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    Posted: December 27 2005 at 4:43pm

Why do dark skin brothers catch so much hell about their hair texture? Although most Africans are dark or brown skin with coarse hair. Here in America it is seen as  "nappy or bad hair". Light skin brothers with the "good hair" are seen a good looking. That's not cool!

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Did you know that most of the African slaves came from Nigeria, Gana, Niger, Senegal, Sierre Leone, and Gambia. All countries on the West coast of Africa. Some came from other African countries but most from the West. Most are dark or brown skin people with coarse hair. That's why I can't understand this hang up with coarse hair. Tell me if you feel me. Please reply. I want to know your thoughts on this matter.
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Dig it. Now days people try so hard to fit in that if you don't act, LOOK, or think like them then they think something's wrong with you.

I give props to all BLACK MEN/men of color for having enough faith to be different. This is what makes a true leader.

We been through hell and still going through it right now.

Discrimination against Black men is very high in the US.

Have yall been peepin all these Brothers getting put in jailed, put down, degraded, and even dissed by our own sister's. They saying we sorry, we gay, we DL brothers, we given them AIDS, we don't want to work when they know that women are more accepted in corporate America than Black men.  It's a sad state of affairs!

It's getting hard for a brother to keep his head up.

But like TUPAK said "You gotta keep your head up"

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We catch that rep bc we repeatedly do it. The fact that we are so different & that we've been put through hell we are suppose to do better in the black womans eyes. Then you also have to look at what society gives us. In their eyes were suppose 2 fail. Drugs are being pumped through our hoods at an alarming rate & and young black males aren't given the same opportunity as others. Which is why we become drug dealers or rappers. It's seen as the only way to come up, and when they do get some kind of money we blow it on stuff that doesnt matter such as huge rims and lots of jewlery. Which is why you dont hear of many black billionaires. The other issues every nationality does but since homosexuality is frowned upon in the black community those males resort to DL brothers. The aids issue is ignorance on both parts and you cant blame just men for that. Just a lil knowledge from a youngn's pov.

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its because of our socialization. the whole colour thing is even worse here in the caribbean. especially i countries in jamaica that are so racially segmented. It stems from a racial-Economic conditioning. Those with lighter skin are Closer to white and are  assumed to be closer to  white people economically. In the caribbean where i live you could be UGLY  , but once you have light skin curly hair  and maybe green eyes  people will think you are an ADONIS.

 

They also assume all light skin people have more money than their darker counterparts

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Well since we are on the topic and you are guy can you explain to me why men with "kinky" hair put down and degrade women who choose to wear their natural texture hair? Didn't happen to me personally, but Iknow plenty of girls that it has happened to?  Recently, on a D.L. Hughley's show he was going off on how African American women need to practice straightening with "really, really hot combs" (his words not mine). Now look at D. L. Hughleys hair who has a short fro worn in twists,had white people and black people laughing and clapping about it. Tell me that he has the right to say such things when his hair is the same. Is he showing his insecurities and brainwashed  and putting it on others.
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 I think its because light is seemed to be look better

and "good hair" is what u wil basically need for most of the stlyes

like waves softer hair lays down earier deeper waves

curls..your hair will curl naturally

i guess when people have to work extra hard with those styles they assume there hairs bad
waveing is mental a barrier u must over come

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They make fun of stuff like that go cover us their own insecurities. I've seen DL's hair and that nigga aint nobody 2 be talkin.
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Originally posted by allenglishboy allenglishboy wrote:

its because of our socialization. the whole colour thing is even worse here in the caribbean. especially i countries in jamaica that are so racially segmented. It stems from a racial-Economic conditioning. Those with lighter skin are Closer to white and are  assumed to be closer to  white people economically. In the caribbean where i live you could be UGLY  , but once you have light skin curly hair  and maybe green eyes  people will think you are an ADONIS.

 

They also assume all light skin people have more money than their darker counterparts

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IMO, a lot of this thinking has to do with the way society views "beauty"... basically if you don't have European features like light skin, wavy/curly texture hair, etc. you are on the other end of the spectrum---the not so good-looking end--which is totally STUPID!!. Beauty comes in all colors and hair types ...from the lightest to the darkest brown; straight to kinky/curly! My problem is that we as the Black race feed too much into this type of thinking!! And honestly, we judge each other the harshest. More value is placed on a person the lighter the skin or "better" the hair!? WTF? This stems back from slavery days (house vs. field n**ga mentality), those days are no longer and we need to let it go. AND the worse of this comes from our own brothas & sistas! It's a damn shame..really!
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Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

Why do dark skin brothers catch so much hell about their hair texture? Although most Africans are dark or brown skin with coarse hair. Here in America it is seen as  "nappy or bad hair". Light skin brothers with the "good hair" are seen a good looking. That's not cool!

hey BiggMike, not all light skin brothers and sisters have "good hair". trust me, i'm light and my hair is nappy. i use to get beatings to comb my hair when i was a child. but i see you posted this thread a while ago so i know you the answer to your question.

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Originally posted by P Street P Street wrote:

Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

Why do dark skin brothers catch so much hell about their hair texture? Although most Africans are dark or brown skin with coarse hair. Here in America it is seen as  "nappy or bad hair". Light skin brothers with the "good hair" are seen a good looking. That's not cool!

hey BiggMike, not all light skin brothers and sisters have "good hair". trust me, i'm light and my hair is nappy. i use to get beatings to comb my hair when i was a child. but i see you posted this thread a while ago so i know you the answer to your question.

correction. you just posted this. i thought i read the month of march there.

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Yea you are right, not all light skin people have "Good Hair". But remember we are talking about negative stereotypes.

There are plenty dark skin brother with "Good hair" but they are socialized to believe that it is bad hair. This is because of negative stereotypes that we see in the media and in society.

 



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 This is a Report Written by China Carter on 4-28-98 http://lilt.ilstu.edu/jhreid/theblack.htm


 

Black Representation of Whiteness

When one thinks of racial differences, one usually thinks of the tension between blacks and whites. When one thinks of stereotypes regarding the black and white issue, ones thoughts are focused on white's perception of blackness. According to Bell Hooks, in her article "Representing Whiteness" few people apart from the black race understand or are even aware of blacks' perceptions, views or stereotypes of the white race. This is primarily due to the white racist idea that all "Others" see whites as whites see themselves.

Looking back hundreds of years, when blacks were enslaved to whites, blacks formed their perceptions and stereotypes of whites but were never allowed to publicly speak them. Whites assumed that their belief about themselves could be forced onto the blacks. However, the blacks were quietly and suspiciously observing them to get a better understanding of whites. Blacks viewed them as ghosts, mysterious, terrorizing, terrible, and strange barbarians. Today, many of these beliefs still penetrate the black mindset. When whites learn of the black perception of them, they are shocked or angered because blacks have placed them as the object of their gaze. Whites are used to being the "subject" and can become upset when they realize that blacks are critical of them. This act in itself is an "expression of racism".

One of the reasons why whites are not fully aware of the black perception of them is that blacks have been overlooked. One form of white oppression is black "invisibility". Black slaves were not allowed to speak back or make eye contact with whites. They were reduced to mere hands that served the meals or machines that did the chores. Blacks allowed whites to reduce them into invisible objects for their own preservation. Making eye contact suggested equality and was regarded as such a forward action that it could cause blacks to be punished. Slavery has long since been abolished yet, the concept of invisibility still lingers. In the media blacks are not equally portrayed. One can read a magazine or watch a television show and not see any blacks. Whites do not have a need to see them because they are in power. They do not have to constantly look to see what blacks are doing in society. Therefore, some whites believe that just as blacks are invisible, they too are invisible to the black imagination. As quoted from Hooks:

"In the white supremacist society, white people can safely imagine that they are invisible to black people since the power they have historically asserted and even now collectively assert over black people accorded them the right to control the black gaze."(p. 340)

Whites still use vocabulary that associates white with goodness and purity while black connotes danger and evil. (Although one must point out that light can be dangerous when trying to hide. Darkness would be a safer environment.) "White stereotypes of blackness [are ] a trickle-down process, where there is the projection onto an Other of all that we deny about ourselves." (p. 341) They have been socialized to believe that blacks associate the same positive feelings with words that connote white. In reality, most blacks feel threatened and terrorized by whiteness and the hurt that it represents. It is with these feelings combined with observations that white stereotypes emerge among blacks. These stereotypes are not only the black imaginations representation of whiteness, but they are also created as a reaction to black stereotypes from whites. Stereotypes are simply one way of representing the Other. Although they are not completely truthful representations, they often are the substitutes for what is real. They make the image of the Other seem less intimidating. Hooks says that even when she tries to look past stereotypes, she still feels a terror while being in the presence of some whites. She recounts the stories of other blacks who have also experienced this feeling from whites. Whiteness often represents terror in the black imagination.

Hooks believes that one of the methods of deconstructing the black discourse on whiteness is "traveling". Traveling back into ones past and rediscovering ones history can help break down white reification. Reification is the process by which the Dominant changes the Subordinate into a passive object that is not able to make any conscious judgments or gaze back at the Dominant. This way of remembering ones past can generate a positive self-representation. One can face one's fears until the terror of whiteness fades. Looking back at ones past will also help take off the blinders to appropriately see whites. This method is needed for those blacks who have forgotten who they are and think that racism has disappeared.

Many whites also feel that racism has faded away. In todays society racism is masked by the ideals of "pluralism" and "diversity". Many blacks still feel the terror the whites impress upon them. Yet, when they try to express their thoughts and feelings, whites accused them of reverse racism. More than that, they are accused oftrying to appear to be a victim to receive special treatment. Racism still exists and is flourishing under a disguise of equality.

Hooks concludes her article by telling another story about how she was terrorized by whites at a progressive conference. However, she met a black woman and a white man who understood how she felt. They had encouraged her. Gayatri Spivak talks about the possibilities of eradicating racism by having the Dominant de-homogenize their position of power and "learn how to occupy the subject position of the other."(p. 346) She states that if whites would do this, then racism would be deconstructed. The black imagination would not associate whiteness with terror. "Without the capacity to inspire terror, whiteness no longer signifies the right to dominate." (p. 346) According to Hooks, this is what must first be achieved before we can "decolonize our minds and our imaginations."(p. 346)

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I have had a very hard time in my life just being a 6'4, 250 pound Black MAN. People take one look at me and stereotype me. 

They don't know that I am college educated.

They don't know that I'm on the Deans list at my University.

They don't know that I am in the National Honor Society.

They don't know that I have always had a job since I was 13 years old.

They don't know that I am very spiritally connected to God. They don't know that I respect nature.

They don't know that I respect all foreign cultures and races.

However,...........I'm not Eurocentric. I have African American Pride, is there anything wrong with that?

Americans naturally want to put some one in a box and label them. If they can't label you, they reject you completely by employment discrimination, GENDER discrimination, and racial discrimination, and overall, Emasculation of males. I had one white woman tell me to shut up in one of my sociology classes. We were having an open discussion of race and gender issues. I spoke of how Black MEN are constantly marginalized  and our women are put on this high platto above us. The woman became very angry with me for telling the truth. She said Black men make more money and have more employment oppurtunities than Black women. I looked at her like she was retarded. How can she believe this when most of the Black men are going to jail, becoming homosexual because of emascalation, going crazy, being rejected from society and White corporate America, can't find a job with their college degrees, and their own women degrading them every chance they get in media.

I know how this why white woman could believe I was wrong. Could it be that she is not living in America as a Black MAN? Could it be that a White woman is the last person in America to really understand what No Freedom is?

Why would a white woman get angry with me for saying this? Is it because she was guilty of it or just did not want to hear the truth? Not all white people are racist, and not all racist are White men, but some are white women. Let the truth be told, it hurts but it's true. White men get black for many racist things, but they are not alone.

I had to say this because I was really hurt by this White woman who told me to shut up when I voiced my point of view about MY own RACE.

Think about the topic of this conversation....... Dark Skin Brothers



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Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

I have had a very hard time in my life just being a 6'4, 250 pound Black MAN. People take one look at me and stereotype me. 

They don't know that I am college educated.

They don't know that I'm on the Deans list at my University.

They don't know that I am in the National Honor Society.

They don't know that I have always had a job since I was 13 years old.

They don't know that I am very spiritally connected to God. They don't know that I respect nature.

They don't know that I respect all foreign cultures and races.

However,...........I'm not Eurocentric. I have African American Pride, is there anything wrong with that?

Americans naturally want to put some one in a box and label them. If they can't label you, they reject you completely by employment discrimination, GENDER discrimination, and racial discrimination, and overall, Emasculation of males. I had one white woman tell me to shut up in one of my sociology classes. We were having an open discussion of race and gender issues. I spoke of how Black MEN are constantly marginalized  and our women are put on this high platto above us. The woman became very angry with me for telling the truth. She said Black men make more money and have more employment oppurtunities than Black women. I looked at her like she was retarded. How can she believe this when most of the Black men are going to jail, becoming homosexual because of emascalation, going crazy, being rejected from society and White corporate America, can't find a job with their college degrees, and their own women degrading them every chance they get in media.

I know how this why white woman could believe I was wrong. Could it be that she is not living in America as a Black MAN? Could it be that a White woman is the last person in America to really understand what No Freedom is?

Why would a white woman get angry with me for saying this? Is it because she was guilty of it or just did not want to hear the truth? Not all white people are racist, and not all racist are White men, but some are white women. Let the truth be told, it hurts but it's true. White men get black for many racist things, but they are not alone.

I had to say this because I was really hurt by this White woman who told me to shut up when I voiced my point of view about MY own RACE.

Think about the topic of this conversation....... Dark Skin Brothers



ahhh real talk I like your big vocab i'll be using them in my writting
waveing is mental a barrier u must over come

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Vocabulary?

What about the topic?

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lol

I kind of get what the topic is about
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lol smh Big vocab? U have to enlighten yourself brotha

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Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

I have had a very hard time in my life just being a 6'4, 250 pound Black MAN. People take one look at me and stereotype me. 

They don't know that I am college educated.

They don't know that I'm on the Deans list at my University.

They don't know that I am in the National Honor Society.

They don't know that I have always had a job since I was 13 years old.

They don't know that I am very spiritally connected to God. They don't know that I respect nature.

They don't know that I respect all foreign cultures and races.

However,...........I'm not Eurocentric. I have African American Pride, is there anything wrong with that?

Ohhh, Bigg MIke I'm think I'm in luvvvvv  You sound like a dream and definitely a "role model" of sorts to some of our African American brothas.

On the real, I sooo feel you on the stereotype thing. My husband is a dark chocolate, 6'2 and 200lbs and he also wears his hair shaved. Sometimes I'm amazed at the "looks" he gets when we're out. Little old white ladies wanting to "clutch their purse" ya know. Its sad but true that black men are judged on appearance w/o people getting to know who they really are. He's a college educated professional, church going, loving father, devoted husband and GREAT provider for his family.

Push on my brotha. And don't be discouraged by people like the white woman in your class. People fear what they don't understand and take offense at the truth.

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