QuoteReplyTopic: Hairlocs certified stylists... Posted: February 19 2006 at 1:05pm
Do you have to be certified to perform the hairlocs or eurolocs method?
Which method is better? I've had shrinkies done on my hair and it has been a nightmare. My hair is choppy, not balanced...just horrible looking. Yes, after the first day, it looked beautiful, but as soon as I washed my hair for the first time and tried to style, it just wouldn't curl or do anything...this is also bohyme hair. Was very dull and straight. (paid around $300 for the hair) The stylist says she'll do a re-application but I still have to pay for the hair...is this fair? Since the first hair I bought was horrible, now she's offering me russian virgin hair that she claims only 2 manufacturers in the world sell authentic patented russian hair and would now have to $500 for it.
So I told her that I am not interested in doing the shrinkie method because my hair did not respond well to it. I asked if she can do hairlocs, and she said yes, but I would still have to pay for the hair. Well, on her website, she never states she is knowledgable in hairlocs or even offers it as a service...what should I do. I'm losing faith in this stylist and now feel cheated and unable to leave the house because of my hair!! Not only that...she used my before and after picture on her website without my written permission. Not to be conceited, but my hair looked great the day of the service, so she actually put my picture on the first cover of her site.
Please any advice would help. I'm new here and heard great things about this forum.
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yipes...sorry to hear about your troubles - first, how do you know the first install hair was bohyme? did you purchase it or the stylist? there are occasional complaints on here about bohyme, but overall the opinion seems to be that it performs well.
second, tanglesRC is a hairlocs person so i'll let her jump in with that info..
third, red flags with the russian virgin hair thing. do a google search or web search for it and you'll see how many people claim to sell xyz virgin hair without any substantiation...if you are asking my opinion lets say hypothetically you shell out what is a lot of money (on top of what you've already paid) for a new install and aren't happy? sounds like your stylist will not do too much about it...
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Use your lovely imagination!! Most of the bonds on the upper part of my head are out...within practically the first week! I got this done on 2/3 and it hasn't even been a month!
I need to wear a hat before I leave or really try to straighten my hair to make it flow better, but that doesn't work well.
And thanks for your input ccross. Yeah, I'm not very happy with my stylist right now. I wouldn't even give her that title since I only used her once and found her on the net....she only does hair extensions and isn't a licensed cosmetologist. I guess I should've known...
Don't know what to do now...Trust her to do my hair again with a method I'm not sure she's trained on and pay the extra $500 for the supposedly 'patented authentic' virgin russian hair or try to obtain a refund from her...I already know she won't refund. What to do???
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oh my...so you mean that the bonds in the upper rows have came out already?
So since she only does extensions and isnt a stylist did you have the hair cut/layered/razored...anything? I think the cutting/blending is the most important thing to eliminate that 'mushroomhead' look.
I definitely wouldnt trust her to do a method she isnt familiar with, considering the experience you have already had with her.
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Exactly...I paid over $1000 for this to at least last 4 months and she stated it would last for 6 months...
And, no, my hair was not cut, layered or anything...she just did the extensions out of a salon shop that she rents a station from. She never even suggested for my to get it styled or cut afterwards.
What do I do about my pictures on her website? I never gave any permission to do this...I'm just a private person and don't want my pic posted on the net w/o my consent.
Gosh, I need help. Thanks for your input, Sherrie215, but looks like this is beginning to be a pain in the a!@@... I don't know how to proceed..
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Im so sorry...its bullcrap to pay that kind of money and not look gorgeous! Dont give up yet, find someone who has experience cutting and styling extensions and see if they can style it to blend. Have you told her that youll lost those bonds in the top part? Thats an important area that helps blend the extensions. She should AT LEAST replace the ones that youve lost. Its barely been two weeks since they were installed. Try swithcing shampoos, it may help with the way the hair behaves. Did she even recommend an after care routine, or products to use? Dont give up on the hair, if its really Bohyme, it should be decent hair if cared for right.
As for your pictures, she has NO right to use them if you didnt grant permission, probably wouldnt take much to make her take them off her site.
Would you PM me and tell me who this extensionist is?
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Oh and by the way....any individual strand method should be left in the hair NO LONGER than 3 months top. Anyone who says they last longer is absolutely nuts. You risk serious damage to your own hair if they are left in longer than 3 months
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oh geesh- here we go again-it burns me up when people dont know what they are doing and go and install extensions...Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
far as liscensing goes-depends on what state u are in. I am in so cal and in the state of california- ANYONE working in a salon on hair, HAS to have a liscense. We cant even have anyone shampoo hair without a liscense. My personal opinion is that if someone is charging for any type of hair service they should be liscensed and certified in at least one extension method. That is my opinion and i stand on that. I would never allow anyone without a liscense to touch my hair, espicially when i hear stuff like you are going thru.
In order for anyone to do Hairlocs, they HAVE to be certified and gone thru their training.And the only way to purchase from Hairlocs is to be certified.
Alot of people have coppied the loc method, so if there is no certificiation from Hairlocs themselves, then chances are they are not doing hairlocs.
Pictures- if you have not given her a written permission to use your pics, then legally she has no right to use them.
i will pm you some more info.
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wow - i'm sorry. i agree with sherrie and tangles, it is total bullcrap to pay that mouch for an install that doesn't last 2 weeks. good grief. it sounds as if you have issues with the way the hair was installed, the hair, and the stylist. if the stylist was told that the upper bonds were coming out, sherrie is right, she should put them back in for you or tell you possibly all the stuff sherrie mentioned (like shampoo, etc). again, my opinion - i wouldn't give this person any more money...she probably has some policy somewhere about if you aren't happy/time frame for replacement, something.. but as a person who cares about keeping clientelle she should offer some type of help other than telling you to buy more expensive hair and a totally different method.
are you sure she put in bohyme?
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I did everything suggested to care for my hair, but the bonds just would not stay in. Oh, and the shedding....horrible shedding.
Is there a hair locs method that stylists can use that is similiar to hairlocs without being a certified hairlocs stylist? She says she was going to use a similiar method, but only after I approached her and questioned if she was a 'hairlocs certified stylist'. All of a sudden, she says she onlys used the word 'hairlocs' as a term of reference. Anyway, I specifically asked her if she does the hairlocs method, not if she does anything similiar to it...I just do not trust this person...
I wish there is a place where people can hear this type of testimonial! You don't usually read what happens to us victims of bad business practices!
Thanks for your input ladies!
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maybe she's talking about microrings/microlinks....
one thing to consider is stating the city & state you live in, posting after pictures here, etc so that if someone comes looking for an extensionist in your area they can contact you for more info about that particular stylist..it sounds like you would be best off getting money back as opposed to more hair installed by her......but you know how that goes. i suppose you could always call her out namewise, but i would let her know maybe you are going to do that, and that you are unsatisfied, and one last time give her the opportunity to make amends before you blast her...
yes there are similar methods u can do, just the fact that they cannot purchase from hairlocs and are not certified.
i did notice on her site she has a pic of the microlins wefts she does, its the same one taken from i think quinsters boards.
you can also invite her to come on this board- tell her you were searching on the web and came across some great info on hair extensions and was sharing the problem you were having with her w/o using her name YET.....
that is the main reason i first came to this board- to hear from "people" as to what really works what doesnt, and to participate and help others here. i think stylist should come on boards like this to hear stuff like this- makes for better pros in my opinion!
dont worry gator it will all work out
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I have black rubberlike rings in my hair that seems to have covered the glued hair extension bond...are these shrinkies or microrings/microlinks? What are the differences between the two methods?
She told me she did the shrinkies on me...so when I asked to do a different method because the shrinkies obviously suck in my hair, and I mentioned hairlocs...she tried to have me stick to the shrinkies by telling me the fall out is worse with hairlocs. Is this true? I hear it's the exact opposite. Again, why would I do the same method if this is happening to my hair??? Common sense and logic would dictate that if it don't work right the first time, it most likely won't the 2nd or 3rd time!
I would appreciate it if anyone knows what these black rubber pieces are..
The black rubber pieces are shrink tubes, but in my opinion, they are not as good as the clear, adhesive lined shrinkies. I have found that the black shrinkies have thicker walls, thus needing more time to shrink down to properly stay in place.
There are shrinkies on the market that do not have the adhesive lining, and those are terrible because they do come out of the hair prematurely.
When I install shrinkies on anyone, to make sure I'm heating the bond long enough, I count to 10 with each one. That seems to work very well, and it's not a problem for them to stay in place for 12 weeks. I have been doing installs with shrinkies for probably about 8 years now without a problem.
I do also like the microlinks , particularly the new silicone lined microlinks or the protubes. You can find all these products on www.shrinkies.net. If done properly, these methods should also stay in your hair the duration of 12 weeks.
Now, for the imfamous 'mushroom' head problem, to me that's the tell tale sign of a stylist who doesn't know what he/she is doing. Anyone experienced with the application of extensions knows that in order to avoid the mushroom head look, you need to install enough hair, it needs to be installed high enough on the head, and it needs to be properly cut to blend in with the natural hair.
With Shrinkies the mechanism that adheres the extension piece onto your hair is the shrink tubing , and the microlinks, hairlocs, eurolocs, microrings, whatever you want to call them, is where a small metal crimping bead is used to adhere the extension to the natural hair.
So, microrings/microlinks are the same as eurolocs or hairlocs? Just so confused as to many different methods! What is in your opinion the safest method with no use of heat, glue or chemicals and the fall out is minimal?
Microring, microlinks, and hairlocs are essentially the same in application. Eurolocs are a metal crimping bead, but it's a little different. I am certified in Eurolocs and I did them for over a year, but I started to see damage in my client's hair, so I don't offer them anymore.
What's different about Eurolocs is that with a special tool, the metal link is actually crimped twice, unlike the other link type extensions. With Eurolocs, you crimp the bead flat, then with your tool, fold that flattened bead like a book. The theory is that the extension will stay in better than links that are only crimped once.
While the Eurolocs did stay in quite well, the problem was in the removal. To unfold the 'book' crimp you made, you use this pincher type tool that has two very sharp pointy ends. You insert the pointy ends into your crimped link, jiggle it around, and it prys the link open.
Well, that worked great, but I think many of us came to the consensus that those pointy ends really sliced and cut the natural hair. The breakage I saw on some of my clients was horrifying. Once I figured out what was going on, I stopped using the system.
I am a big fan of shrinkies and the silicone microrings or the protubes. You can get all that stuff on shrinkies.net. I use these methods in my full time extension business all the time and they work very well.
My favorite method right now is the silicone lined microrings, the 2mm diameter size.
I personally am not a fan of fusion extensions, but some people on the board like that method and are quite successful with it. I don't like dealing with all that glue in the hair.
Hey, do you know if you need to be licensed to do hair extensions in CA?
Hopefully when I have this all cleared up, I'll have some hope and try this hair extension service again...this time I'll do much, much, much more research on the stylist!
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