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When I grow up I want to be Oprah or DivaVocal. I think I will choose DivaVocal. You  go girl, I have been so confused..

Jody 1hairlover 

mokipono wrote: ...I believe since hair extensions have gotten so popular the term "unprocessed" can apply to any hair that does not use an acid bath...

But once it's been colored, permed or texturized, it's no longer unprocessed.. Even the folks at EP don't call their hair unprocessed..

sherrie215 wrote: LOL Diva....yeah it shows....jus' a lil' bit!

Okay I CAVE.. I love the RK hair I've been wearing.. but my first love will always be EP.. **sigh**

That's why I am soooo excited that AMM now has relaxed textured Elite Remy hair!!!! YEAH!!!!!

***waitin' to see the samples***

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kristie m wrote: Wow! Lots of good information, and well-written too! Thanks so much. These post should go over to the permanent section at the top so the information is right there for newbies and those of us who get lost periodically trying to keep track of the ins and outs of extension hair. (And now I know why my Remy hair is Remy hair and why I love it so much!)

Gosh thanks.. Just happy to contribute something helpful..

nursie wrote: YAY!   when i read the topic of this post i KNEW DivaVocals (aka the HairBuyingGoddessWhoLOOOOOOOVESExtensions-PLUS) would thoroughly answer the question!!   i read your explanation of remi/single/double/handtied/machine etc on BHM a while back and now dammit i think i am *almost as addicted to buying more hair as you are           (Diva,your info is always Superb )

Thanks so much.. does my love for EP hair really show THAT much!!. Okay yeah.. jus' a lil' bit..

nooooooooooooooo, i opened my credit card statement today, and this was the *special note at the bottom:

 

Dear credit card holder:

We have noticed a sudden, repeated, and rather frequent use of this account for the purchase of wefted hair,pretipped hair,indian hair,SuperHairFactory,JetsetExtensions,HairDirect,HairExtens ions101(shout out to sherri!),shrinkies.net,RKhairproducts.......and even some more that are hidden on page 45 of this monthly statement. We at Visa have decided to notify your husband of the apparent sudden addiction you are struggling with and you may just notice HIS credit card missing after he is made aware of just the ENORMITY of (unnecessary) purchases of hair that you have made.

no worries though......he likes my hair

i kinda keep buying stuff i find that i like too, cause what if when i need more i cant find it !!!!

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YAY!   when i read the topic of this post i KNEW DivaVocals (aka the HairBuyingGoddessWhoLOOOOOOOVESExtensions-PLUS) would thoroughly answer the question!!   i read your explanation of remi/single/double/handtied/machine etc on BHM a while back and now dammit i think i am *almost as addicted to buying more hair as you are        

 

(Diva,your info is always Superb )

marie87 wrote: I have ordered single and double drawn from indianhairs and the double drawn is a little more expensive because they are cuting off the ends ind tossing them instead of adding them to the weight and charging you for it. I perfer it because then I know I wont have 4 to 5 or in some cases more hair at the botom I can't use. With this company I know it's remy and it's virgin hair but with colored and processed hair It's hard to trust anything they say.

Double drawn hair (from the companies who offer double drawn as well as single drawn options) is always more expensive than single drawn hair.. Not to stray too far off the original topic, but if you are referring to IH.com's sister company, RK does sell Remy hair. Yes they do also sell Non Remy hair, and believe it or not RK spells it out very simply in their product descriptions.. (probably too simply which is why I called to confirm the descriptions) If you go to RKs site, any hair that does not include the word Remy in the description is NOT remy hair.. I spent a bit of time communicating with Vanka from IH.com to get the scoop on the RK hair..

Also, if you search through past threads on this forum for members reviewing RKs hair, I think you will find that the common problem with RK seems to be 2 things:

1. People who bought the RK wavy hair not realizing that this hair is not remy hair.
2. RK's lighter colors are probably overprocessed. (I came to this conclusion based on the feedback on this hair that other members have posted..) 

Whereas the darker hairs have gotten better reviews (including my own review and a VERY recent thread from AMM on RK hair..)

As for other companies with processed hair?? I KNOW the companies I named (Extensions Plus, Mark Barrington, and Great Lengths) all use remy hair. Extensions Plus has an IMPECCABLE reputation, and I believe that they are the source for the Mark Barrington hair. IMO, while Great Lengths has issues with the (mis)information they put out about extensions in general, (and their process in specific) at least one thing is true, their hair is indeed remy hair as well.. I'll add some other companies to this list that I KNOW carry quality processed Remy hair: Elite Remy, Bliss, Giovanni & Sons, & Jet Set Extensions...

Making sure you get Remy hair when you ask for it is really a matter of knowing what to look for, the right questions to ask, and getting feedback from others who've used the hair.

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De nada!

IMO, I have seen the most inconsistency in how various vendors "define" and use the terms Remy or Remi, processed hair, single  and double drawn. So here’s the breakdown..

Remy (AKA Remi) Hair: Simply is the hair-bundle, with hair arranged in such a way that the roots of all the hair are on one end of the bundle, and the ends on the other end of the bundle. Remi hair has its cuticles intact. In other words, all the cuticles are unidirectional (in same direction) and are undisturbed.
Remi Hair is sold in two forms:

• Remy Hair Single Drawn: This hair is collected by shaving the head and hence each bundle of hair is like a pony tail with different hair lengths but with the very short hairs taken out. For example: in a bundle of 20" "Remi hair single drawn" you could find hair of size 14" 16", 18" 20"
• Remy Hair Double Drawn: This is usually the most expensive hair. This is single drawn hair which has been cut on both ends so that the whole bundle of hair is the same length. For Example 20" of Remi Double Drawn hair-bundle will have all the hair of 20" (hair is drawn by hand, not by machine hence small error is evitable). It does not have any short hair inside.

Non Remy Hair: Also called fallen hair. This hair has their roots and ends mixed up. They have problem of tangling as the cuticles are not in same direction. This hairs is not very expensive. Though this kind of hair has problems, it is still the most popular hair sold in the world. Most BSS hair is Non Remy hair. Non Remy hair is sold as Double Drawn hair and has two kinds of quality.

• Tangle Free Non Remy Hair: Sometimes referred to as “cuticle hair”. This is Non Remy Hair where the cuticles have been chemically removed (usually by dipping the hair in acid). This hair has gone through an acid bath stripping most of the cuticle from the hair. The cuticle removal helps prevent tangling from misaligned cuticles. The hair is then dipped in silicone in an attempt to give the hair a healthy appearance. The hair will appear beautiful and shiny at first, but after shampooing and styling, the silicone coating eventually wears off. The hair will eventually become tangled, dry and unmanageable.
• Normal Non Remy Hair: This is the least expensive hair available, but it has the most tangling problems as cuticles are misaligned.

Hair collection Myths:

• Single drawn: Refers to the collection method, and if the vendor is REALLY selling genuine single drawn hair, then it SHOULD BE Remy hair..
• Double drawn: Used by itself this is simply a term used to imply that the hair has been cut on both ends to even the hair length, this tells you nothing about the collection method used or if the cuticles are intact or even aligned in the same direction.

Virgin vs Processed hair:

• Virgin (Unprocessed hair) As the term implies this is unprocessed hair in it’s natural state from the donor. This hair will retain the natural color, texture and curl pattern of the donor wearer. Virgin hair is almost always Remy hair.
• Processed hair: Extension hair that has been processed will have undergone one of more of the following processes:
  1. Coloring
  2. Perming
  3. Texturing
  4. Acid bath

The first three processes create the various hair textures and colors we are all looking for. (curly, wavy, relaxed, blondes, reds, etc.) However, Remy hair will only undergo the first three processes. Most Non Remy hair will also go through the fourth process (acid wash -- explained above)

 

A very common misconception is that if hair has been processed, then it’s not Remy hair. This is not true. It’s very possible for hair to be both Remy hair and processed hair. Extensions Plus hair is a good example of (high quality) processed Remy hair. Mark Barrington’s hair as well as the Great Lengths hair is another example of processed (high quality) Remy hair. All of these processed hairs are Remy because they are only processed to achieve certain textures or colors. They are all cuticle aligned, cuticle intact hair.

 

There is ONLY one thing that distinguishes Remy hair from it’s Non Remy counter parts -- the cuticles. If the cuticles are stripped from the hair, or the cuticles are misaligned, then it’s NOT Remy hair.

When buying hair you must clarify with the vendor what kind of hair you are actually buying. Just because the package says it's REMY does not mean that the hair is really REMY. Make sure who ever you buy hair from tells you what they mean when they say Remy hair. No matter what description the vendor uses, ALWAYS ask the vendor if the hair is CUTICLE INTACT, CUTICLE ALIGNED hair.

 

If you run across any vendors who try to tell you that the hair cuticles being aligned or intact does not matter... RUN FAR AWAY.. Any hair with the cuticles misaligned (going in opposite directions) or where the cuticles have been stripped from the hair is going to dry out, shed and/or mat & tangle HORRIBLY -- eventually (usually SOONER than later)

 

I know this is lengthy, but I hope it helps..

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