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    Posted: January 17 2006 at 9:05pm
Laffin, Monsterita. I'm such a DIYer that I did my own divorce, and it
came out just fine! Especially with the Internet, the knowledge is there if
you're willing to search for it.
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When I did my own bleaching, I did spend ALOT of time reading the "going blonde" forum, checked out books on coloring from the library, and talked to my neighbor who is a stylist first.  But, the end result was that my hair turned out better than what the girl at the salon was charging me $125 for.  Wink

I can even do my own foiling.

I do usually go to the salon if I'm doing a drastic change, like dyed black to any other color, but by now, I've done just about everything to my hair, and I pretty much know what to do to avoid serious problems.

BTW, I'm a lawyer, and everything I do, people can do for themselves if they just know where to look for the information.  Shocked  That's what it's all about, isn't it?  A monopoly of information?

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Your right kristie,not everyone likes the salon.Its all about what keeps you happy.
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Originally posted by kristie m kristie m wrote:

Kudos to you, Kelly!

Thanks. The two pics in my sig were work of a professional. I had been diy bleaching for a few years (platinum blonde) and needed some help to get it back to my natural color. I only paid for lowlights twice and now I'm going back to diy. That was all I budgeted for and it was very tough before Christmas. Hopefully, just one more all over color will get me where I want to be. My whole goal is to get back to my natural color (between an 8 and 9 neutral to ash blonde) and then I won't have to worry about it.

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Longhairdreams, I guess I'm the odd woman who doesn't see going to the
salon as a treat. My self-neglect comes when I don't have quiet time
every day to read and contemplate. I'm a more well-cared-for woman
and a happier grandmom NOT having to go to the salon except for
haircuts. That's the only procedure I've learned the hard way not to do
myself!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Longhairdreams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2006 at 4:26pm
I agree,Obviously your children come before hair.But too many times even if the family has plenty of money the mom still neglects herself. Thats why I think going to the salon can be a nice treat.You get some fun time to yourself,and some needed confidence.I think its important as a mom to treat yourself so you dont get burnt out.I only get out once a week(with the kids).And let me tell you it takes its toll.So I dont feel bad if I want to go to the salon once a month.I dont now,but have in the past.A happy mom is going to be able to take care of her children better than a worn out beaten down one.Thats just my two cents.
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Kudos to you, Kelly!

I'm a marriage and family therapist. I advise some people who consult
me about family therapy that the time and money spend on therapy
frequently can be better and more beneficially used for playtime with
their children.

I first became a DIY hair person as a single mom. There were times my
son and I were eating waffles for dinner because we didn't have anything
else in the house. (Funny, but at 26 he remembers those times as really
special and fun!) I had NO money for upkeep on my hair and nails but
was as fussy about how they looked as I am now. Practice and necessity
can make a "lay" person into a pretty good cosmetologist. You've
obviously got YOUR priorities straight!
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Originally posted by metalgirl metalgirl wrote:

So many times you get what you pay for....

Maybe someday people will realize it takes several years of practice and studying color theory to be a good colorist.  That's what you pay for, a professionals experience, when you go to a salon to get a service performed.

It makes me frustrated that people think it's so easy to perform profesionnal quality services, when most hair dressers spend a lot of time and money taking classes honing their skills, whether it be hair color, cutting, or extensions.

 

Oh well, at home colorists add positively to my cash flow when they call and want me to fix what they messed up! 

Sorry for the attitude, I just want to be paid what I'm worth without people questioning it. After all, would you hesistate in paying your doctor or lawyer their fee?

I can totally understand where you are coming from, but so many times 'Moms' sacrifice for the greater good. Things are very tight for us right now and if it comes between doing it myself and spending that money on our boys doing something fun.......the kiddos will win every time. I've made my mistakes at home, but through the process I have learned alot. There are certain techniques I won't attempt (like lowlights/highlights), but in many cases if you do your homework you can achieve a result very close to what a pro can do.

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hey Julz .. i totally feel you.. i have BLACK hair naturally and am now a bleached blonde... Its SOOO much work.. and money ..

i get my hair done every 6 weeks and it costs like a 100 everytime.. i would like to get it done every 4 but my colorist encourages me to wait a lil more..

she highlights my roots in foils and when she gets to the top she does a lot more bleach

I did try to do it myself once, figuring if i could, then i wouldnt have to pay so much money .. but i ended up getting orangey roots cause i didnt leave the bleach on long enough and then i ended up having to get that corrected and then a bunch of my hair broke and i had little tiny one inch hairs i was constantly patting down..

i would really love to do it myself too but im scared after what happened last time.. my mistake before took months to finally grow and look better..

anyway.. who knows maybe you could.. but its tricky.. i think the timing is crucial and the type of bleach is important too..

being blonde is hard if your really not :(

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Maybe i'm in the minority(Ok I am).But I like roots.I'm not talking 4 inches of black roots next to platinum hair ala shakira.But a dark base covered in light and dark blonde highlights can look really good.I like roots so much I added them all over a wig a just bought.It was just too perfect looking which made it look fake,IMHO.

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Metalgirl:You are right.You get what you pay for.A good stylist is obviously going to charge more.Its just sad cause there are alot of people out their charging rediculous prices for crappy services. But I say if you found a good stylist you can trust you cant put a pricetag on that.

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Metalgirl, I agree with you, mostly. I think most color processes on most
people should be done by a professional. However, I have a problem with
the common professional mindset that ANY non-professional who
attempts to do their own color is a fool. (I'm not saying that this is the
position YOU were taking in your post, however.) Certain color processes
are relatively easy to understand and do if a non-professional takes the
time to learn, practice, and use good products.

I dye from a Level 5 Ash to a Level 3-4 Auburn. I went to a good stylist/
colorist when I changed from black to auburn. She color-corrected me
and got me started with my current color. She told me my "formula" so I
could purchase the right professional products to do my own color. She
cuts my hair every eight weeks or so, and always comments on the fact
that I do my own coloring as well as a professional could.

Granted, my color process isn't very complicated, but my point is that I
manage to do it very well. I've read on the Color Forum and on other hair
message boards that there are lots of people like me who do their own
color successfully.

My reasons for doing my own color are the same as why I've learned to do
my own manicures, pedicures and body hair removal as well -- I'm one of
those rare women who doesn't enjoy the "beauty shop" experience, but
am really picky about how my hair and nails look, and like my body hair
removed frequently. For me, being a DIYer has little if anything to do
with money. Even when I really like my cosmetologist, I find the whole
process of making an appointment, driving to and from the appointment,
and spending hours chatting with someone to be tiresome. Often, even
with a really good cosmetologist, I walk away not completely happy with
the results and knowing I could do a better job. Also, I'm kind of weird
about my physical space and would prefer only to let people I really love
get that close to me. (Yep, I hate going to the doctor and dentist as well.)

As far as your comment about doctors and lawyers, I am a licensed
psychotherapist by trade. My profession requires six years of college and
3000 hours of experience before licensure. I have been working
successfully in my field for over 20 years. My rate per hour is $120. I
feel I'm worth this amount, at least, for the work I do. Yet I understand
when people don't want to pay this much, or can't afford it, so choose to
talk to a pastor or friend for free, or see an intern in training for a few
bucks, rather than come to me and pay top dollar for therapy. I
acknowledge that some of this help may not be helpful, and may in fact
be damaging. However, I also fully believe (and have research to support)
the fact that some "lay" helpers are just as effective as some
professionals. So much of being a good therapist, or being a good stylist
or colorist, is art rather than knowledge or technique.

The other fact I acknowledge is that consenting adults have the right to
mess up their own minds, or their own hair, if they so choose. I don't feel
one bit insulted when a person questions the cost or value of professional
therapy and looks for alternatives that may be more affordable for him or
her.

Sorry if I'm ranting here but this is something about which I too feel very
stongly.

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So many times you get what you pay for....

Maybe someday people will realize it takes several years of practice and studying color theory to be a good colorist.  That's what you pay for, a professionals experience, when you go to a salon to get a service performed.

It makes me frustrated that people think it's so easy to perform profesionnal quality services, when most hair dressers spend a lot of time and money taking classes honing their skills, whether it be hair color, cutting, or extensions.

 

Oh well, at home colorists add positively to my cash flow when they call and want me to fix what they messed up! 

Sorry for the attitude, I just want to be paid what I'm worth without people questioning it. After all, would you hesistate in paying your doctor or lawyer their fee?



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I would suggest that if you are a level 1 and are going to a light blonde either a 9 or 10, paying $125.00 is a very reasonable price to pay.  To do what you are looking for, I would charge around $150 - $170.  How long does it take your stylist to perform your service?

And to moffpoff, yes you probably do have some damage around your hairline.  Those hairs are very fragile.

I would be very carefull with bleach.  It only takes once to severely damage your hair.  Good luck!!!

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I have a question for you proffesional girls, Do you think that overexposure to bleaching and colouring can destroy the hair follicel?So that it does not grow out?

Cause i have about coloured my hair 50-60 times and bleach 30-40times..O.o and im only 17! so now im cutting down on my Proccesing....

i never have had any scalpdamage or burns. My hair is also weary strong and takes a lot abuse(i keep it generally short). The only thing i noticed is that in the corners of my frontal hair line,  has become weary thin and fine(i think they have been broken off) It`s there..just thin and ligth. Wut ju think?

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When I say that my hair is dark.. I mean.. my hair is BLACK! & I usually set with bleach on my hair anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes!
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I've been blonde for two short periods of my life, and both times, I bleached my own roots.  I was always very careful to just do my roots and not overlap the bleach, and never had a problem.   But, I have very tough hair that can withstand a lot of abuse.

I used Wella products from Sally's and conditioned alot.

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I totally understand where you are coming from.   BUT after seeing what my girlfriend did to her hair..I will NEVER try it on my own.  She bleached out her own hair and it felt and looked like over cooked spagetti!

Maybe look around for a stylist that is not as expensive and tell her exactly what you want.  I recently found a new girl that does my roots and foils (half head) for $50.00  .  I had to guide her the first time..but what my previous stylist was doing wasn't rocket science...so it was an easy transitioin. 

Good luck! ;o)

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I understand but, when my new growth rears its ugly head, it looks like a level 2 or 3 next to my 10.  I am a natural 5/6. That is why I asked her natural level.

Any time you lift a darker level, you more than likely have to tone.  The natural underlying pigment is a major contributing factor no matter what your natural level is.  Certainly high lift is somewhat safer than slapping bleach on her head!!!

So many people try to lift a blonde to a 10 before stopping the lightening process.  This is where the damage comes in.  I will never recommend someone using bleach at home!!! I have so many people come in with an at home bleaching kit with tons of damage.  All it takes is 1 or 2 minutes longer on the phone with her girl friend before she has pocket hair ( hair that falls of and then she has to tote it in her pocket)! 

I guess what I am trying to say is that there are alot of factors that play in to acheiving a beautiful blonde.  Not all blondes are created equal!!! Higher levels are much more of a sensitive service than a simple color retouch. There are alot of things that can go wrong.  And, you need to be totally prepared to handle them. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FabulousHairExt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2006 at 12:20am
smshands28 do keep in mind that she said her hair is very dark naturally, if she use's a highlift she WILL end up orange and/or gold and very brassy.
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I agree about the bleach being harsh on the hair.  I am a stylist that does mostly color.  I am training to be an Artistic Color Educator.  There are several different ways you can approach this...

How long is your hair? What is your natural level? Do you have any color on your hair (bleach is not a color!)? What type of color, permenant or demi? How much new growth do you have? What is your desired level?

I am a natural level 5 and go 9 every 3-4 weeks and use lightener (bleach) for some highlights to break it up a bit.  I do not use lightener to acheive a level 9!!! Only a few highlights in the crown and to frame my face.

I do alot of high lift blondes only because my first priority is to preserve the integrity of their hair.

I hope this will help.

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