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    Posted: July 04 2005 at 11:32pm

Didnt see your post LD or I would have answered you in my other reply....no Ive never experienced any damage from LG bonded wefts. I do occassionally switch back to that method on occassion, when I want to give my hair a rest from single strand extensions. I like the fullness that I can achieve from the single strand applications. I can get alot more hair on my head. But I also like bonded wefts because it is so much easier to apply and remove. 

What I will say about LG is that it is a PAIN to work with! It gets stringy like hot glue does, and that drives me nuts...LOL Also if you only want temporary bonds....DO NOT do the sandwich technique with LG. I made that mistake and they were a BITCH to get out after week ( I installed some crap hair that I couldnt stand and it had to come back out LOL) Until the liquid gold bond starts to break down on its own its pretty tight and secure, and with the sandwich technique they are gonna stay put for awhile.

If you can get your hand on ChrissyV glue and want to spend the $$, that bonding glue is awesome. And its easier to remove than LG

For the difference in price I choose to put up with the stringiness and the little extra patience it takes to remove LG. And I also get a slightly longer lasting bond from LG



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machine stitching with a zigzag stitch should reinforce the weft. You can also double your wefts and zigzag stich them together to add more volume (but they may have to be a pretty small or thin weft to avoid the track being thick and bulky.) Metalgirl can tell you alot more about stitching wefts since I believe it was her posts that I remember reading quite awhile back.

What I believe that MissSLC meant was that the hair color or dye, which I also call 'hair color' (that I buy at Walmart or any drug store) is what she uses to lighten her hair. So in laymans terms, I color my hair from a dark blonde/light brown to a very light/med golden blonde too.

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sherrie did the liquid gold bonded wefts you used to do cause a lot of damage to your hair?  i loved the ease of the latex glue and was going to do the liquid gold possibly for the next time but if its damaging then i might just try to do the sew in microring technique instead
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I think she may have meant simply that she is single process coloring (which yes I agree must be bleaching via say maybe a 30 vol lift?) not double process.  I think in general people associate double processing as bleaching and single process as not.  Which I totally agree is false.  But it is less processing which may mean her hair is less beat up than if she were getting it double processed.  may not is.

Also, sherrie how does one sew a weft to keep it from shedding before attaching it to their head?
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Um, you can't lighten hair by adding color.  It doesn't work that way.   The dark pigment has to be removed in order to lighten up.  Your stylist might be misleading you.  Most of the time, a color is added during the lightening process to produce a particular hue (like golden, or honey, etc...), but you can't just put color on to lighten hair.  The darket pigment must be removed, and that process is loosely referred to as bleaching.  Your stylist isn't using clorox bleach for laundry, but she is using a lightening agent that does basically the same thing.  So she can say she's not using bleach, but it's the name game.  It doesn't matter what you call it, it's still the same thing. 
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oh...and just to let you know, you can reinforce a weft before its sewn on to your head. You can sew it to reinforce it. And some companies will even do it for you when you order it (for a small fee, of course) And it could possibly be the weft isnt sewn very well. Ive seen different brands with really good machine wefting and others with a very poor loose weft. Also the hand tied wefts are supposed to help reduce shedding.
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well 300 seems pretty reasonable priced for loose extensions. Actually thats CHEAP, compared to what some people have paid. Do you happen to know what brand of hair that you are currently using? How many tracks do you wear?

How you take care of the hair, your maintanence and styling routine can all affect how long the hair will last. Also being in the lighter blonde range means that the hair is pretty processed and isnt going to last as long as darker hair will.

I would suggest that if you choose to stay with wefts for sew ins. That you try (as mocha suggested) checking out the RK hair. Bohyme is also another tested and well reviewed brand. And Extensions-plus gets good reviews too, but is a little more expensive.

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YOu could try getting your own hair.  And getting it on a hand tied weft.  I don't have any experience with handtied wefts but supposedly they are less bulky on your head and shed less.

Cinderella hair is nice.  But you can find equally good hair much cheaper on or off the weft if you hunt for it.

You might try looking at the RK threads here.  There is some debate going on but so far everyone who has tried it has liked it.  Even if you get the remy single drawn and cut a lot of length off it should be an inexpensive way to get good quality hair.

Or if you are comfortable coloring it you could get in on FinaFina's purchasing of virgin indian hair on a weft.  It's hand tied which may help the shedding.
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Thank you so much. The verdit seems to be that the fusion isn't all that better than the tracks. Apparently it will cost me @ 300 to do it all with fusion. The reason I would want to switch is because of how  nuch hair I shed and my hair tangles .. really bad. When it rubs acrosas my back and shoulders it just looks like a giant mess... I'm geting new hair with the track every 8 weeks. Spending about 200. It may be the type of hair ( she says it's remi) but it goes dull, dry and gets real thin. I moisturese 5 min when I wash my hair 3 times a week. Supposedly the hair with the fusion is better.

 I appreciate your repiles they have helped.

* sigh* Too bad there's not a way to try both.

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To switch things up and give your scalp a chance to breathe see how your extensionist feel about learning pinchbraids.  Obviously she can already handle fine braiding fingerwork if she is putting in cornrow tracks for you.  You would get the benefits of a strand by strand method (movement, cleaner scalp etc) without the risks of any of the glue methods.  For reasons that totally baffle me, fusion=money????, your stylist can probably make more money with cinderella.  But until you've seen several satisfied customers around for eseveral months I'd stay away fromt he fusion.  I definitely wouldn't want to be among the first fusion heads for any extensionist.
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yep ditto everything Kalika said concerning removal.
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P.S. by "better" I mean, less damaging.  I was short last night cause I was tired and cranky .  However, its mostly the removal that seems to causes the most damage around here, a lot of us, myself included, have literally had the extensions ripped out of our heads, loosing a lot of our real hair in the process.  It chewed me up pretty bad.

However fusion, like any strand by strand method, also has its good sides.  If I were you and interested in this, I would find out how much more it would cost, how long you can keep them in (if she says up to 6 months, RUN), and see pictures of clients before they have hair put in, as well as after the removal.

(edit) also ask how long the removal will take, as well as how much she will charge for it.  To have her take her time and GENTLY remove the bonds, like she will have to do to keep from ripping out your hair, it can be upwards of four hours.  To do it right it seems to take just as long, if not longer, then when she put them in in the first place.  this isnt "set in stone", but more of a guideline, if she says she can have them all out in just an hour or so, that means that she will probably rush, which well end up chewing up your real hair.



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keratin is no 'healthier' for your hair than any other glue. Its glue...plain and simple! Even though lots of companies like to tip toe around the word and use lots of descriptions (like, 'organic protein bond') to make it 'sound' like something natural and superior to glue.

Any method of extensions has its pros and its cons. And every method has potential to cause damage. Having said that though, I think fusion has the potential to be much more damaging than many other methods.

Now on the other side of that. I have worn fusion extensions for a long period of time, with only a small amount of damage. But I am VERY careful, and careful removal is major important. I also color and highlight my naturally dry hair, so whether the damage is from the chemicals or the extensions is really not known.

Ive recently backed off of the nearly platinum hair. I dont highlight as much and Ive switched my method to shrinkies, to 'try' and get my hair into a little healthier state.

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if you are happy with sewn in, keep with them, lots of people have problems with fusion x
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fusion is (almost) never better then sewn in.  Sounds like she's trying to get more money.

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First of all, What a great site!! I could only have imagined for so much great info in one place! Obviously I am new here.

I live in Utah, and we are pretty behind most hair extensionmethods it seems. I have had sewn intracks for about 8 months now, and  love my long hair. My hairdresser recently started doing the Cinderella extensions, and thinks that would be better for me to do  1) to look more natural and 2) be healthier than these wefts since it uses a kertain bond. I'm really confused now. The tracks do seem like they are hard on my hair, but I dont know which would be better. I really want to grow it out.

My hair is naturally a dark blonde/light brown. I've been a very golden bolnde and sometimes platnium for the past 8 years. My hair gets lightened with color not bleach, if that matters.

So.. calling all experts. I'm looking for serious advice and direction! Thank you in advance

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