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I am only 10-15% grey...Can I use Colorance if I am not completely grey?
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In all honesty I would just use a permanent tint with 20 vol in a 7N that will cover your grey. If you want a translucent look that will deposit only enough to blend the greys go with a colorance.
I am totally lost about the red tones now as greys/whites have no pigment as Claude mentions above.  
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There are no red tones in gray hair? Now your confusing me. You made mention you wanted to eliminate red tones in your haircolor. Gray hair is unpigmented hair....there is no pigment in gray hair. You can't use Colorance to color gray hair it's a demi permanent color which means it will only blend gray not cover it.
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I will have to agree to disagree with you on this one in my 22 years of hairdressing I found P-Mix to tone down red /brassy 99% better & cooler than ash ever has seems I am not alone .

http://www.behindthechairjobs.com/forum/displaythread.aspx?DID=2166

http://www.goldwellusa.com/products/haircolor/_images/Topchic%20Haircolor_2005.pdf


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No..7 is my natural color...I'm just dying it to cover grey.

I will try Colorance. 
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Pearl will not eliminate red tones in your hair. Pearl is violet based color that is sometimes used to neutralize gold tones on blonde hair.

With Goldwell you should use their Colorance Demi Permanent line of color and mix a Ash Series and Gold Series in equal parts to get a green base. That will neutralize red tones. The mixing ratio for Colorance is 2 parts developer to 1 part color.

So when mixing you would use 20 mls or Developer and 10 mls of color....5 mls Ash & 5 mls Gold if you want a green base.

Make sure it's Colorance and not Colorance Plus or Colorance Soft Color. You want the regular Colorance color. Mix 7G & 7A and try a test strand. As for you getting back your original color I can't see your hair so I can't help you there. Is your natural color lighter or darker than the previously colored hair? If it's darker then yes perhaps if it's lighter then it would need to lightened via bleach then recolored because putting more color over previously colored hair will not lighten the hair. It's one of the fundamental laws of color.


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Green & Blue both neutralise underlying red pigment :) I prefer Pearl it's softer more smoky looking.

Sounds as if you like ash so try a 7Ash & if there is not enough ash you will at least know to get a Ash or Pearl Mix & add more to a 7N .


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But do you think that green base would neutralize my underlying red pigment?

I am not that grey...10 % maybe...

Can you explain to me if I for example want to neutralize red with green...Do I use only for example 7A or I mix 7A with 7N and in what percent?

If that with green base doesn't work out I will try pearl.
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This is my all time fave article from William here at The Hair Boutique explains hair colouring to perfection.

To answer the question I used to mix 20grams of tint I used 10N blonde to 2cms of Pearl mix I found the 10P to be too blue the 10 lightened my greys to a blonde but the P-Mix gave a subtle hue of blue gold hard to explain but it looked very pretty as you are with a level 7N the pearl Mix may add more depth to your greys.

http://www.hairboutique.com/tips/tip095.htm
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I've found on this topic that goldwell ash is blue based...and blue counters orange right? Since I have red tones should I use ash with green based tones as neutralizer for my red pigment? And do you know which companies produce green based ash?

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Do you mix pearl color with for example 7N or put it by itself? And if you mix it what ratio you use? Also will pearl cover up my grey?

Thank you


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angel84 I would try a pearl instead of ash my hair is a level 7 too & has a huge amount of red underlying, when I was tinting I used a pearl as the ash would always see some reddish coming through but not with the pearl ,   using a low level peroxide will help too unless you want a lift or two than the red will show even more.

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Hello everyone!

Can someone please give me advice about what color (mixture of colors) should I use to solve my problem? Here is the thing :

My natural color is medium blonde (7) ... Few years ago I started going grey so I decided to dye my hair to my natural colour. I bought Goldwell 7N and dyed my hair and I taught it worked fine but on daylight my hair wasn't medium blonde but it had some red tones in it. I guess I have underlying red pigment. So then, I dyed my hair with 7NA Goldwell hair day and my hair also on daylight had some red tones in it. Then I did stupid mistake and dyed my hair in  Goldwell 7A ( I though ash will kill red tones) but my hair was more reddish than ever...

Now I really don't know what should I do, and any advice would be highly appreciated!

Thank you!
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Thank you PerfectBrunette Smile  I was very nervous about doing them, as I had not used the cap before.  I had only used Loreal Experte where you get that mascara type brush to use, which is ok, but I tended to get some colour on the hair underneath the highlights.
I found this a much neater finish!
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I think it looks beautiful Jo! Nice job. I've never seen at home highlights turn out so well.
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Hi, thanks Miffny, yes it certainly is a better colour than it was last week.

I might give the blondor a try next time....what would you recommend?  They do the powder bleach and developer, they also do granules, and the WELLA BLONDOR LIGHTENING SYSTEM  which says it can lighten up to 5 levels (is that enough) cox contains 1 tube hair colour base and 2 sachets of booster powder (do I still need developer).  I want to achieve creamy/white highlights
 
Anyone with experience of the blondor range care to advise? Smile
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Wella Blondor Bleach or any professional bleach would most likely have made the highlights very pale blonde to white in 30 minutes maybe longer depending on what colour your hair was to start with.Some OTC bleaches are not bad.

I think the darker ends look beautiful , the overall colour is very pretty I would be happy with it if I were you Smile


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Well, I have just done some highlights with B Blonde (just a few around the front and top as you can see in pic).  I had to leave it on for 85 minutes (almost max time), hair ok condition. 
 It's only a shop bought one, so not sure if something like Wella Blondor would work any better or quicker.
 
 
The highlights have turned out ok.  They have lightened the overall appearance of my hair because I have more at front and its toned down the brassy tone that were from the previous highlights I had done.  I actually quite like the darker very light brown colour at the bottom now LOL
 
I found the highlighting cap easy to use.   I probably would have liked a few more and maybe a touch lighter, but was worried how they would turn out so played it safe.
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I know what you mean Big%20smile and the thing is we just presume people know what we are talking about LOL  Everyone seems so much closer when your typing away on your pc .....you do forget that your having discussions with people all over the world!!

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