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Topic: MICRO STITCH (DOTS)
Posted By: BeachBunny
Subject: MICRO STITCH (DOTS)
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 8:50pm
Hello All,
 
I have been wearing great lengths extensions for more than 6 years now. I used to love this system but the camouflaging in the back of my head always made me self conscious. Not to go into details, I dye my hair and so the back of my head always has breakage and so it doesnt always blend in with my longer extensions.
 
I have been looking for something seamless ( which according to many extensionists in NYC  is impossible to find), until i saw somehting called hair on hair extensions ( supposed to take  days) some professionals claim to offer the service ( at a hefty price) but when you approach them they try to sell you a different system and discourage you from doing the hair on hair ( so its a wonder if they even know how to do it...)
 
Finally i came accross DONCOSAimages.com which offers MICRODOTS, its usually used for poeple who are bolding and tricho...something ( sorry not sure what the correct name is).
I dont have either of the conditions I dont have balding issues I just want long even layers and I dont want to see my little chunks of hair on top .
Seems like the perfect solution, looks like a spiderweb with beautiful hair attached to it which they sew in with a hair like thread and voila.
Supposedly indetectable to the eye or the touch. I must admit sounds a whole lot better than great lengths ( personally im sick of having this plasticy bonds in my hair, no matter how thin my stylist makes them).
 
I just put a huge deposit on the micropoints ( some other salon calls it blending ) and I wanted to know if anyone has had it done and if they are happy with it.
 
The initial price is very expensive for a full head, but it promises possibilities other extensions cannot ( putting your hair up, create invisible bangs etc...) this is supposedly what many celebs wear ( many of them are ethnic beauties, I however am caucasian .
 
any feedback on those???
 
im getting this done in 2 days, im very excited to get my Great lengths taken out ( i havent been without them for over 6 years) and I think i have come to my wit ends with them... im sick and tired of worrying about them being visible or my husband or daughters playing with  and touching my hair and saying how yucky it feels to touch  foreign objects on my scalp)
 
so initially very expensive but they can last for 3 years and maintenance is every 6 weeks ( $125)
 
it also allows me not to color my hair since its on the scalp it camouflages the roots and i probably wont have to blow dry it straight either since the hair is straight russian hair.
 
I appreciate any comments good or bad ... just testing unknown waters and hoping for some clarity from all of you wise members.
 
Thanks
 
BeachBunny Star



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Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 10:46am

I have heard of this company and basically they just anchor a hair integration piece on your head.  Some people complained that it hurt at the attachments that are anchored.



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Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 1:15pm
Please keep us updated on the micropoints. I was interested in this type of application as well before I got hooked on pinchbraids. There was a gal on this board that does them in Pennsylvania. ( too far from me) Her name is Charlene and the company was called CyberMane or CyberHair. The micropoints-- are they not little tiny silver bead type shells? I had read they attach like 5 or 6 hairs to each one.
Please give us updates on how it goes!


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 1:51pm
I think i induced you in error. Charlene does micropoints ( tiny little metal balls) she does that in cyberhair ( but that hair is synthetic and it only exists in 18" inches max)
 
The microdots are micro mini dots, they swore to me that it doesnt hurt. I think the poeple who complained might have been talking about hair blend or micro blends ( someone in Englewood NJ does that and there was some controversy about them so I never ended up calling them).
I am a bit reassured by the fact that microdots are used on poeple with scalp issues and health conditions causing hairloss or hair pulling, so I am assuming it was created with the idea of being comfortable and painless.
 
I hope i like it and its natural ( the price is exhorbitant) but i really hope it will relief me of my hair traumas.
 
I will let you know once its done: tomorrow night. and will try to post pictures if I can figure out how to get close enough to my scalp to show you what it looks like and get opinions on wether you can see it or not.
 
BeachBunny


Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 1:57pm
Thanks for clarifying! Good luck with it...can't wait to see pics or at least hear how you like it!


Posted By: luvhair
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 3:20pm
The microdots sound nice.    I just wanted to post here and  let you know that there IS a seamless hair extension method (I do it for MANY clients)  where you attach hair with a cold fusion method .    The hair is produced as a weft but there is absolutely no bulk at the top near your scalp because the hair is held together by a very thin (usually polymer) base so the hair looks like it is growing from your scalp (I have it in my front bang area and on top because my hair is thinning and you can see any other extension method right through my hair up there .    Of course, because it is attached to your hair,  it needs to be removed and reapplied every so often but the hair can be reused.        


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 3:48pm
BeachBunny, thanks for explaining the system you're getting. I've never heard of it but it sounds really good. Please keep us posted!!

LuvHair, your system sounds interesting too. Can you post pictures?


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 5:44pm

I would love to see pictures of your system too luvhair especially the bang area. thanks for all the encouragement ya all ! Im so happy i found this forum.

I should have my iphone with me tomorrow, so I can update you throughout the day on the progress of the installation. Im scheduled to sit there for about 7or 8 hours ( including the removal of the GL extensions)



Posted By: luvhair
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 8:33pm
I can't post client's pictures here so I will take pictures of mine the next time I do them.  

I'm looking forward to hearing more about these microdots.   Sounds like something I would love to learn how to do.
 


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 9:12pm

luvhair, even if you can take a pic of the scalp just so I can see how invisble they are, it would be great. im going to try and do that tomorrow for you guys. I know some other girls out there are looking for a second skin type of hair extensions, im hoping this will be it ! ( i just hope it doesnt feel like a wig on)

 



Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 10 2008 at 11:19am
Hey BeachBunny, good luck today!!! It sounds like it's a great system. I don't think it will feel like a wig. After a few days you won't even know you're wearing it.

LuvHair, yeah if you can post pictures of your method it would be great!! Where are you buying your skin wefts from? How is the quality?


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Posted By: mokipono
Date Posted: January 11 2008 at 3:53am
It sounds like the method where hair is tied onto strings. The string webbing is custom made to fit the head. I do one similar to this except  attach with braid and sew.


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 11 2008 at 3:56pm
No it is nowhere near this method.Mikono
 I just got the microdots put in and I really like them . its very similar to the hair on hair method. It took about 8 hours to do because I have so much hair but its very natural looking and much lighter then Great Lengths (bonds). Its nice not to have that plastic on my head anymore.
The damage greath lengths did to my hair was irreparable ( I had to cut a good chunk of it), but Microdots are definitely a good alternative.
It still feels tight but nothing completely unbearable and hopefully by tomorrow i wont feel them anymore ( it was the same with the GL extensions at first.
I wanted to post a pic of my scalp but its really invisble to the naked eye and seamless all around the head.
 
My check up is on wednesday and I cant wait because there are a few adjustments i want to make....
otherwise its smooth sailing from here... my biggest disappointment is that the stylist cut my hair too short after I sat there for so many hours I was pissed off... she should have asked me how long i wanted it. she went in there with a razor and zoom thru it i had no idea she was taking lengths away . wednesday im getting my long hair back no matter what!
 
But I am thrilled ! I now have a normal head of hair... couldnt say that with the extensions.
Oh I think someone said there was anchors... but no there are no anchors. only tiny little dots sewed in sparsely.
the thread looks see throw and looks like a hair but much stronger.
 
i took a pic but there is nothing to see. sorry !
 


Posted By: mokipono
Date Posted: January 11 2008 at 8:16pm

It sounds wonderful! 

  But, I still can't picture it. Is it  5 or 6 hairs tied on to one of your own hair? Do they use a needle to attach hair to hair? Do you think the hair is clear synthetic? Sorry for all the questions. It just sounds so fantastic!
 
I would love to learn how to do this method. Is there any literature or a name I can Google?


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Posted By: mokipono
Date Posted: January 11 2008 at 9:28pm

http://www.doncosa.com/ - http://www.doncosa.com/  

here is the website for microdots.
 I took this digital pic of my monitor. I couldn't get my computer to save it.
I have to say, it's an EXCELLENT website.
You can see the 3 first microdots as they start working up the head.
Maintenance must be done every 4 weeks. They claim the hair will last 3 to 4 years. I'm assuming a client is required to purchase 2 lb. of hair and during every maintenance the continue to take new hair out of the 2 lb. you've purchased.
 
 


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Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: January 11 2008 at 10:51pm
that looks very interesting!
I have some clients that could really benifit from this.


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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 11 2008 at 10:59pm
Thanks for posting that link Mokipono!!
This does look really cool.

Beachbunny?? How long will it last? Also, did that creepy guy cut your hair?


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Posted By: kateadreena
Date Posted: January 12 2008 at 11:55am
i dont understand, do they tie some sort of knot to the base of your hair to add extra hair to?


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 12 2008 at 1:00pm
Malibu, the creepy guy? that's james he is great. an artiste with attention to detail. he really thrives to make you happy and he has a great sense of humor. I spent 9hrs with the guy and i was laughing the whole time ( even when my GL extensions wouldnt come off).
the stylist cut my hair ( she is great but she just cut it too short)
 They should last for about 3 years . I say about 2 ... which i was skeptical about at first but since they need no coloring and barely any blow drying, i can see how they can be preserved and healthy.
 
Today is DAY 2 with microdots, Pressure and pain are gone, i dont feel them anymore (I am relieved I remember watching America's next top model where they put a weft into this girl's head and she got swelling and horrible side effects, she was totally suffering with it so they had to take it off, luckily this was nothing like it)
 
My checkup visit is in 5 days and is FREE, they fix anything you do not like . in my case : i just want more length.
 
Kate : yes its a microdot ( very intricate work) sewed onto your own hair following your own growth direction as to replicate natural hair growth so it looks like its coming right out of your scalp.
 
 


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 12 2008 at 1:03pm
i have a pic but i cant seem to add it on .
how do we add pics?


 


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 12 2008 at 9:02pm
BeachBunny, how long before you need them redone....two or three years?

How are they going to lengthen the hair now that it's cut?


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 13 2008 at 7:46am
I think I have to have them removed and put back in every 5 -6 months ( but that takes about 2-3hrs)

They are changing the pieces on the bottom of my head to make my hair longer.

They have a huge gallery of hair so if they mess up on hiar cuts or you want to add highlights in your hair they never have to order hair for you.

However some of my pieces are temporary since they are having some custome made for me in russia.



Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 14 2008 at 7:40pm
sometimes i feel like this hair is coming right out of my scalp : its fantastic !
 
Also I feel like its the best method to actually help my hair grow. It isnt smothered under a net, my hair is interlaced with the actual microdotted hair so its breathing but getting a lot less abuse it would if it was just my hair there...
 Only drawback : it is uncomfortable the first 2 days... then it becomes part of you.
I like to call this DETOX for my hair (lol).
 
I will keep you guys updated as I evolve with this system ...
Beach Bunny


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: January 14 2008 at 7:43pm
ok how bout some up close pics?
i would love to learn this method- do they teach?


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 14 2008 at 7:54pm
I dont think they teach it , I actually asked about that and he said he only trains poeple who work for him and sign a non- disclosure agreement. Looks like he is looking into opening franchises ... I had a close up picture which mikomono tried to post for me but she couldnt size it correctly to post it. If someone can let me know how to post pics here I will post a few close-ups


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 14 2008 at 8:03pm
oooh!! I want to see pictures too!!
Yay, they fixed your hair. It sounds like they provide great service!!

Originally posted by BeachBunny BeachBunny wrote:

 Only drawback : it is uncomfortable the first 2 days... then it becomes part of you.
I like to call this DETOX for my hair (lol).


Most methods take a couple of days until you don't notice it. My sew ins are like that too.


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 14 2008 at 8:26pm
Malibu, yes they fixed it all yahhhh!!!

The service there is wonderful. I had to go to their location in NJ today because the Manhattan loc. Was closed today, but I was happy they agreed to see me today rather than have me wait till wednesday.

I'm glad you are saying that about the sew ins and pain because I was worried I might never feel comfortable with them. But it did wear off...


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:23am
BEWARE OF DONCOSA & SEQUENCE!!
 As someone who has worked for them , apperared on their reality show/infomercial and helped with styling photos for their website... let me say as gently as possible, RUN before your hair is gone & your pockets are empty.
The piece being cut too short is just the tip of the iceberg... it will fall apart in months and will need constant repairs and hair addings.... it is cheap chinese hair from indonesia... they will charge  up-wards of 2900 to start and once they get your $$ and put it on you, they donmt want to know you... if they think that you have alot of money, then you will always have their attention because james & staci  will be constantly trying to sell you something...
also dont get sucked into their "russian hair" its a lie that will cost you 5000 and up...  I have one client who was suckered into paying 36,000 for a virgin russian piece that is simply very fine indian hair...
BTW doncosa's james and sequences' dino are step brothers and do the same thing.. though they will both say they do something different from the other. its not true
they operate a hit 7 run business.. they get your $$ and care little about retaining you as a client..
you will find any complaints with the hair  are "your fault" or the products you are using.... james is delusional, staci is the biggest liar you will ever meet...
also noticed on other boards that staci must have her boyfriend/mgr mike sullivan posting positive posts on some of  these boards  .. just like she made other employees do when negative things appear on the internet about them.. why do you think yo cannot comment on you tube's DCI  clips?? and staci has actually threatened legal actuion against other bsds forcing them to remove negative posts from ex clients..
they do not stand behind their products or services and will give you the run around for an exchange.... if you threaten with a lawsuit, she'll figure out what it will cost her to fught it  and offer you a measly 1000 to go away...
if you are a trich client... RUN!!! because you will sign a release and DCI will notbe responsible for ANYTHING that goes wrong with your unit because james will say" you are a puller and you cant keep you hands out of our hair!!" so too bad!!
 
The dots can be ok when done right but  just like the braid will cause traction alopecia  inthe hairline and perimeter if done too tight ... if you have bumps or red sores in one area for several visits you will have  hairloss in that area...
I perform dots in my shop0 as well, but cautiously because i have clients with sensitive heads... but we also do other systems  DEPENDING ON THE CLIENT... dci is one size fits all  type of operation... everyone gets dots whterher it will work for you or not...  and usuaulyy a netting with openeing too big fior the cleint so that they need to pay for hair adding at every visit... also the hair  they r adding  is scraps from old units from old clients and from scraps that new clients dont get to keep when theres excess from their new unit.... a new perimeterr  will run you about 1200. and youll nedd one by the 1 or 2nd off on appt..  so look out!!
 
they spend all their $$ on advertising and have a crappy staff... no one stays there long enough to really be good at it and the best techs get sickof seeing clients in tears and sick of being forced to lie for james & staci so they leave and start up on their own....
 
After 20 yrs in this biz, i have worked at DCI, sequence, JA alternatives , mens hair now, gucci, tiffany wigs, vito mazza's ... happy to answer any questions... i   am a hair repalcement specialist , not a used car salesman so  you will never hear a sales pitch from me when you contact me for info/questions...
we have plenty of DCI 's unahppy clients to keep us busy !!~lol
 


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:33am
As a rule, you should feel a general all over tightness... NOT PAIN... and if you can say "this spot hurts ' or  "that spot hurts".. it needs to be loosened to prevent  red bumps , turning into sore that will cause hair loss..
if  you are still in pain wash it and CONDITION it to loosen it up a little.. dont suffer, it will bite you in the ass later when your hair is destroyed
 
staci is notorious for being too tight , as is wendy.... james' dots dont stay at all
 
PS if you have fine hair , the dots will slide easily with and w.o conditioners and you may need more frequent tightenings...


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 8:21am
I removed my original post after I verified Tonim's allegations. ALL TRUE... sadly i got screwed by them .
 
So yes ... anyone intending on going there run before you go bald and your pockets are empty.
 
 
 
 


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 8:54am
scary

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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 11:54am
Beachbunny.....I have to be honest...I'm starting to wonder about you. You never posted any pictures and you certainly weren't going into detail about the method. It sounds like you're advertising this system and perhaps you work there?? Or maybe you're Toni or Staci? Are you that creepy guy? Why would you "guess" that this person was fired? I think Tonim is being honest about what she knows and not falsely bashing anyone. I think it's strange that you took such offense....unless you're trying to justify the outrageous fee you paid?

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 12:41pm
Hi malibu well I did try to post pics but couldn't figure it out. Mikomono (another memeber) got a pic that she tried to post for me but she couldn't format it to fit or something. If you would like pictures I will be more than happy to send them to you and you can post them.

I am not advertising this system, originally I came looking to make sure it would be good for me. And I am pretty happy. Iam concerned about what Toni said about causing balding so I'm looking into that but what threw me off is that Toni does dots too???

I did get offended because I just made a commitment to this ... But I also think an old employee coming on here to criticize probably has a motive especially claiming not to be a car salesman.

Anyhow you can messenger me privatelyif you'd like I would be more than happy to email pics and tell you what I do for a living ( nothing to do with hair lol)


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 12:47pm
Okay, I hear ya. It just seemed strange that you got so defensive but whatever. I think this method sounds like the sew ins, that if it's too tight you can suffer from traction alopecia.(sp?) You would know if it's too tight. It would be painful upon application and painful for several days, not just two days of discomfort...so I wouldn't worry about that.




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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 1:01pm
No ,,actually I quit and gave 2 wks notice .... after they  changed my ( and several other) non disclosure agreements without my klnowlegde..
they changed the contract and put my signature page on the back....
they did it to adrianna too and sued her for 40k....
 i just already knew what they had done and filed my original with my lawyer  and asked staci for a copy of the one SHE said she on file.... it was obvious to my lawyers and she knew what she did...poor james did not know what staci did but backed off when  I told him about my lawyer having my original....
When you ask them about me.. ask them about the other top  tech who left after 10 yrs named krys.... and michelle from excelengths ,  and gloria who sued for discrimination....  not to mention the countless lawsuits settled out of court...
also remind them,when u mention my name,  that i am over my non disclosure period  and i stil have my copy on file wuith my lawyer  if the need should arise...
 i hope staci & james have paid you well to watch this message board...  I have worked for  DCI 2x and sequence 1x....i know the game!!
 Yes , my salon is in NJ ... as are 20 others that do the same thing!!! hel 4 or more just in englewood!!
I do pay for advertising , but minimal amts because people from DCI are always looking for a new place to go!! we keep our clientele  because they are happy, treated fairly and dont feel scammed!!
 
 
 


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 1:05pm
Malibu, the discomfort was really getting to me the first 2 days. Now I don't feel it. So I hope you are right about not having to worry. I have never heard of sew ins but ya it has to be somewhat similar, since its done with threats and needles (lol). On my next tightening I'm going to make sure my roots aren't put under stress. I grow lots of hair and the last thing I need now is to start balding because of this. As if my GLs didn't do enough damage already. I wish I could just go without anything in my hair ... Hope it grows and I can soon. Thanks for your help


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 1:14pm
Toni, I am sorry to hear they have so many unhappy ex workers. Sounds like you had your share of problems with them. I can only speak for myself, so far I'm all good. I'm coming out of a traumatic experience with GL so I might be putting too much hope into this system ... I didn't get paid on the contrary I did pay a lot of money for this system, and im pretty sure i didnt get what i paid for.


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 1:21pm
I think time will tell in this case, you had them in a short amount of time so lets see in a few months how you do, make sure when the re do them you ask to see the condition of your natural hair, this way you can see if its working or not..good luck to you. 

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Posted By: alanag
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 2:25pm
Hi ladies,
I have an appointment for the mirodot procedure on Friday and have been following beachbunny's postings to see how eveythng turned out. I am currently a little concerned since there is so many mixed reveiws. Not sure who to believe.


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 2:33pm
Alana I think you should just go for your consult and see how you feel. Its working for me so far ... I'm hoping I won't encounter complications. You can messenger me if you need to.


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 2:36pm
I hope I am wrong too, but I'm not....
I agree that "time will tell" .... email me in  3-6mos and let me know what you think then... ok?
I wish you luck & lotsa good hair days!!
ps : do yourself a favor and dont let on like you have alot of $$ when u are there...they will bleed you dry


Posted By: alanag
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 2:41pm
will do, I will let you know how it goes.

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 2:55pm
Toni, you are right about that. I made that mistake with my previous hairstylist and he would end up replacing 5 extensions and charging me 120 bucks  ... Definitely something to watch out for. However Im not gollible... I will smell it the minute it happens if I feel my wallet is being taken advantage of. Besides : I work in the entertainment/Fashion business, I can give someone very bad press the same way I can very good press :)
So far, they've been great and caring --- Maybe things have changed since you were working there ?
 
Will definitely keep all of you posted.
My advise so far : STAY AWAY from GL extensions ... a system I AM NOT NEW to, I have had it for 6 years ... your hair will never grow healthy ( it will grow but not healthy).
Dont let poeple tell you otherwise.


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 3:26pm
Tonim, do you have pictures of what it looks like? Or can you describe it? I'm still kind of fuzzy on what the method is. 

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Posted By: alanag
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 5:05pm
Hi Tonim,
how can you be reached if I am interested in having you perform the procedure? Also, I am concerned that the procedure will take out what is left of my hair line. Woeul you receommend it for peoplw with thin hair line?


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Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 5:40pm
Maybe its me because of no luck with the extensions but this procedure sounds very complicated and costly.

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 5:59pm
Sourgirl its def. Costly ... I have no choice but to have extensions right now and this was definitely the nicest system. Hair drama should have been my screen name


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by BeachBunny BeachBunny wrote:

Sourgirl its def. Costly ... I have no choice but to have extensions right now and this was definitely the nicest system. Hair drama should have been my screen name
 
Keep us posted on how things are going over the next few months


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 6:56pm
I will Sour Girl. And let us know what to choose to do next . You have no extensions at all right now, correct?


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by BeachBunny BeachBunny wrote:

I will Sour Girl. And let us know what to choose to do next . You have no extensions at all right now, correct?
 
Nope just straggly hair, I have a consultation for hair locs tomm, i tried short to long before which did not stay, i hear good things about hair locs and I had no damage from short to long.


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:05pm

Ah I know about straggly hair : thats a GL SPECIAL Angryarms

I never heard of hairlocs ... is it visible ?


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:37pm
Hi!!
 honestly, it will destroy your hairline  very quickly if it is very fine to begin with.... we have women that have done it for  many , many years and havevfinally have to go to a bonded type of hair system because they no longer have a hairline & no longer want to be locked into a heavy bang and no part....
We often anchor it on both sides of the hair line and leave the  middle free  or use a small clip temporarily so that it can have a chance to regenerate or simply to keep it healhty... you def. have to be careful  with the hairline


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:45pm
Small little anchors/dots are sewn all  around the perimeter of the area to be ciovered with the unit....
then a piece made of fine fishnet covered with hair is placed on the head and attached to the ancors with a fine thread...
your own hair is pulled thru the squares of the netting
 
 a fullflat part is not possible  if you are wearing a fullhead.. meaning the top of yourhead is covered with the piece...
you can use your own part and achieve only length by wearing a horseshoe or a piece that goes fr temple to temple around the back of the head


Posted By: alanag
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:49pm
Thanks for being honest. It seems like the best option to restore my hairline is a transplant.  The last thing I need is something destryoing what is left.
 
Microdots and sequencing sounded too good to be true but hoped I was wrong. I guess not.


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Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by alanag alanag wrote:

Thanks for being honest. It seems like the best option to restore my hairline is a transplant.  The last thing I need is something destryoing what is left.
 
Microdots and sequencing sounded too good to be true but hoped I was wrong. I guess not.
 
I was reading it and I have never heard of it before, and believe me i research alot. It sounds very complicated to me and with all the hair drama I had im scared of everything.


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Posted By: Sofiaone
Date Posted: January 16 2008 at 8:28pm
Beachbunny- what didn't you like about GL? did you have a full head replacement every 10-12 weeks? b/c that is what is recommended and not a few strands each time. How many strands did you have?

ALs0----regarding microdots....i thought it was similar to the micropoint system where you can have 1 strand of your hair attached to 4 of theirs. Or you can use the micropoint accents where they use beads with 100 hairs on them to attach to yours.

Hairlocs are basically metal/copper tubes that are crimped to your hair with an extension hair inserted. I am sure Tangles can explain it better since it is what she specializes in and also there is info posted in references section on it.




Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 9:40am
Sofiaone, thanks for explaining the other systems. I used to love great lengths. I had mine replaced every 10-12 weeks, but also every other week or so,i would have a few replaced where my hair is short and were showing after growth spurs.
 
The quality of the hair used to be fantastic years ago but lately it has been plain ugly and also i find them to be damaging no matter what. Not a good system for poeple looking to grow their own hair at some point


Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 10:33am
I have done a similiar method for years like this!  I make a base of micro rings around the perimeter of the person's head (or balding area) and then sew on a hairpiece.  This is nothing new.
 
It has ok results, but in general, people with thinning hair is more fragile and tends to no be able to strand up to the tension.
 
I sew on wefts using a micro ring base too and it can break hair over time if the hair is fragile.


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 9:36am
Metal Girl, im no hair professional but what i have in my hair right now sounds nothing like your method. Probably the same concept to some technical extend but visually probably doesnt look anything like it ( there are no micro rings and it doesnt involve a hairpiece. I think you are right about the sewing causing breakage overtime, anything we do to our hair is always going to do more damage than not do anything. However the method i have in my hair is a lot less stressful on the hair cuticle and even the scalp than the bonds i had.
 
 
I also have to clarify something: i have checked out TONIM and I must say: she is legitimate. I had to look into her claims due to the amount of money I have just spent at the establishment she previously worked at, and the potential expenses i would have had if I didnt listen to her.
 
Turns out, she is very professional, she was telling the truth about everything she said and she is gifted. I decided to trust her and i have to say she rectified a bunch of issues I had with the system .
 
She does know how this system works and she did the same excact thing only she was gentler and she listened to me.
 
I believe she saved my hairline from hairloss ( it would have happened overtime) she actually released the top part of my head since I have lots of hair on my scalp and there was no need for that piece up there.
 
Im recommanding her, and I might be in hot water for making this switch but i believe it is the right thing to do and it is only fair to her and others that have been reading my posts to be informed.
 
I would like to thank Toni for her efforts and running to help me on such short notice.
 
BeachBunny


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 9:56am

Hmmmmmmmm.



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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 11:07am
Cool! Now lets see some hair porn!!

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 11:08am
LOL ... its going to get dirty i know it


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 11:30am
Originally posted by malibu malibu wrote:

Cool! Now lets see some hair porn!!
 
Yeah oics..if you cant see them who cares that;s what I want to see how un detectable it is.


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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 3:08pm
nothing is 100% undetectable.... thats why every comany  can only  boasts that their product is " virtually undetectable"...
 theres gotta be a starting point somewhere....
even the lace fronts that the celebs use are not 100% undetectable... they require full makeup to pull that off on tv  , and up close in real life, you can see it.... at least anyone who has ever worn hair or does it for a living  can pick it out anyway!!
happy hair days


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by tonim tonim wrote:

nothing is 100% undetectable.... thats why every comany  can only  boasts that their product is " virtually undetectable"...
 theres gotta be a starting point somewhere....
even the lace fronts that the celebs use are not 100% undetectable... they require full makeup to pull that off on tv  , and up close in real life, you can see it.... at least anyone who has ever worn hair or does it for a living  can pick it out anyway!!
happy hair days
 
Still want pics.Wink


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 3:44pm
Toni and I are doing some maintenance on my hair on Tuesday. I will have her take pics ( if she doesnt mind) and then we will figure out how to post them :)


Posted By: xianghua
Date Posted: January 19 2008 at 12:37pm
I've been following this thread with interest since it began (in spite of all the crazy drama!). Please have your stylist take some pics and post for us to see- very curious about how undetectable it could be. You can block out your face if you're feeling shy! 

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 19 2008 at 1:21pm
ok i took these 2 pics by myself. one shows on of  the actual hair pieces we removed on top . and the other is a close up of my hairline.
 
not the best pics but it will do till i can get my stylist to take the pics.
http://public.fotki.com/beachblonde77/microdots/ - http://public.fotki.com/beachblonde77/microdots/


Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 19 2008 at 5:07pm
So it's a hair integration piece attached with some micro rings or other kind of sewing method?

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Posted By: mokipono
Date Posted: January 20 2008 at 9:19pm
You were right Metal, it's exactly what you stated. It is the same method I posted the pic of on page 1. It's a very fine fishnet integration. It sounds beautiful! Perhaps Toni can take some snap shots for us? This is what I would like to have done on my hair. You can attach hair anywhere on the head without seeing any attachments. It's expensive, but well worth it if the hair attached is untreated it should last years and years.

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 8:56am
Mikopono, its exactly true, the only difference is that your fishnet ( on page 1) is whole cap integration piece, and this systems comes in portions and can be cut out and put just about anywhere .
It is so pretty... and it is expensive but I think it should last for a while ...
 


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 9:17am
How expensive???

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 9:20am

in the thousands ...



Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 9:25am
Like $1000 or $3000 or more?

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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 9:55am
the highest doncosa's owner james has ever gotten for a new unit was 36,000.... then he hit the same client for 18,000 later ...
super light blonde russian hair over 24 inches is VERY VERY JARD TO COME BY.... and those superlight shades are still dyed... even if you order raw  hair fr russian , or the ukraine, you get mostly dark blonde shades as your lightest color.....  so for james to constantly come up with super light blondes in russian hair is a crock... besides the fact that it would take probably 6 ponytails of blonde russian hair to make one 12x12 unit that they use for their clients...
mikipono, as one who sells wefts in  euro & indian... would you agree that super light blonde virgin euro hair is very difficult to find in long lengths??


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 10:07am
HOLY C**P!!!!!!!!!!!!! A total of 54K???????? So she paid $36k the first time? How long before he got another $18K and what was that for???? That is a brand new cadillac escalade or a new corvette!!!!!! for that kind of money it should be a scalp transplant.

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Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 10:07am
Im sorry for replying again but 54K????????????

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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 10:10am
I didnt pay anything near that ! thank god ... i would never... but he got me good too, and the a$$*** wasnt even able to give me the length i asked for. This shouldnt be allowed !
I think he was working his way up with me... he realized i was probably too smart for him to hit me hard the first time... but i did see that every visit was going to be around $400 especially when i didnt get the length i wanted ... it would be like:'oh im getting gorgeous hair in next week, we will add those in " and my question is" why didnt i get the gorgeous long hair to start with??????"
 
so anyways i got lucky but im out about $6000 because i think someone else would have charged me a lot less....
 
 


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 10:22am
Just wanted to let you guys know that i changed the name of this thread. DONCOSA calls their process microdot ( supposedly its trademarked) and I refuse to advertise for them. Now i realize other technicians do know how to install the same system and just call it dots. I decided to refer to it as MICRO STITCH ( thats what it really is : technically they are tiny little surgical stitches). and this will avoid giving them publicity which they dont deserve.
 
 


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by tonim tonim wrote:

super light blonde russian hair over 24 inches is VERY VERY JARD TO COME BY.... and those superlight shades are still dyed... even if you order raw  hair fr russian , or the ukraine, you get mostly dark blonde shades as your lightest color.....


But it sounds like you're at least GETTING Russian hair.


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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 2:53pm
yes , it is ukraninan...
 however russian hair  is actually considered euro virgin hair and that means it can come fr. russia, ukraine, belrus, moldovia etc etc...
 


Posted By: mokipono
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 3:09pm
You're right Tomin,
Super light virgin Russian hair is next to impossible to find. Most reputable Russian hair sellers use natural blonde hair for platinum colors because the bleach won't need to stay on for as long, as opposed to the time element needed with darker colors. We state plainly on our websites the Russian hair has been lifted from blonde to lightest blonde.
My supplier can get me some extra light blonde colors (not platinum) for double the cost of regular Russian hair. The regular cost for 25" light and med. brown Russian hair is $2,000. per kilo.
 
The hair from Russia is mostly light and med. browns (Caucasian hair)
Hair from Moldova and Georgia are mostly dark colors, and considered European hair (ethnic) This type of hair texture resembles Asian mixed with Russian hair because it has a fine texture.  It is usually straight and wavy hair.
This is where the distinction is made between Russian and European.
The line keeps changing so it can be hard to keep up.


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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 3:30pm
What about Italian hair? Is there a such thing? It sounds strange to me that Italians would be cutting their hair off and selling it.

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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 8:09pm
yes, there is also italian and spanish hair but they are not as highly desired as euro virgin hair with cuticle intact...


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 8:39pm
For the record....
Anyone from Don cosa who is monitoring this board  for staci & james please make note...
Anything & EVERYTHING ( and sOOOO MUCH MORE) that i have said here is the truth and can be proven... therefore its called freedom of speech...
however, James or staci making false statements about my character without any proof  is considered slander...
 I cannot believe the audacity of james to actually tell a  client that  I got arrested 1-2 x every  week while employed by DCI....ANYONE oN THIS BD CAN FEEL FREE TO DO A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON ME   and you will find not even 1  smudge on my record...
Funny how EVERYONE who ever left DCI was later said to be mentally unstable or had family problems.... IS IT POSSIBLE  THAT EVERYONE IS IS NUTS & JAMES &  STACI ARE NOT!!???? plllllleeeeeeaaassssseeeee...
 
I really should thank james for his lovely "pep talk" 2 months before i handed in my letter of resignation...   he asked me where i thought i was going i this biz after 20 yrs besides DCI since i had kids to support and a mortgage to pay... I WAS NEVER SO DETERMINED TO START MY OWN BIZ AS I WAS THAT DAY... thank you for the inspiration james!!
 and i did it all while keeping within the restraints of  my original contract... its hard to keep screwing people when  clients figure out that you are not the only game in town... in englewood alone within blocks of DCI, you have sequence, excellenght, eunices hair care... they all have a fishnet base, wefts and do dots....all former DCI employees
Sequence lost the right to the name "microdot " in court ... only DCI can use that name... but YOU CANNOT PATENT A KNOT.. so ANYONE can use the dots... its a surgicla knot  for christs sake...
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 9:02pm
Yeah but why would Italians sell their hair? It's not for religious purposes and they aren't third world over there....same with Spain.

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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 10:31pm
not really sure and i have never purchased any myself but this website is one of the ones that sells it .. or says it does anyway...
honestly, you can never really ascertain the true origin of the hair without  some very indepth scientific testing... you can simply ascertain if it is it processed or if the cuticle is intact.... that is really the big hho-ha with virgin hair... its simply has the cuticle intact .. it has not been stripped in an acid bath to remove the cuticle....and it was harvested with all the cuticle going in the same direction...
I have successfully used hairauctions for several yrs now for my high end clients.... it is the only way to see color & texture & hand pick each ponytail... however you need many ponytai;s to make an integration/fishnet base so it can be very expensive for that.. but great for the extension client.
 see!! i knew all that useless knowledge I had stored up about hair would come in handy someday!! Smile
sorry .. forgot to incl the website that i was referring to...
  http://store.wowwigs.com/itsiwe.html - http://store.wowwigs.com/itsiwe.html


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 10:34pm

yes.. even a kilo of mixed  colors   of the ukr hair costs 1500 or more.. if i request blondes, they can only give me dk or med blondes and its double the price and a very  long wait for them to collect it...



Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 10:36pm
Thanks so much Tonim!

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Posted By: mokipono
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 12:46am
Tomin, I don't understand.  Is this the website for hairauctions?          
  http://store.wowwigs.com/itsiwe.html - http://store.wowwigs.com/itsiwe.html
What is hair auctions? I haven't heard of it before. Can you give more info?
You're right about how hard it can be to ascertain the origin of hair. There are a few tricks for telling Caucasian hair from Indian. If you use a high lift bleach from roots to ends the Caucasian hair is always darker at the roots. Indian hair always comes up lighter at the roots.
Testing the cuticle direction simply means if you dampen the hair and slide your fingers in either direction you will feel less friction on the hair that's pointing down. If the feel is the same going in either direction it's likely the hair has been processed for cuticle removal.
To be honest, I don't know much about Italian, or Spanish hair. I've heard the hair is all from India and is processed in Italy, or Spain. I don't know this for sure, it's probably not true, just some more urban legend.


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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:03am
no.. that was just a website for italian hair...
will send you the hair auction sites privately


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 9:50am
hum ... guess there are some things they cant get removed...
 
Reliability Report for
Don Cosa Images Inc.
The BBB reports on businesses, both accredited and non-accredited. If an organization is a BBB Accredited business, it is stated in this report.
Name: Don Cosa Images Inc.
Phone: (201) 569-7339
Address: 475 Grand Ave.
Englewood, NJ 07631
Website: www.doncosa.com
Original Business Start Date: January 1970
Principal: Mr. James Costa, Owner
Customer Contact: Mr. James Costa, Owner - (201) 569-7339
Entity: Corporation
Incorporated: January 1970, NJ
TOB Classification: Wigs & Hairpieces
BBB Accreditation: This organization is not a BBB Accredited business.

Nature Of Business

This company offers hair replacement service.


Customer Experience

When considering complaint information, please take into account the company's size and volume of transactions, and understand that the nature of complaints and a firm's responses to them are often more important than the number of complaints.

The BBB processed a total of 3 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.Of the total of 3 complaints closed in 36 months, 2 were closed in the last year.

Product Issues
  BBB Definition:

Product  Issues - Claim alleging a product does not meet the expectations of the complainant, including defective merchandise.
 
  Resolved
  BBB Definition:

Resolved - The company resolved the complaint issues.
 
    1 - Company addressed the complaint issues. The consumer failed to acknowledge acceptance to the BBB.
 
Refund or Exchange Issues
  BBB Definition:

Refund  or  Exchange  Issues - Claim of alleged failure to honor company policy or verbal commitment to provide refunds, exchanges, or credit for products or services.
 
  Resolved
  BBB Definition:

Resolved - The company resolved the complaint issues.
 
    1 - Company addressed the complaint issues. The consumer failed to acknowledge acceptance to the BBB.
  Unresolved
  BBB Definition:

Unresolved - The company failed to resolve the complaint issues.
 
    1 - Company failed to resolve the complaint issues through the BBB voluntary and self-regulatory process.
 

Company Management

Additional company management personnel include:

Ms. Stacy Costa - Owner



Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 5:42pm
Forgive me if I am out of line, I have been on this forum for almost a year and I have never read any Salon bashing on here as much as this thread before. It just seams like a coincidence that tonim and beach bunny joined around the same time and now its kind of a gang up on this salon. hmmmm it makes me wonder the true motive behind this. I have had some shady or bad dealings with businesses before but never went over and above to post their Reliability Report online, it seems like something that needs to be brought up in court not on a forum. I certainly would be mad if I paid and insane amount of money for a process that no one ever really heard of and have no idea the reliability of it, but I personally think any salons or stylist should stay out of the forums unless its complete fraud. And that has not been proved yet.

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Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:16pm
sour girl-
funny i was just thinking that!!!
does seem really strange...


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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:22pm
Whatever it is, this thread has been informative if nothing else.
I've been wondering what you tip on a $6000 bill.Broken%20Heart


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Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:32pm
well i can understand where sourgirl is coming from . I also wondered about Toni popping in as soon as I opened this thread. I for my part came on this forum trying to make the right decision. I made an investment way over $8000, so i think it is my right to come in here and vent about it. my job requires that i look great  ( i am in the fashion industry) and for me it was as much of a professional move as a personal move.
turns out i have been had ... and when toni popped in i wasnt happy about what she had to say because i paid all this money.
 
there isnt much i can do but come on here and inform others of what happened.
 
Im still happy with the system ( but i found out others do it and for 5 or 6 times less than what i paid for it), but i had issues with it, which im trying to resolve.
first, it is still not as long as I originally asked
second, there was a piece on the very top of my head that didnt belong there because I am not bolding ...
 
So yes Sour girl, for the price i paid i shouldnt be looking for additional hair ( but Im looking to get my length back) and i should be happy but im not.
 
How would you feel if you just paid this much money ????
 
not too good, actually you would feel pretty SOUR.
 
I have no problem confirming my identity and job title privately if you would like.
 
this forum is about hair , and this is what this thread is about : VERY EXPENSIVE HAIR .
 
 Malibu: on the paperwork they gave me before the procedure they said tips are appreciated and suggested $80... ( since they removed my old extensions for me ... i gave $100 )
 
had i known they overcharged me ( i paid more than $6000 , im too ashamed to admit how much i spent ) i would have never left a tip


Posted By: BeachBunny
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:37pm
and to answer your question on another thread ( not that i think it is any of your business): I paid sooo much money and still didnt get the length i wanted ... so wefts were temporarily going to be added to the existing net to create length until the custom made pieces i already have arrive.
 
I think it is my right to do whatever i want with my hair and for you to question it is way out of line .... i guess you didnt notice the other thread with a pic of the actual piece i have in my hair asking if anyone carried those???
 
 


Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:42pm
Nothing fraudulant about anything posted by me... It was a matter of doing a google serach on Doncosa because I was on their infomercial , At first I was in alot of it , then when her boyfroend had to9 be editedout, I thought i was mostly edited out as well.. BUT then a couple of my clients said they saw the Don cosa reality show and that one has alot of me in it... we think they may run 2 versions and so i did a google search to see for myself and arrived at this website ... then I came across a post about DCI and responded...  Which is what these boards are for, arent they?? to exchange info about  extensions, gair systems & peoples experiences with various techniques & companies.....  After 20 yrs in the biz, I can say I have worked foer most of the major companies in NJ.. in doncosa' s case i worked for them 2x....  i feel i can comment fairly & honestly about what goes on at these places and i find it hard to not comment when i get the feeling someone is being taken advantage of....
I was also asked in a pvt email on this board , my opinion of jA alternatives.... i worked there too for 3yrs & was fired while on disability after a 2nd ankle surgery.... i have nothing negative to say about them... nor  do i have anything neg, to say about gucci, vito mazza,tiffany wigs, mhn/bioexcell.....  i only call it like i see it... feel free to google serach me, my website , whatever.... nothing to hide... even used my trade name as my screenname on this board so how much could i really have to hide..
 I  also have another website that  is consumer oriented and has been up for about 7 yrs... l am sick of the crap that goes on in this industry and i feel that if people shared their experiences, then  it might prevent the someone else from being taken advantage of.... you can make $$ and still be fair , honest & compassionate with your clients....
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Posted By: tonim
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:58pm
I would love to say its even 10% but its NOT!! loloCry
 the highest tip I have ever gotten   was $400....   and i was ready to close up ,call it a day & head to lunch for the rest of the day!!!LOL


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Posted By: saralee26
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 7:02pm
Just my thoughts here, there is no hair in the world worth more than 6,ooo dollers, It is crazy just to think about spending that kind of money on hair. I rather invest in a nice wig, and forget about it!



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