QuoteReplyTopic: Bleaching and toning Posted: January 10 2005 at 8:16am
HI can anyone help i have done a strand test with clairol born blonde lightner it has come out yellow after 90 min and that is what is required to tone afterwards. Although in the shops they only have two toners in stock in the born blonde toners which are 354 warm beige and 353 silver blonde.
I want to bleach my hair to yellow stage and then tone it, my hair is naturally dark brown only at the root area as I have had my hair coloured previously in all other areas, i would say it is light blonde and i have had lowlites at the top with highlites but i want a more even colour so I can do this at home it is too expensive to keep up at the salon.
Can anyone recommend if they have used clairol borne blonde toner in 354 WARM BEIGE it looks a funny colour on the box is there any examples on which it would look like after i bleach to yellow as recommended on the box.
Also I would appreciate any help to do th root area and then on the rest of the hair considering i have low lites aswell if i bleach these it will be a case of picking out all these low lites and doing the root area then it will be uneven .Please help
I don't have experience with that color or toner, but as for your darker areas, just put the bleach on them first and let it sit on them a few minutes longer than on the rest of your hair. (This would be better if you don't mix all of it at once, just what you need for your darker areas, then mix the rest and do your lighter areas later...you don't want it to do its work before it gets on your hair).
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hi thanks for that info but i am confused in regards to putting the bleach on the darker areas first i need to mix all the solution and can I still put the bleach on the roots after the dark areas. Also can I put the borne blonde on the rest of the highlited hair? Will this effect it? Also any recommendations on toners to use in your own experiences for [previously highlited hair
Is it possible to pour some out of the bottle into a glass bowl and mix the right amounts there? You can judge the proportion to mix by how much you were supposed to mix from the box. If you have twice as much of one thing as the other just mix 2/3 of that thing with 1/3 of the other. Sometimes it's straight half and half, so then you'd mix half and half.
I'd put it on the darkest areas first, whether they be your lowlites or roots or both. Once all your hair is blonde it will be easier to tone it to what you want. (Though like I said, I don't have much experience with toners). What I used to do was just dye my hair to white with a high lift blonde with a violet base (but I think you said in the past that where you live you didn't have access to beauty supply shops with base colors written on the dye?). So, I really don't know how a toner will effect the lighter blonde highlights you have in your hair. Is there any chance you could have this done at a salon? Dyeing hair with high and low lights can quickly become complicated because of all the different shades on the hair.
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Hi thanks for getting back to me in regards to a highlift dye i would probabaly prefer this method. Yes i do have access to salons ervices it's just like sallys the beauty shop it has everything like that. What would you recommend in a highlift dye to get ie the developer voloume etc. Or what did you use. Do i just put it on the root area and then comb through rest of hair. Please advise any information would be good.thanks
I was going for platinum white blonde when I did mine. When I did mine, I used a high lift blonde dye (level 9 or 10, Clairol dye) with a green base on my natural hair to get it past the orange stage from brown, then once it was yellow I used a level 10 high lift Clairol dye with a violet base to get it white. Once you get it yellow, you can go whatever shade of blonde you want, be it platinum white, or a darker blonde as long as you use a violet base. That will counter the yellow in it and make it look more natural. I used 40 volume developer the whole time (because I was going for white hair), and left it on my hair the maximum time (45 minutes). If you're just going for a blonde shade, not particularly so light, you may be better off with 30 volume because it would be less damaging. Others on here have said you don't need 40 volume, even to go white, that it's too damaging, it will have to be up to you which would be better for what you want).
If some of your hair is already whitish or a non-yellow blonde, I'd try to avoid putting anything else on it. I would just use my fingers and a plastic squirt bottle to get the dye on my roots and the lowlites until it was all yellow, then decide what you were going to do after you wash it out and dry it. If it's all yellow, you can just put a violet base blonde dye on everything...but you said your highlights weren't yellow, so you may want to try to leave them out of it, just rubbing the dye on the other hair that is yellow. Like I said, doing it with highlights in it is kind of complicated. If you get to any halfway point in this and are unsure, please don't hesitate to post and ask more questions.
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Thanks for replying your help and advice is great i really want to try this at home.:O)
1 - Although Can i still use my born blonde clairol lightner on the roots and brown low lites until yellow?
2 - Then put the highlift dye on the root area and brown low lite areas after is yellow as per 1st step making sure it's a violet base and use with 30 volume developer(i will get this at sallys) except the bits that are already highlited, although will they not look a different colour against the rest of my hair that has been dyed to yellow stage then the highlift on it.I am a bit concerned about this incase they go green if the highlift touches they areas of highlited hair.
Also is it possible to use the highlift ONLY instead of the born blonde first just doing the roots and low lite areas and combing through rest of hair for last five minutes or so. Let me know your opinions on this or if you have had an experience doing this i am soo scared but there must be an easier solution to stay blonde.:o( thanks for all your help it's great to share these posts who have had experiences i love this message board there are lots of great ideas.thanks soo much for all your help
I'm not familiar with born blonde (I'm not a professional and I never used it). If you have used it before and you know it gets your hair to yellow, then go for it. The only bad thing that could happen really is if it gets it whiter than you want, or if it goes orange. Orange is no big deal because then you just buy a blonde dye with a green or blue base to counter the orange until you've got yellow. If they go white, well, do a test strand so you know how long to time it so it doesn't go white...white is more complicated to cover.
I still don't know exactly what shade of blonde you're going for and that would help. Dark blonde? Light blonde? Ash blond? Platinum white? Yellow honey blonde? Once you get all of your darker hair to yellow, you can go to any of these with no problem, but I don't know what to tell you to get without knowing what you want. (When I was saying high lift and all shades before, I was just saying what I did to go white, but you may need something different). Also, once you're yellow, if you want to go to a darker shade of blonde, you may not want 30 volume developer for that shade. 20 would be better if you want to go darker, 30 for if you want a lighter than yellow shade.
I would do the darker bits to yellow, then wash it out and dry it and see what you've got before deciding what to do with the highlights or putting anything on them. If the green base stuff touches your highlights, they shouldn't "go green". The worst you should get in that case is a faint greenish cast, similar to if you spent a lot of time in a chlorined swimming pool. I would still try to avoid getting the greenish cast on them if I could, but that won't be a big disaster if it gets on them slightly. Going darker, yes, you can turn your hair green, but green isn't a big problem when you go lighter, the greenish cast is often so faint that I've seen some people go platinum and leave the greenish cast on because it didn't bother them. It mainly looks noticeable if you have pink or red skin because you see the contrast, but it can be fixed.
You can use a high lift only instead of the born blonde if you choose, just do green base first, see what you've got, then decide what to do for violet. (I wouldn't comb it through without looking first...also I wouldn't use a comb when there's dye in your hair. Hair is weakest when it's wet, and super easy to damage when it's got chemicals on it, your likely to damage it.).
Don't worry, once all of your hair is blonde, it will be much easier next time! You will only have to do the roots one color, and they will match fine after one process.
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Thanks for replying your help and advice is great i really want to try this at home.:O)
1 - Although Can i still use my born blonde clairol lightner on the roots and brown low lites until yellow?
2 - Then put the highlift dye on the root area and brown low lite areas after is yellow as per 1st step making sure it's a violet base and use with 30 volume developer(i will get this at sallys) except the bits that are already highlited, although will they not look a different colour against the rest of my hair that has been dyed to yellow stage then the highlift on it.I am a bit concerned about this incase they go green if the highlift touches they areas of highlited hair.
Also is it possible to use the highlift ONLY instead of the born blonde first just doing the roots and low lite areas and combing through rest of hair for last five minutes or so. Let me know your opinions on this or if you have had an experience doing this i am soo scared but there must be an easier solution to stay blonde.:o( thanks for all your help it's great to share these posts who have had experiences i love this message board there are lots of great ideas.thanks soo much for all your help
marydoll :o)
If your lowlights were added after you bleached, ( foiled in on bleached hair) they will fade on their own.
If you want to see if a highlift will work on your virgin roots, you can strand test first in a disgreet area, but if your hair is darker than light brown a highlift isn't going to work.
If you bleach your roots, DO NOT use a highlift to tone your hair, that will lead to breakage. You can use a true toner from Sally's such as Born Blonde( no peroxide but temporary) Clairol Creme toner use 20 v, Wella Color Charm also uses 20 v. You can also use a permanent tint with 20 v. from Sally's or otc.
If you bleach to yellow stage you can use a level 9 box color/tint if you want to go to pale yellow- level 10 you can also use a tint with 20 v. If you want a medium or dark blonde, bleach to gold stage( wedding band gold).
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Hi again thanks for getting back to me once again i want to go light blonde taking into account alot of my hair is gold/light tones of blonde. I would rather use a highlift so can you tell me what i should ask for at sallys i'm really not sure at all.
I want to do the root area and get rid of the faded low lites aas tehese are washin out an orangey tone and also even out the colour to match the rest of my lightened hair.
I would appreciate if you could help me with the products to buy ie examples and developers etc if you know so i can go into sallys and ask. I am a bit scared to use born blonde at the moment i am sure a highlift should work and to get rid of the lowlites aswell and possibly fing one to match the rest of my haircolour. Let me know what you think. Thanks marydoll :O)
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Hi again thanks for getting back to me once again i want to go light blonde taking into account alot of my hair is gold/light tones of blonde. I would rather use a highlift so can you tell me what i should ask for at sallys i'm really not sure at all.
I want to do the root area and get rid of the faded low lites aas tehese are washin out an orangey tone and also even out the colour to match the rest of my lightened hair.
I would appreciate if you could help me with the products to buy ie examples and developers etc if you know so i can go into sallys and ask. I am a bit scared to use born blonde at the moment i am sure a highlift should work and to get rid of the lowlites aswell and possibly fing one to match the rest of my haircolour. Let me know what you think. Thanks marydoll :O)
If your darker than a level 6 or light brown a highlift is not going to work- your hair will go brassy. You can strand test on virgin roots but highlifts only lift 3 maybe 4 levels. Highlifts can also be more damaging than bleach because they are double 40 v peroxide and tint. I would Not use it on your orange areas- you risk breakage.
I'm going to give you directions for bleach anyway.
Ok, for the lowlights, you should get foils from Sally's and Born Blonde ( 2 bottles)bleach with several lightener activator packettes and 20 v peroxide developer. You don't want bleach on the rest of your blonde hair, put the orange "lowlight" areas in foils and brush on bleach then fold but keep an eye your going to have to watch for yellow(9) or pale yellow(10) depending on blonde.
When doing your roots, you can brush the bleach on just make sure you don't overlap or you will risk breakage. Make sure when you rinse out the bleach you shampoo, thats the only thing that will get the bleach out, do that twice to make sure.
After you reach desired lightened stage you can use a tint or toner, go ahead and refoil the lightened "orange" areas and brush the tint on, you can do the same thing on your roots then process for the time specified and rinse out, condition and your done.
Born Blonde bleach/brush: you can try a bottle but a brush gives more control
packettes lightner activator
bottle of 20 v peroxide developer
Tint of your choice- use with 20 v.
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thanks for that info on bleaching i am still concerned that the rest of the previously coloured hair will look different against all the bleached and toned areas. I am scared to use the bleach I think but everytime I go to the hairdressers I get highlites half head using 3 colours light blonde like white and a bit darker blonde and a brown. I also get a semi perm i think on the root areas using peroxide I think and the lightest blonde colour but always ends up an orangey colour not too orange more golden
I hate it i just want a better solution to this surely there must be some way around this.
Can I ho to sallys and get 30 or 40% to mix with the colour of dye in my choice that matches rest of previously coloured hair and do the brown bits and the root area only. Pleasea advise I am just scared to use the bleach at this time it must look better than all the hairdressers I have tried in the past. :o)
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