I have used the Chrissy V bond with my doubled wefts many times, and it holds it very well for the 5-7 weeks. No problems with slipping at all. I do the 'teasing' thing she recommends along the part line, though, because I think it prevents slippage.
And, yes, it's a little more bulky, but I think that clients would rather only pay for 3 doubled wefted rows than 6 or more single wefted rows, because in the end, they end up with the same result, using less head space, application time, and money!
For most hair, I don't think doubled wefts are heavy enough to cause damage. If the hair is super fine and thin, then I would probably suggest the hand tied, but even with that, I usually sew 2 hand tied pieces together.
I haven't tried to bond hand tied, but I guess you could if you had 2-3 pieces (that were zig zag stitched on a machine). By sewing them on a machine, the top portion of the weft would probably be big enough so the bond would hold on it.
For my sewn in method, I use the microlinks, threading the hair through to make a 'track' and sew the hair onto that, because I couldn't cornrow if my life depended on it.
I actually like the straight better than the curly but that's just me. I am glad that you brought up the fact that the wave goes away because this is not going to work with me who is a curly/wavy girl. In the summer when it's humid my hair gets pretty curly so I don't think the synth will work out.
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You're right. I don't think the sew in weft method is good for the synthetic thing we've got going here - it's really...not going to work for that for many reasons, weight being one for sure. Synth is like...the new frontier!! You pioneer gals are out there exploring the best techniques, putting your head and hair on the line. And looking damn hot in the process! I just can't wait to try a full head of it myself.
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Yeah I knew you could sew more wefts in with weaving methods. But Im just surprised to hear of it being done with weft bonding. But hey...I learn something new everyday!
Although for all those gals that are putting in 3 - 4.5 bags of PH. Thats like 10.5 - 14 oz. How many wefts/tracks would it take to equal that! More than my head could fit! LOL
I always double wefts. Does anyone else do this? I thought it was standard, because that is the way I was taught.
Yup. Having worn sewn in wefts for 10+ years, that's exactly how I got lots of thick hair...double sewn wefts! That's nice of you to take them home and pre-sew them on your machine, Metalgirl. My stylist would just sew one on top of the other.
This is where really good hand tied wefts come in. When they're really good, there's lots of hair on them even thin as they are, and you can have double wefts, 2,3 or 4 tracks, and have a ton of hair! It was a tricky business tho...finding consistently good hair, handtied wfts, etc. Then again: speaking to THIN, FINE HAIR: sewing the tracks was again a trick. That's when I found that 'pole weave' (a variation of the Malaysian method, it looks like) where only thread was used to augment the tracks; no extra synthetic hair. That really held my fine hair. Then put 2 handtied wefts on top, and you have THICK LONG HAIR but with very little bulk on the head and no damage when removed. It is a great system for those with fine, delicate hair. It's just very difficult to find someone to do those tracks. The big plus is that it NEVER looks piecey either. At least not in the same way as with individual strands.
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hmmm thats interesting. Ive never doubled wefts with bonding. It seems like it would be quite bulky? Unless you are using hand tied wefts? This may be an option....got the wheels a turnin...
Edited to ask a question. If you are doubling the wefts how well does the bonding hold with the extra weight? Do you still get 5/7 weeks wear out of the bonding?
I have packed 8 ounces of hair on people's heads before via weft bonding (with Chrissy V bond) . It usually takes 4-6 double wefted rows to do it.
As I do with all my wefted extensions, (whether sewn in or bonded) I take home the wefts and double them up and zig zag stitich it on my sewing machine.
So for example, I have 8 ounces of 22" hair (where the wefts are doubled) and it fits into 4 tracks, which is quite easy to fit on a head.
I always double wefts. Does anyone else do this? I thought it was standard, because that is the way I was taught.
I think with sewn in types of weaves you may be able to fit more tracks on a head(not sure) but with weft/bonding, its hard to get that many tracks on a head without the tracks being glued on top of each other. Although with hand tied wefts you could fit more rows. Comparing say.....Kalikas hair and the amount of hair she used in 4 &1/2 bags of PH. I dont see it possible to bond wefts of the equivalent amount of hair onto a head! You can fit enough bonded tracks on a head to have a beautiful head of hair but you are definitely more limited to how full you can actually make it!
You may want to discuss that with Metalgirl, actually. I remember having a similar conversation with her awhile ago, and I believe she said that she preferred tracks for thin, fine hair because of the piecey-ness issue. In her case, though, I think she was actually wearing a full weave-cap (which might explain how she had the extra room for them). :)
I have actually had smaller connections (containing less hair) in the past, as well as more space between the rows, and I actually thought that accentuated the problem. My hair's so thin and quite short now, I think it makes it look to stringy if there isn't a lot of hair installed. I think wefts would probably look less piece-y, but I've never tried them.
Hi JennyRR.....Sorry, what I mean by retext rows is: putting a connection/pinchbraid/boxbraid then leaving a space then putting in another one then leaving a space and so on.....blockrow: a row of connections side by side with no gaps....and by doing smaller connections u will reduce the "gappy" appearance....hope that makes sense.
Jenny, in response to your questions- I have about 2 bags of PH in open-ended braids. I have natural dreads, so I braided over my dreads with the PH, then rubberbanded at the end of the dread (about chin-level) and left the rest loose. I'm also going to tie some more in loose over my roots to cover the braids a little bit, and will take photos at that point.
I'm wearing black, pepperoni, and one of the pale blondes in straight, full lenght, I also have some sections of white Dome in there, just to compare how they wear. An interesting thing is that the Dome -was- wavy (it was Natural texture, I think), but it has straightened out just by normal brushing. It seems to be a little more manageable than the PH, but that could be because there's only a few pieces of it. I've been brushing about twice a day, wearing it back in one huge braid at night. It's been about a week, now. I washed it last night (plain shampoo, no conditioner) and it was fine, possibly softer. I even skipped brushing it for two days (I was lazy!) and while it did get scruffy and piecey, it didn't take too much effort to brush out entirely again. I haven't even blown out the ends yet and they look fine, though they'll need it in another week.
I haven't tried to wave it yet, but just bought a curling iron and some pillow rollers (those little foam-and-wire things), so I'll try that in a bit. One thing I just realized is that every human hair curl/wave texture I've ever used has also dropped its curl- both HNH bodywave and Hairpiece.com 101 C-curl dropped their curl after the first few washes, and became more of a very light wave. I'm trying the Hairpiece 101 Remy "deep wavy body" out on someone and am hoping it will maintain some of its wave, but we'll see! I think long hair just wants to droop under its own weight (and synth is heavier per strand than human).
Honestly, if it lasts me two months, I'll be happy. (It's still an enormous savings over human.)
The other thing that occurred to me is that my hair is superlong, and I'm sure that makes it a bit more susceptible to bunching up, takes longer to detangle, and the rest. (Not that I'm planning to go shorter or anything--lol!)
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