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    Posted: March 09 2005 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by amm amm wrote:

If only this stuff came in the colors and length PH did.


By the way (don't know if I mentioned this yet), I sent a therm sample to Sara at PH (the ebonyline Adore, not the WaWa, which I don't have). Hopefully, she'll be able to hook up something similar in her lengths and colors. :)
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This is interesting because it seems like we're having a range of results with the PlastikHaar. Mine and Kalika's seemed to straighten almost immediately; Mer's retained a little wave; AMM's tests have shown that the wave loosens and goes straight; and Fina's is still going strong. Well, I'm sure we'll figure it out.

I think it's safe to say that to lengthen the life of the curl, it's best to:
1. Avoid blowing the hair out with a dryer or steamer.
2. Get a shorter cut (not butt-length anyway), preferably with layers.
3. Get the 28mm, as opposed to the 50mm.
4. Avoid hot water or frequent washing (although Fina has done this with success).
5. Try to finger-tousle the hair as much as possible, rather than brushing.

The rest remains a mystery....

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My 28mm PH is quite full of body and I have washed it LIBERALLY. It is nowhere near STRAIGHT -- in fact the only parts of it that have threatened to be straight are the ones that I've messed with with the blowdryer.

The back is still wavy -- no problems there at all. Again - I've not put *any* heat on the back.

amm I got the 18/22 French Refined regular weft. I'm going to pretip it and remove some of the yuckier synth from the front. I've gotten GH's 18/22 mix before, but in the body wave pretips, and LOVED the colors. I got it in the 18" but I'm thinking that 14" will work as well -- since I taper it so much around my face. I sure hate to waste that long HH!!

Will keep you posted. The GH won't be here for another week or so. . .

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Ahhhhhh. Thought you were just talking synth in general.

Just from my own testing of the PH's curl, it relaxes after each wash until the curl turns to wave and then it's eventually gone. This is without blowdrying or styling.

In the meantime, I installed the WaWa after wrapping it around the tiniest iron. The curl was like a ringlet. I haven't had to mess with it since and it keeps a strong wave through washing. If only this stuff came in the colors and length PH did.
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But the synth you're wearing is straight, isn't it, amm? It's good to know that it's very little upkeep and we know how awesome yours looks. I'm just wondering if a person wears 28mm PH in the back and does NOT jack with it - especially no heat - if the curl will stay in rather than fall completely out. That is my main question.

That 18/22 blend is frickin' gorgeous.
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HH in the front/sides and synth in the back with WaWa is what I'm doing. It's working beautifully. Very little upkeep. http://talk.hairboutique.com/forum/viewthread.asp?forum=AMB_AP934431446&id=9267

Here's GH's french in 18/22. It's what I wear as well. Curls big as well as smooths beautifully.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Syren123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2005 at 10:52am
Fina. That's brilliant! Synth in the back, hh in the front and sides - that way, a bag of hh will go a long, long way! And the front is WAY easier to maintain yourself with shrinkies, extentubes, whatever, and you can mess around to your heart's content without having to wrestle with the back!
Ohmygod. Where's Save-A-Stray?! I need the back of my head pinchbraided IMMEDIATELY!
So Fina, are you going to do that - put the hh in the front yourself? Pls keep us updated (like you wouldn't)!
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Rae, yeah your prob. right. Maybe something that wouldn't be clogging??

Fina, that's a good idea! Just put the hh in the areas that need style control!

It is what it is...
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OK here's what I did:

1) wrapped it up in those little white squishy roller things
2) steamed it
3) let it dry, about 30 minutes
4) removed the rollers

voila, big, beautiful hair, once again. . .

ends still need some work but I am VERY VERY blow dryer shy at this point.

Also I went ahead and ordered a weft of 18/22 French whatever from Glamour Hair. I'm with you Jenny, it's like IMPOSSIBLE to NOT get heat near this hair, I mean c'mon. . .if I wasn't jacking with styling my hair what would I be doing?? (oh yeah, I might be, oh, say, cleaning my house, doing laundry, exercising. . .NAH)

Anyway I'm going to go ahead and put some human hair in the places where I must control the look!! I'm going to make strands with the LG/nail glue method and attach them with shrinkies.

I think that synth works well on the parts of my hair that I do very little with -- i.e. the BACK. It is going STRONG!!

-Fina
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Originally posted by Bridget Bridget wrote:

What do you think about adding some fab. softener in the water part of the steamer?


It's bad for your steamer, actually- it will gunk up eventually and die. :(

-Rae
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Yeah, well, that's what I had anyway. But it did smooth out with the blow-dryer. I think the length contributed to it. Maybe it was something I was doing wrong though. More experimentation is needed to get an accurate read on this. (In other words, don't go by me!) You may also want to ask Mer and Kalika. :)
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This is getting scary! Bunchy? That's no good! Steaming will fix bunchiness, but take out the curl? Oh NO!!
To be honest, I think the PH doesn't feel all that smooth and silky...one color particularly (pfefferschwarz, it's like #2), but the beautiful Mahagani does feel silky. Most interesting, the PH feels just like the Trimco I ordered, although Trimco only comes straight.
Hmmm.
The good news is I did many curl tests last night and Trimco, when treated right, will curl and the curl will last, just like WaWa. And the PH curl will rejuvenate with my curling iron when curled wet. But but...isn't it a huge pain to recurl a whole head?!
Bunchiness in only a week. Hmmm.
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The ends do get kinda wonky(sp?). Just keep that brush moving when styling them with steam/blowdryer and they should smooth right out.
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Whew! I spoke too soon.

I'm starting to think the bunching is more of a problem with longer lengths.

Anyway, if it's only the ends, I would think your rolling-steaming technique would work well.

Can't wait to see pics. You're an inspiration, Fina!

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Hi Jenny
By "yucky" actually I'm *not* having problems with it bunching. . .when I brush it, it's very smooth and silky; the ends are just kinda weird. . frizzy I suppose is the best way to describe them.

This morning I put in hot rollers when the hair was wet - and BINGO - it responded beautifully. Just have that problem of getting all those ends correctly placed in the rollers (it is IMPOSSIBLE with all these layers).

I just think that this hair wants/needs (notice how it has a personality now) to be treated the very old-fashioned way. . .rollers, let the hair dry in the rollers.

I bought a hand-held steamer today (the $19.99 ConAir one). I'm going to put rollers in and steam it with them in.

Will advise, with pics, later on.

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Originally posted by FinaFina FinaFina wrote:

my hair seems to have reached "critical mass" -- it's kinda yucky right now. . .maybe I've overdone the fabric softener, and the curling iron. Can I steam it WITH ROLLERS IN IT so it doesn't go stick straight???
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OK, I assume you're having the same thing as Mer and I experienced--the hair gets bunchy, stiff, it's hard to get a brush through it.... Frankly, I'm surprised yours has lasted this long without bunching; mine was like that after less than a week, I think.

I actually don't think the hair's like that because you overdid it with the iron (I hadn't even used one at that point, and I don't think Mer had either) or the fabric softener (ditto the first point). I just think synth--no matter how well you take care of it--gets like that after awhile (simply because of daily wear--exposure to water, heat, wind, brushing, etc.). My feeling is that it's unavoidable, frankly.

If you can get a brush or comb through the bunches (and keep in mind that they're not really tangles so much as big bunches, so if you go section by section, the hair will separate), you may be able to curl those sections in rollers and then steam. I don't know if this will be enough to revert the hair to a smooth state, but it's worth a try.

Otherwise, you'll need to blow it out or steam it out with a brush, both of which will make the hair pin-straight. At that point, you'll need to reset the curl. If you decide to blow it straight, it can be helpful to mount the dryer on something so you have a hand free to hold the hair, while your other will be holding the brush. If you keep the blow-dryer moving, you shouldn't singe it.

It's possible that the PH 28mm can withstand this process without straightening out, but I highly doubt it. And this is also why I'm doubtful that never steaming or heat-styling synth hair is a possibility; I just don't see how you can get rid of the bunchiness without doing that, and the bunchiness happens pretty quickly--for you about 10 days, for me and Mer less than a week, I think. I believe Kalika was blowing the ends almost immediately. I just can't imagine that you can only fingercomb this stuff for 2 or 3 months with success, although I may be missing something.

Perhaps someone else should chime in here, since these are only my best guesses based on 3 1/2 weeks of wear.... Perhaps some of the synth vets know of another solution. :)
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[QUOTE=Jenny_RR] Anyone else's apartment morphing into a hair salon? :)

Absolutley... I bought an extra ironing board for my work bench. Sometimes I'll be in the basement working on hair and my man is in his(sacred) work room fixing RC cars or whatever else hes piddling with! Awe!!!Aren't we cute?!!!!
Anyone have suggestions for containers to keep hair organized? Mines in a hat box...but its not very tidy! That may be an interesting thread to start?!
Miss Fina...You mailed that WAWA yet? (Sorry, I'm geekin!) I have a shark hand held with upholstry/garment attachment. Hope that works...I'll find out soon!
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I vote that we all take a picture of our bathroom counters on a "typical" day (i.e getting ready, hmmm. looks like I could use *just a bit here*, whoa, didn't notice how *bad* that looked over there, hmm, didn't I have some of those old hot rollers somewhere? etc etc.)

OK I'm adding a steamer to the mix. . .my hair seems to have reached "critical mass" -- it's kinda yucky right now. . .maybe I've overdone the fabric softener, and the curling iron. Can I steam it WITH ROLLERS IN IT so it doesn't go stick straight???

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What do you think about adding some fab. softener in the water part of the steamer?
It is what it is...
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Well, mine...but that's obvious. The steamer's super-handy, though; I can do my own dry-cleaning. :)

-Rae
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