Headscarves and Veiling

I often wear headscarves but mainly for fashion reasons. I don't wear Muslim headscarves but many of the Muslim ladies I see do look very modest and feminine in their scarves. It does look lovely.




There is some suspicion, unfortunately of women wearing Muslim style headscarves today, which is really too bad and unfair to Muslims who are not even remotely connected to terrorism or radical Islamic religion.

Well, I like the idea that veils keep men from looking at you as a sexual object all the time, but I wouldn't wear them myself. I'm just not into anything meant to make women subservient or keep them in a traditional role, in any way.

I'm not judging you Veiled Lady, I didn't mean to do that.

To each their own, everyone has their own style!

Women do have equality by law Kuroneko in western countries.

In fact we have even more than that, in some cases we even get affirmative action. We also get custody of children in 90% of the cases.

Women pretend like we can't do what we want, but in reality, western women do pretty much anything we want. I know I do what I want. No one stops me really from doing whatever I like,(within the law that is!!!).

This whole submissive/dominant thing that VeiledLady is refering to is voluntary, and alot of it is based on her sexual/sensual predilictions. Some women get a charge out of that, it makes them feel feminine and sexy.

That is the biggest myth of all, that women get paid less than men for the same job.

Yes women on average make less than men, women are more inclined to interrupt their carrers to take time off of work with kids and be stay at home moms. Also women have a tendency to go into fields that pay less on average than men,
but every credible study shows that women with the same amount of education and work experience as men in the same occupation make about the same amount of money.

I know it is a sidetrack but I have to wade in on this one. My generation was on the cutting edge of feminism and I would say that there are a lot of us out here that feel like that has gotten us nothing but grief. If you talk to a lot of women in their forties many are divorced and full of regrets. Being treated equally is fine and it is good that we are protected by the law, but I wonder if trying to wield the same type of power as a man when in a relationship isn't a terrible mistake. There are different types of "power" in the male/female relationship and I would call myself submitted, not submissive, which is a bit different. I choose to make my husband the head of our family. It works much better that way when raising kids, conducting business, and in keeping us solid. Believe me, I get my way with him and I am much more successful using more traditional feminine methods than by going head to head with him. That doesn't mean that I treat him like he is stupid or anything and that I don't stand my ground when I feel it is necessary but I think in the family sense, the man should be the head of the household. That also means that I have to trust him in every way. Not always easy but I try to live by the golden rule so he can trust me. I believe I am getting as good as I give.

Men and women are just different. It is a mistake to lump us into one category. Each sex has different things to offer so the differences are good and balanced.

In the workplace it is a different matter. I have never felt discriminated against (computers and healthcare) or that I was treated differently than the men I worked with (actually sometimes I was treated better, especially when traveling). But then, I wish I didn't have to work at all. My children would have been better off being raised by me than by a series of nannies and daycare providers but that is what the women's movement bought me. A load of regret! I can't get the time back now but I am fortunate to be able to continue my career as a telecommuter so I am home all the time. Everything in life is a tradeoff. Be sure you don't make the wrong trade.

I would rather be a woman than a man any day. Their roles have gotten totally confusing and they are blamed for EVERYTHING these days!

OK, enough of the rant.

I used to think that too Kunoneko but the older I get the more I see the differences and the wisdom of women of the past. I do agree that you can't generically lump either sex into categories since there will be exceptions and variations in every group. But, in general I think men are programmed to be providers and protectors and women are programmed more toward nurturing and nesting. That doesn't mean that we each can't encroach on each other's turf but there are differences beyond how we look. And I am happy for them......

Ya I know what you're talking about. I watch a lot of Indian movies with beautiful girls like Manisha Kiorala and Aish dressed in saris and gorgeous colored veils. I want to wear one! It's so feminine and coy looking...especially if you are young and have a beautiful face peeking from underneath.

Agreed.
Women from India are beautiful. Their style of attire is beautiful too.
I'm very glad that some of you seem to understand the value of tradition. A society that disregards tradition is a society that will fall into decadence and decline.
Veiling may not be for every woman but it has enhanced my life greatly and assisted me in rediscovering so many valuable virtues. It has enhanced my modesty and spirituality (in my case Buddhist) It also has enhanced my femininity and given me great pleasure. A real woman loves to feel feminine and a real woman loves to serve her man. Wearing a long dress and veiling has helped me focus on what is really important to me as a woman, a human, and a spirtual person. Niqab is now my form of dress.

That is the biggest myth of all, that women get paid less than men for the same job.

Thank you pixielady. That rumor keeps getting spread, and it is just so untrue. In fact, in several fields, women's salaries (comparing equal education and experience, which is the most important thing) actually are higher than men's! Women in the US do not realize how lucky we are. We have MORE than equal rights, and sometimes I feel sorry for the men, especially in child custody cases. A lot of times, a woman will be given custody based only on the fact that she is a woman. Veiled Lady, I don't dress like you, but I just want to say that I deeply admire you and your values. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't understand your lifestyle and are quick to condemn it as thinking you are inferior, but I think you get a lot more respect than someone who dresses like a prostitute!