QuoteReplyTopic: The Eager To Trim Posted: March 21 2006 at 5:25pm
So my stylist says "all you need is to trim every 6 - 8 eight weeks to keep your hair growing". I'm starting to think this is fabricated in order to maintain frequent business. Every single time I get a "trim", I sorta feel as though I'm starting from Point A all over.. maybe even shorter at times. I love my stylist, but I really want to grow my hair out fully. I have noticed that I do get split ends but I never actually see them with my own eyes..and only notice them in broken hair. Regardless of whether I have babysplits, my hair will continue to grow. Several weeks ago, a person at the bar commented on my hair growth. I got it cut, and someone else says ..Wow It Really is A lot Shorter than before! -- Leaving me discouraged. To Trim Or Not To Trim. Comments and Concerns Please!
Just about every stylist will tell their clients to come in every 6-8 weeks to get a trim, which is basically a ploy to get business. Trimming your hair really isnt necessary unless there's damage IMO. There's also a way to trim split ends without sacrificing length, its called the"roll method". You simply take a small section of your hair then roll the hair over your fingers until you see the split ends sticking up then you trim them away. Its simple and effective, much better than doing it the old fashion way.
Seems as though you feel that all professional stylist have banned together and agreed upon a specific time to tell our clients when to get trims so that we can keep them comming back! LOL, NOT TRUE! My clients come to me (and I specialize in loooooooong hair...so I do know how to GROW hair) more frequently than 6-8 weeks. Ever REALLY thought about when you don't get your hair trimmed that often you need sooo much taken off? * Hum...scratching head* Ever seen women that relax their hair at home and don't get trims??? Sad sight! Don't get me wrong there are exceptions to the rule, but I can honestly say that I've seen many horrible home jobs (check you local beauty chain store for references...ever seen the heads that look for products in there?) Tisk, tisk! Too bad the only advise you can get from them is how to get your hair to look like hers (considering she has the SAME exact texture and lenght of hair). *Shaking my head* Oh well when you want professional results...then SEEK professional advise.
The best advise I can give (as a professional) is to get those ends trimmed every 6-8 weeks but DON'T let your stylist take off more than 1/4 inch of hair. The reason is your hair grows at a rate of 1/2 inch per month and if you remove 1/2 inch you won't see any progress.This is MUY IMPORTANTE! So if your hair is in good condition, then you are able to make this request, if not get those raggedy ends clipped and then put this into practice!
Oh yeah, one more thing. Isn't it ironic that the advise you are getting from professionals seems to be consistance? Yeah, the TRUTH usually is,
Well I wasn't seeking out advice from a professional.... I don't know it seems a little biased.. But then again he is the professional. Gotta trust his word, but I'm am instrested to hear what others have to say.
I dont think its necessary to go the salon and get
trims,, u may end up never noticing a change! and
how frustrating is that! if u see damage on ur ends
such as whitish hair, bends,, splits ( and really look!)
then trim off those parts,, if ur ends look fine then just
keep babying them and leave them on!!! your hair will
grow and grow cuz obvious logic would telll us that if
u keep cutting off the ends at the same or near rate
of growth ur NEVER gonna see a change,, i had
some SEVERELY damage ends that i cut off and
now im babying my"new" ends and hope to not trim
for months if i can get away with it tho I am growing
out a perm so we shall see lol,, anyway i have known
hairdressers to be so scissor happy and not want to
be told what to do!, and I have no respect for that,,
maybe im a control freak but i dont want ANYONE
,,not even a hairdresser making a decision about
how much I need to cut or what my hair needs(
hairdressers DESTROYED my hair and in 6 mths of
doing my own hair, its prettier than Ive ever seen it),,
Anyhoo Pickledgeuse you are a smart women just
for asking that question and so long as u have good
eyesight u can see whether u in fact need a trim!!
Hair type: 3b some c?, fine strands, last relaxer sept 05, never again!!! current :ap length on sides,,nearly bsl in back, damn those old frazzled ends! I am hair OBSESSED
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I only have my hair trimmed twice, but I often do "seek and destroy" (mini-trims). I often ask women with LONG, GORGEOUS hair how they get their hair done, and they usually have their hair trimmed once a month.
I'm starting work next week, and I'll be going in for more frequent trims...maybe once every other month.
I take really good care of my hair, so I only need a "dusting" when I do get a trim.
IMO, if you take really good care of your hair, you'll need less frequent trims, but still regular. If you use too much heat, use harsh chemicals and shampoos, and generally "abuse" your hair, you may in fact need a trim every 6-8 weeks. Also, if you abuse your hair and don't get regular trims, don't be surprised if you get your hair "hacked" when you do go....because stylists usually will trim all of the damage off. If that's most of your length, oh well. My mother hasn't had a trim in 31 years, and consequently, has hair above her shoulders. I've buzzed my hair 3 or 4 times in the past 10 years, but due to trims when I need them, have grown my hair from a buzz cut to 22 inches in the last 4 years.
I've met a woman who had maybe 23-24 inches of hair on the SIDES/FRONT, but shoulder length in the back, so she always wears her hair in a ponytail to cover it. You guessed it, she trims it herself and can't trim the back herself. She asked my advice, and I told her she needed to cut it all to the shortest layer she has and start over, but to get it professionally trimmed so they can get the back.....she thinks I'm crazy.
Hair type: who knows?
Length: 23 inches as of 3/10/06
MY HAIR IS OFFICIALLY BRA STRAP LENGTH!!
Goal: Waist Length, which is only 30 inches so
ADVISE ME ON HOW TO GET JUST 7 MORE INCHES OF GROWTH!
Well I wasn't seeking out advice from a professional.... I don't know it seems a little biased.. But then again he is the professional. Gotta trust his word, but I'm am instrested to hear what others have to say.
It is biased IMO. If that is what stylists are learning in school, that is the view they will all hold... whether it is true or not.
It's similar to when you call the air conditioning guy. They all attempt to charge you for anti-freeze and say that you need it whether you need it or not. They did an investigation on ABC news about it. The investigation consisted of having one company service an air conditioner at a home and then over the span of a few hours, have other companies come to service the same air conditioner. They each charged the owners for them to put fresh anti-freeze in an air conditioner that already had fresh anti-freeze from the last company that checked it out. (the air conditioner was in perfect working order too.) It's just the way they do things. I think it is the same with stylists. "They" say everyone needs their hair trimmed every 6-8 weeks so they all try to trim it when a person comes in whether they need it or not, and tells them that they need to do so in that time frame because that's just the way it is.
I didn't get trims every 6-8 weeks (I just started trimming period last summer) and I haven't trimmed for months and months now. The most I usually do is a dusting of about 1 or 2 centimeters so I'm not even sure those count as trims. (I haven't dusted in a good bit of time as well (months). My hair is doing fine and it's relaxed.) If you take care of it properly, you won't need trims frequently.
My advice, only trim if your hair needs it and is damaged or has splits, or you just want to trim it for eveness. You have to look at it and see before you can say a trim is actually needed. How it feels can also tell you if it needs a trim. What is the purpose of a trim other than to do the necessary; remove damage, or for a nice look; even up the ends if they are uneven?
You don't have to be a professional to know how to grow hair. All you need is experience.
Edited by Phoenix1017
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Lies and inaccurate information can be just as consistant. (if that is what everyone is learning out of school, and/or in school)
Wow! Tough crowd! LOL, I see your point, but I respectfully disagree. That's my two cents (for what it's worth). I do want to bring up another issue here, that is "growing hair. Anyone can grow hair, so let me be clear. I should be more specific about the terms I use (for that I apologize) I should have stated "growing healthy hair". I can't stand seeing women that have long "see through" hair, and they refuse to get trims (over time I've noticed that pattern). The worse part about it is, when I use to talk to them about it (when I first started doing hair I tried to "save the world") they all say the same thing, "I want to grow my hair, so I don't cut it" Now the problem here is misinformation. Yes, they do have "hair" but they don't have "healthy hair". Yes, their hair is growing...but NOT at it's full growth potential! Yes, they have hair, but it is not "full" but rather thin, and "see through". There a principals that don't make "earthly sence" until you study them out. Like, give and it shall be given unto you (most people feel like they will be losing more when they give...follow the logic) the same applies here. It's like cutting won't make it grow. Yes, and no. Trimming makes it grow HEALTHY! Which materializes into a more beautiful head of hair. Again, my two cents. No disrespect ladies...I'm just trying to help as many of you as I can. I'm not making any "trim" money off of you I just figure if you know better you can do better! Good luck,
Well, tell me this. Why is is that my hair continually seems to be getting shorter, and shorter each and every time I go.(within the 6-8 weeks period). Yes I go on time, and I don't fry my hair like chicken. I do make an attempt to wash, condition, and flat iron out all the kinks weekly. It seems as though my hair was in better condition when I used greased, and washed only bi-weekly, and I can honestly say that. I never noticed splits and ugly hair, until I started getting damn trims. And Dwayne & Others, what do you say to the ladies who's hair doesn't grow as fast as 6-8 weeks, and ends up getting clipped? How long should we wait until we get professional help? Will a stylist know when I ask for a dusk, or should I just do this at home? I love my hair cuts from her, but after a few weeks it just seems like the pits. It grows here and there, but its winter out.. and I can't stop the dryness. I love seeking great professional help, but it is getting rather expensive. Especially for someone who is going back to school this summer. My stylist is about 60 bucks each visit(including tip). If I could trim myself, that'd be a lot of money back into my pocket, and finding a cheaper salon like Hair Cuttery, makes me a little scared. I have been dooped by the one near me TWICE, but I cannot argue the fact that despite a bad hair cut from them, it grew out quite nicely, minus the 6-8 weeks trim.
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I don't think hair needs to be trimmed every 6 to 8 weeks religiously. It depends on how damaged it is. If you have a lot of split or weak ends than yeah, it needs to be trimmed. I know of some natural ladies who only trim like twice a year because it is not needed. Their hair is so healthy because of not using heat or chemicals. Don't get me wrong though, trims are necessary for growth. I used to be one of those people that never trimmed because I wanted to hold on to what I had thinking it would get longer, it never did. Not until I started trimming regularly. It's been growing like a weed since then.
The stylists I've been to cut way too much hair off when they do trims. It's like man, I asked for a trim not a cut! I get my mom to do mine and I know she will only cut off what I want cut off.
Pickled....if you feel like your hair was healthier using your old regimen than why not go back to it? I don't think there's anything wrong w/ using grease and washing bi-weekly if it is working for you. I usually do a dusting every 2 to 2 and a half months and my hair is growing like a weed. When I say dusting I do mean dusting, lol. I mean like no more than a centimeter. I also do seek and destroys and small mini-trims in between so this helps a lot. I also take care of my hair well and baby my ends w/ extra moisture and use very little heat and this has helped tremendously.
My honest suggestion to you would be to not let her trim your hair anymore. It sounds like she's taking too much off. Try trimming it yourself or get someone you trust to do it. I promise you will see a big difference.
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Do what you feel...when I was relaxed I realized that stylists lie. Not all but many do. I trimmed/ dusted my hair and then check to see if their were splits there weren't...I would do this a few days before going to the salon. As SOON as I get there ( this happened 2 times in 2 different salons) the stylists would say you need a trim. Which was not true, one said I did cause my left side was longer than my right side but a bit...therefore she wanted to trim to even the sides but I explained to her that it aint going to happen because I would just have to keep cutting my hair even ( been there done that)...the other one was just mad that I only showed up to her salon every 6 months for a relaxer and didn't want to wash and style all of my hair. By the age of 17 I stop going to the stylists and without them my hair grew well from a bob cut using the following trim method...which didn't cut length from my hair.
Anyways, this is the trimming method I used when I was relaxed.
1) On dry hair Part the hair in 4 sections...tie them off leaving one section out for use.
2) Make a small Part on the left out section ...( I started at the very front...my first part usually was located between my slight widows peak and the top of my ear)
3) take your finger down the length and when it seem to be thinner trim below the finger. ( When I did this, it wasn't even 1/4 of an inch)
4) Do this all overyour head, one section at a time...it may take time and its kinda harder in the back but it works and you will not notice any length gone; it will look about the same length but with healthier ends.
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Alright this upcoming relaxer I'm going to have my mom dust me. She cuts her own bangs and they are fairly nice and straight..and we'll see how that works out. I do not want go back to my old regimen because Id like to see what my hair can achieve with better product, and the fact that I cannot stand the texture or look of this grease on my hair anymore. Should we use hair cutting scissors? If So, what brands?
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Lies and inaccurate information can be just as consistant. (if that is what everyone is learning out of school, and/or in school)
Wow! Tough crowd! LOL, I see your point, but I respectfully disagree. That's my two cents (for what it's worth). I do want to bring up another issue here, that is "growing hair. Anyone can grow hair, so let me be clear. I should be more specific about the terms I use (for that I apologize) I should have stated "growing healthy hair". I can't stand seeing women that have long "see through" hair, and they refuse to get trims (over time I've noticed that pattern). The worse part about it is, when I use to talk to them about it (when I first started doing hair I tried to "save the world") they all say the same thing, "I want to grow my hair, so I don't cut it" Now the problem here is misinformation. Yes, they do have "hair" but they don't have "healthy hair". Yes, their hair is growing...but NOT at it's full growth potential! Yes, they have hair, but it is not "full" but rather thin, and "see through". There a principals that don't make "earthly sence" until you study them out. Like, give and it shall be given unto you (most people feel like they will be losing more when they give...follow the logic) the same applies here. It's like cutting won't make it grow. Yes, and no. Trimming makes it grow HEALTHY! Which materializes into a more beautiful head of hair. Again, my two cents. No disrespect ladies...I'm just trying to help as many of you as I can. I'm not making any "trim" money off of you I just figure if you know better you can do better! Good luck,
I was talking about healthy, thick hair. You seem to think I wasn't. There are hundreds of women on all the hair boards I am a member of, and women whose hair I help out with in real life, that do not trim for months and they have thick, long hair. I am one of them. They, we take care of it right so we don't need to trim as often. A dusting is enough if we are just gonna cut off something. There's really no "unhealthy" (damaged) hair to cut off to make it grow healthy, in the first place. It's already growing healthy and is healthy due to the care it receives.
Edited by Phoenix1017
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Well, tell me this. Why is is that my hair continually seems to be getting shorter, and shorter each and every time I go.(within the 6-8 weeks period). Yes I go on time, and I don't fry my hair like chicken. I do make an attempt to wash, condition, and flat iron out all the kinks weekly. It seems as though my hair was in better condition when I used greased, and washed only bi-weekly, and I can honestly say that. I never noticed splits and ugly hair, until I started getting damn trims. And Dwayne & Others, what do you say to the ladies who's hair doesn't grow as fast as 6-8 weeks, and ends up getting clipped? How long should we wait until we get professional help? Will a stylist know when I ask for a dusk, or should I just do this at home? I love my hair cuts from her, but after a few weeks it just seems like the pits. It grows here and there, but its winter out.. and I can't stop the dryness. I love seeking great professional help, but it is getting rather expensive. Especially for someone who is going back to school this summer. My stylist is about 60 bucks each visit(including tip). If I could trim myself, that'd be a lot of money back into my pocket, and finding a cheaper salon like Hair Cuttery, makes me a little scared. I have been dooped by the one near me TWICE, but I cannot argue the fact that despite a bad hair cut from them, it grew out quite nicely, minus the 6-8 weeks trim.
To answer your bolded part. IMO, it doesn't make sense if you are trimming and your hair isn't damaged. That is just cutting of healthy ends. Right?
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I agree with Phoenix and I must also add that maybe Mr.DWayne have not viewed many of the hair albums on here or on other sites. If so, he would not be adding his 2 cents because many people on this board have been doing quite well before he joined April 22, 2005. There are testimonies on various sites where women's hair begin to thrive since joining boards and it was no help from a stylist. I have been to your site( months ago)...what you may want to do is keep a close look at your forums to liven them up!
Do what you feel...when I was relaxed I realized that stylists lie. Not all but many do. I trimmed/ dusted my hair and then check to see if their were splits there weren't...I would do this a few days before going to the salon. As SOON as I get there ( this happened 2 times in 2 different salons) the stylists would say you need a trim. Which was not true, one said I did cause my left side was longer than my right side but a bit...therefore she wanted to trim to even the sides but I explained to her that it aint going to happen because I would just have to keep cutting my hair even ( been there done that)...the other one was just mad that I only showed up to her salon every 6 months for a relaxer and didn't want to wash and style all of my hair. By the age of 17 I stop going to the stylists and without them my hair grew well from a bob cut using the following trim method...which didn't cut length from my hair.
Anyways, this is the trimming method I used when I was relaxed.
1) On dry hair Part the hair in 4 sections...tie them off leaving one section out for use.
2) Make a small Part on the left out section ...( I started at the very front...my first part usually was located between my slight widows peak and the top of my ear)
3) take your finger down the length and when it seem to be thinner trim below the finger. ( When I did this, it wasn't even 1/4 of an inch)
4) Do this all overyour head, one section at a time...it may take time and its kinda harder in the back but it works and you will not notice any length gone; it will look about the same length but with healthier ends.
That bolded part is exactly what happened in the air conditioning anti-freeze example up there.
I've never tried that trimming method. It sounds interesting.
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IMO I think why many stylist suggest trimming the ends every 6 to 8 weeks is based on the fact that a number of women do a number of damaging things to their hair. This includes brushing, blowdrying, hot curling, etc. Basically anything that deals with heat and tension to the hair. Over time, those things weaken the hair over time, hence the splits and breakage. If some women stop doing those things, they would have to trim less.
Also notice that "trimming" varies from stylist to stylist. Some think it is about 1/4 an inch while others think it is 2 inches. No real concensus.
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Champagne that could be true but also, the stylists needs to look at the actual hair before making their decision. For example, Mr. Dwayne here...he may be a stylists but he has not seen the hair on each individual on here, therefore he can judge without seeing it. I beleive some stylist don't even know what a split is...when I was relaxed I use to air dry my hair and my hair appeared big and thick. That is the style I wanted at the time. My so called stylists at the time assumed all of my hair was split because it was so huge and demanded that I come to her to get a relaxer. I've seen this in various locations in the country from various people to various people...some may have great intentions but others don't.
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