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Topic: HBCU
Posted By: baller05
Subject: HBCU
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 10:09pm
Lets talk about the good and bad reason to go to a HBCU(Historically BLack College)..........

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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: December 30 2005 at 11:17am

Great topic!!!

I went to a mostly white university in Oklahoma, OSU Cowboys.

Let me tell you, it went through culture shock. I was forced to figure out a way to fit into a system that was not designed for me. It was very hard on me because I grew up in majority minority community. So I guess we are really talking about segregation and desegregation.

Pros:

1. I learned to be around many different cultures and adapt to them.

2. I made some real good friends with people of other race, cultures, and different countries.

3. I learned how the outside world is and how it views me as an African American MAN.

Cons:

1. I never could fit in because I had to conform to other peoples culture and they never had to conform to mine.

2. I missed out on all the African American culture that is so strong as HBCU's.

3. I know that I would have learned more and advanced my education more if I had went to a HBCU.

 

 



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: December 30 2005 at 11:27am

Many older Black people say that Black people were stronger and more united when we were segregated. They say we owned more land, owned more homes, owned more business, Blacks married more and stayed married, and we all took care of each other better than we do today. This was all because we lived in the same communities isolated from negative outside cultures that lowered ourself worth.

 

Should this be applied to HBCU's? I think so.

I think it's better for us in many ways. Remember, White people attend Historically White Universities.

Most of the Universities in America are Historically White Universities. Maybe that's why they have a strong pride and many African Americans don't.



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Posted By: THECHOSEN1
Date Posted: January 01 2006 at 6:10pm
^^ Yea i dont know if i should go to a more black or white college

most black colleges dont offer alot

but colleges eith more white people have better oppurtinies like in florida they have there own bus system,hospital and other things and this was msotly white

while the black college was a little smaller and notmanny magors


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Posted By: baller05
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 11:13am
^^not true

i got to FAMU and we share the everything with FSU..the only prob is most of the stores and resturants are on FSU side of town cuz they have a 3 to 1 ration on our campus


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Posted By: lilkeke918
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 8:04pm
See thats the problem sharing, and been 2 some of the HBCU's and they are not very clean. Also many dont offer good majors 

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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:06am

THECHOSEN1, lilkeke918 you two guys are far away from the truth. HBCU's do offer a variety of majors. Why do so called "Black Men" attack everything that is Black.

This is clear evidence of self hatred and oppression. When racism is so high that the oppressed refuse to see anything but negative qualities in Black institutions.

The higher the racism is, the higher self hatred is.

Plus age is a major factor in making choices in life. If you have not been born long enough to experience life as OLDER people have, it is best not to rush into anything BLIND.

Me, I've attended OSU, Texas Tech, and UNT and I can tell you from my 33 years in America, that HBCU's offer more for Black MEN. White U's teach SELF HATRED and division of the Black family. I know because I have taken 4000 and 5000 level classes at White U's and they teach Black women a white elitist mentality and encourage them to degrade Black MEN.

So if you are into HATING ON YOUR ON PEOPLE , keep thinking White Universities are better.



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:22am

What Universities have you attended?

Not grade school or high school. I'm talking the big U.



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Look to the skies and keep your eyes on the prize! I been through Hell but, STILL I RISE!


Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:25am

Support the HBCU's, support people who attend HBCU's.

Support YOUR OWN PEOPLE, please. Slaves where set free many moons ago so why can't we get rid of the Houses amoung us.



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:27am

Baller05, I support YOU 100%. Do your thang MAN cause I'm gonna keep doing mine until OUR PEOPLE WAKE UP OUT THIS SELF HATRED MENTALITY.

 



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:29am

Originally posted by THECHOSEN1 THECHOSEN1 wrote:

^^ Yea i dont know if i should go to a more black or white college

most black colleges dont offer alot

but colleges eith more white people have better oppurtinies like in florida they have there own bus system,hospital and other things and this was msotly white

while the black college was a little smaller and notmanny magors

Playa, White U's can afford bus systems and hospitals because WHITE PEOPLE SUPPORT THEIR OWN UNIVERSITIES UNLIKE some BLACK PEOPLE.



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Look to the skies and keep your eyes on the prize! I been through Hell but, STILL I RISE!


Posted By: THECHOSEN1
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by baller05 baller05 wrote:

^^not true

i got to FAMU and we share the everything with FSU..the only prob is most of the stores and resturants are on FSU side of town cuz they have a 3 to 1 ration on our campus


yea I know i went on many college tours so i basically went to all colleges in florida....imo i like fsu better

FAMU has a big track though its been there for a long time just keeps getting bigger and bigger


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Posted By: THECHOSEN1
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

THECHOSEN1, lilkeke918 you two guys are far away from the truth. HBCU's do offer a variety of majors. Why do so called "Black Men" attack everything that is Black.

This is clear evidence of self hatred and oppression. When racism is so high that the oppressed refuse to see anything but negative qualities in Black institutions.

The higher the racism is, the higher self hatred is.

Plus age is a major factor in making choices in life. If you have not been born long enough to experience life as OLDER people have, it is best not to rush into anything BLIND.

Me, I've attended OSU, Texas Tech, and UNT and I can tell you from my 33 years in America, that HBCU's offer more for Black MEN. White U's teach SELF HATRED and division of the Black family. I know because I have taken 4000 and 5000 level classes at White U's and they teach Black women a white elitist mentality and encourage them to degrade Black MEN.

So if you are into HATING ON YOUR ON PEOPLE , keep thinking White Universities are better.



just from what ive seen


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Posted By: THECHOSEN1
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

Originally posted by THECHOSEN1 THECHOSEN1 wrote:

^^ Yea i dont know if i should go to a more black or white college

most black colleges dont offer alot

but colleges eith more white people have better oppurtinies like in florida they have there own bus system,hospital and other things and this was msotly white

while the black college was a little smaller and notmanny magors

Playa, White U's can afford bus systems and hospitals because WHITE PEOPLE SUPPORT THEIR OWN UNIVERSITIES UNLIKE some BLACK PEOPLE.



alright


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Posted By: Sistaslick
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 9:27pm

I am a stickler for ratings.  I don't think white universities are better per se, but they do tend to be more selective in their criteria for students who fill their seats.  HBCU's tend to have very lax entrance requirements and anyone can pretty much enroll.  That offends me.  I never understood this.  What are they trying to say to us?  That the requirements don't need to be as high for us at these schools b/c most of us won't and aren't expected to do so well?  Sadly,that is why people don't take these schools as seriously as others. 

I will say that I attended a summer research program at Southern University in Baton Rouge and I was shocked.  The physics and chemistry department there were actually AMAZING.  The program was an attempt to attract us to the school, but the stigmas and other factors that surrounded the whole HBCU thing were too great.  People don't see the awesome physics department.  They see these schools as party schools where black people hang out and are handed a roll of paper in 4 years.  None of the students I did research with attended HBCU's in the long run.  Neither did I.

I just have this fear that when jobs see these schools on an applicant's resume-- they don't regard them as highly as other schools.  I think if the schools would higher their standards they would be able to compete better and attract the black students who are turned off by the "party image."  I know they will lose a good number of students, but the quality will improve. 

At the end of the day, I just want to know that I am  sitting next to people who worked as hard as I did to get there . . . regardless of color.  Not someone who slept through HS and managed to fill out an application between winks.  There are only a couple of HBCU's I'd consider going to-- the way the system is set up now.

Why can't they step up their game?



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Posted By: cmesweet
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 5:12am

I don't see any evidence here that implies that people are posting or displaying "Self-Hatred" just because he or she do not support HBCU. Everyone is intitled to their own choice and it can be a cultural shock to African Americans to attend "Black Colleges" as well as "White Universities". Many of the people I know, that attended an HBCU returned within the same year, it was not for them and I'm sure what they expected was not there.  One of the reasons  was because they were trying to fit-in...for example, someone in the wave forum posted a while ago that he own horses and attend a private school...that same person was called "trying to be white." That was an extreme example, but it happens. Now I choose to go to a school in my state, which has a great reputation and is highly ranked in the country considering my Major...that was mine reason, just as others have their own.

It's great that you post and bring questions to the table. However, there is no reason to think someone is showing self hatred because he or she do not agree with attending HBC.



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Posted By: THECHOSEN1
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by Sistaslick Sistaslick wrote:


 HBCU's tend to have very lax entrance requirements and anyone can pretty much enroll.
 Sadly,that is why people don't take these schools as seriously as others. 

 


this is why i assumed that @ BIGGMIKE



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Posted By: lilkeke918
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 5:50pm
Yes granted some HBCU's offer some good choices. Your constant Black nationalism blinds you to the best choice. Hell I would go out of the country if I felt the college was the best choice for me. The original HBCU's were made for black people to learn a trade. To become better "house niggers". They had classes for Blacks to learn how to be a butler, maid, or some other career choice white people did not want to do.

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Posted By: baller05
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 9:08pm
go to HBCU...u learn more about ur race n history.....i wask thinking bout trasnfering to FSU untill i learned how hard the founders of FAMU had to go threw to make me (black males) be able to go to college and succeed in this world

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Posted By: cmesweet
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 4:33am

Baller its great that you found a college that you are interested in.  It is not just HBCU colleges that people fought to get into.  When Michigan State University began to intergrate, black people were not allowed to reside on the campus. However, they found support systems through creating organizations and such. I am very proud of my school because someone fought for me to be there, to get an education and live on the campus grounds. Because my school is not specifically HBCU does not make it less credible TO ME.

However, many schools supply African American history. My family raised me to know about "our history." The best history lesson comes from those who lived it...family members( parents/grand parents) and family friends. I learned more history through this and reading, researching and listening to speakers.  There is alot of unknown history, but you can find it...it's not hard.

If you find a school that specializes and offers you challenges that you need for your field, then I say go for it. Whatever you feel comfortable with.



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

Many older Black people say that Black people were stronger and more united when we were segregated. They say we owned more land, owned more homes, owned more business, Blacks married more and stayed married, and we all took care of each other better than we do today. This was all because we lived in the same communities isolated from negative outside cultures that lowered ourself worth.

 

Should this be applied to HBCU's? I think so.

I think it's better for us in many ways. Remember, White people attend Historically White Universities.

Most of the Universities in America are Historically White Universities. Maybe that's why they have a strong pride and many African Americans don't.

White schools party just as much as Black schools.



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Posted By: lilkeke918
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 9:18pm

I'm sorry you feel that way MIKE.. If you allow yourself to be isolated into small areas you are only making white people happier. Less of a threat. Why should we go along with this?

This is the hispanics problem now you see less of them going to school and more of them doing grunt work. Is this what your preaching to your kids? Do you want them to live this same way?



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Posted By: Sistaslick
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 10:08am
Originally posted by lilkeke918 lilkeke918 wrote:

I'm sorry you feel that way MIKE.. If you allow yourself to be isolated into small areas you are only making white people happier. Less of a threat. Why should we go along with this?

This is the hispanics problem now you see less of them going to school and more of them doing grunt work. Is this what your preaching to your kids? Do you want them to live this same way?

 

ITA with lilkeke.  Your whole post was on point.  The hispanics thing is true as well... there is less of them on America's university campuses and more of them doing "grunt" work... but the one good thing I can say is that their families stick together in spite of this somehow.  Which is really making me wonder, where are we falling so short?  I think I know what my friend BiggMike is going to say on that But I mean is it that both parents can't be educated without the family unit falling apart and disintergrating?  I know that can't be the case.  What is really the deal?  Does being super-successful mean that you can't truly put family first?

 



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Posted By: lilkeke918
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 12:23pm

From the looks of it exactly. Families do better where males are in the bare foot and pregant state of mind. How can you constantly want to advance your people when you want to live this way?

Out of sight out of mind if you keep up this way of thinking we'll all end up like the main character in invisible man. You see what happened to him and he even went to a HBCU



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by Sistaslick Sistaslick wrote:

ITA with lilkeke.  Your whole post was on point.  The hispanics thing is true as well... there is less of them on America's university campuses and more of them doing "grunt" work... but the one good thing I can say is that their families stick together in spite of this somehow.  Which is really making me wonder, where are we falling so short?  I think I know what my friend BiggMike is going to say on that But I mean is it that both parents can't be educated without the family unit falling apart and disintergrating?  I know that can't be the case.  What is really the deal?  Does being super-successful mean that you can't truly put family first?

 



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 1:03pm

THE BREAKING PROCESS OF THE AFRICAN WOMAN Take the female and run a series of tests on her to see if she will submit to you desires willingly. Test her in every way, because she is the most important factor for good economic. If she shows any signs of resistance in submitting completely to your will, do not hesitate to use the bull whip on her to extract that last bit of bitch out of her. Take care not to kill her, for in doing so, you spoil good economics. When in complete submission, she will train her offsprings in the early years to submit to labor when they become of age. Understanding is the best thing. (she will teach her female offsprings to hate the male and she will not submit to him as she should BY NATURE)

Therefore, we shall go deeper into this area of the subject matter concerning what we have produced here in this breaking of the female nigger. We have reversed the relationship. In her natural uncivilized state she would have a strong dependency on the uncivilized nigger male, and she would have a limited protective dependency toward her independent male offspring and would raise female offspring to be dependent like her. Nature had provided for this type of balance. We reversed nature by burning and dependent like her. Nature had provided for this type of balance. We reversed nature by burning and pulling one civilized nigger apart and bull whipping the other to the point of death--all in her presence. By her being left alone, unprotected, with male image destroyed, the ordeal cased her to move from her psychological dependent state to a frozen independent state. In this frozen psychological state of independence she will raise her male and female offspring in reversed roles. For fear of the YOUNG MALE'S life she will psychologically train him to be mentally weak and dependent but physically strong. Because she has become psychologically independent, she will train her female offspring to be psychological independent as well. What have you got? You've got the nigger woman out front and the nigger man behind and scared. This is perfect situation for sound sleep and economics. Before the breaking process, we had to be alert and on guard at all times. Now we can sleep soundly, for out of frozen fear, his woman stand guard for us. He cannot get past her early infant slave molding process. He is good tool, now ready to be tied to the horse at a tender age. By the time a nigger boy reaches the age of sixteen, he is soundly broken in and ready for a long life of sound and efficient work and the reproduction of a unit of good labor force.



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Posted By: BIGGMike
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 1:57pm

Originally posted by BIGGMike BIGGMike wrote:

1. The female is self centered and only thinks of her career

2. In many situations the women is more educated than her husband, she will make more money, have more freedom, follow homosexaul penis envy mentality,

3. Thinks she's bigger than GOD and The Holy Bible. (Bible says MAN is to lead the family, not Woman)

4. Put career, education, and MONEY over family

5. Leave their children in daycare for strangers to raise or molest. Won't even Breast Feed children, too independent to do that.

6. Don't know how to cook(Claim to be so smart but can't pick up a cook book and learn how to cook a HEALTHY MEAL for her husban and children)

7. She works around Man hating lesbians who constantly encourage her to leave her husband (Men don't do this, and homos don't encourage MEN to leave, cause black men don't deal with homo's like Black women do)

8. Brain washed by White Corporate America to Male Bash Black MEN. Taught Self Hatred

9. Spend more time at work than at home with children

10. Brain Washed to stand over a man and eventually drive him away by being Disrespectful(leaving wifey for less combative, less competitive wifey)

11. Black women want to marry up when all the men suffer from employment discrimination by the very white women that they immatate.

Are Black Women “Black?”
Super Sisters often negate family values

By Bud Johnson
African-AmericanNews&Issues


“The general myth is that our women have been unaffected by the sexism of this society at large. Usually, this myth is presented in one of the following forms: Historically, the only free people in America were white men and Black women; Black women are not concerned with women's liberation (because they have no need as they are not affected by the same things which affect white women); Black women can take anything. But, historically speaking, how can the woman who was a slave, who was bought and sold on the auction block, and who suffered all of the indignities--such as flagrant sexual exploitation-- that racist masters heap on female slaves...how can such a woman be thought of as a free woman? Historically, the freedom of African American women is obviously a fraud.” Although Kalamu ya Salaam (founder of Nommo Literary Society, a Black writer’s workshop) made a valiant effort to dispel the foregoing misconception in his treatise, “Debunking Myths,” but un-fortunately his research is lost on a disproportionate number of Black males who’re convinced that even female slaves fared better than their male counterparts. Truth is, it’s widely believed that history challenged Black females negate family values. In addition, there’s a preponderance of historical evidence that supports the long held suspicion that mainstream America conspires to use Black females to emasculate and/or control Black males, through various social Trojan horses as welfare, female oriented educational and training opportunities and even social upward mobility.
African American News & Issues’ Black perspectives notwithstanding, made in America African’s unique slave experience has been studied worldwide. Especially since Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has emerged as the most powerful Black woman in the world. In fact, her relationship with Pres. Bush does, indeed, supports the free White man-Black woman myth. A recent study (“American Demographics and a Sketch of Diversity, Change and Social Conflict”), released by the University of Berlin study, objectively explained the “Super Sister” phenomenon from a historical perspective. “To the extent that African American males have been emasculated by gender-role stereotyping, African American females have been defeminized by gender-role stereotyping. The so-called Black matriarchy has been historically blamed for the deterioration of the Black family. “Because Black women have greater participation in family decision making in a society where male control is the ‘normal rule. Because white stereotyped norms are violated, African American women are seen as being domineering. By virtue of the historical legacy of slavery and discrimination against African American men, African American women were in the labor market, received education, and supported their families.” Denial aside, the fact that Oprah Winfrey is America’s only Black billionaire must be pondered. And surely, there’s also cause to pause and ponder why Sarah Breedlove, who was born on a Delta, Louisiana plantation on Dec. 23, 1867, was the first African American millionaire? For the Black History challenged, Sarah is better known as Madam C. J. Walker. For sure, you remember the Super Sister, who turned Black women’s desire for straight (White women’s) hair into a multi-billion dollar industry. Perish the thought, that we’re bashing industrious, entrepreneurial Super Sisters, although Black males throughout “Sportsdom” were buzzing when they learned that BET co-founder Sheila Johnson became part owner of the Washington Mystics on May 24, 2005. Sheila, Bob Johnson’s former wife, is the first Black female to own part of a professional sports franchise (She also shares Bob’s NHL Washington Capitals and NBA Wizards stock.) Brothers, however, may accuse Super Sisters of being out of touch with reality (when they fail to factor in institutionalized racist), after reading an article (“Super Single Sisters of 2002-African American Women”), in the July 2002 edition of Ebony. “From a psychiatrist to a soccer player to Rudy Huxtable, these 24 sensational Sisters are making Brothers' heads turn in all directions. They are the cream of the crop, and Brothers better come correct, if they hope to have a chance,” the article propagates without invalidation. “They are doctors and lawyers and sports stars, women looking for men who can fulfill them emotionally, intellectually and spiritually. From Coach Stephanie Ready to nuclear pharmacist Dr. Ella Armstrong to news anchor Regina Carswell to Phoenix Mercury star forward Lisa Harrison, these women are strong, self-sufficient and sexy. Despite their independence, they all admit they'd like someone to share their life with, (they would if Black men were not held back) someone just as ambitious and assertive as they are, and someone who can handle dating a successful Black woman. “To appeal to one of these Sisters, a Brother must have more than smooth lines and a handsome face. ‘There are a lot of attractive people out there,’ says actress Keshia Knight Pulliam, ‘but not a lot who have their own goals, their own determination.” Conversely, those who buy into that popular misconception don’t consider Super Sisters like Johnson, who divorced a very successful Brother. Or Oprah, who has played games with Stedman Graham for years? In essence, many “together Brothers,” conclude that ego-tripping Sisters have been miseducated to embrace White, elitist values, sans a descendent of slave’s perspective. Thus, to paraphrase the Holy Bible, as people think, so are they. Need we answer the question, “Are Black Women ‘Black?”


 



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