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    Posted: September 17 2007 at 11:25pm
Divavocals, Good post.
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Hope the best for you Divavocals.

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Lady Esquire, Femmemuscle, e.t al.
 
Bravo ladies for laying it down.. I am in the process of transitioning from relaxed to natural.. Not because of any great revelation to go natural, but because I have been wearing weaves the last two years as I transition from a SUPER SHORT (Halley Berry/Fantasia short) hair cut back to the past shoulder length locs I had before cutting it short.. I haven't relaxed anything but the parts of my hair that I leave out for blending. However, I stopped relaxing that part in October of last year. I have since opted for full weaves with closures.
 
I have worn relaxers on my hair since I was 16.. (with the exception of the Jheri Curl years **don't trip.. some of your went there too **) I never wanted a relaxer because I wanted to be white.. I never hated my hair, and I never wanted the 3a/3b hair that my father and brothers had.. I have always loved my naps.. However it was always a matter of ease of styling for me.. I have THICK 4a/4b hair, and a wide tooth comb is a MUST in my world..(ya feel me??LOLLOL) The relaxer simply made styling a lot easier, and that is my own personal choice for working with my hair.
 
Next year when I do my three year check on my hair growth progress, I'll decide whether or not I will stick with the weave or go back to wearing my own hair out.. I will likely wear the weave for one more year to allow my hair to rest as I move towards my ultimate hair length goal.
 
Will I relax then?? Maybe.. We'll see.. I might give going without the relaxer a shot for a while, and see how it goes.. It doesn't matter which choice I make.. It isn't about wanting to be white.. It's about keeping a healthy head of hair, and it about wanting to do what works for me..
 
BTW, I NEVER limited my lifestyle choice based on hairstyle.. I swim, workout, and do anything I want regardless of whether I'm natural, relaxed, or weaved up.. My hair doesn't dictate my lifestyle choices!
 
Originally posted by femmemuscle femmemuscle wrote:

Madame Walker revolutionized the hot comb..but more than just AA women were buying them...the straightening iron is used by every culture that can afford one today..
Madame CJ Walker is often miscredited with inventing the straightening comb.. She actually did not invent this tool. However there are records which indicate that one point her company owned a patent that they purchased from a gentleman who held a patent for a particular brand of hot comb..


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What I really want to know is what's the big deal?  It seems to me as if whenever some people choose to go natural with their hair they feel that they must question those who choose to relax their hair.  I can see the beauty of all kinds of hair: natural, braids, dreads, relaxed, colored, you name it.  I could easily question people who choose to dye their hair blonde or red when it is "naturally" black or dark brown.  That's not their natural coloring.  Or I could question people with naturally straight hair who choose to get a perm to make their hair curly.  The fact of the matter is that there's different strokes for different folks.  If a person chooses to go natural, more power to you.  It's your decision.  But if a person chooses to keep relaxing their hair, why is that so horrible?  It's not like they are trying to deny the fact that they are black.  They know they are, and they are proud.  At the end of the day, it's just hair, and people are free to do whatever they want with it.  You just have to listen to it.  If your hair reacts badly with relaxers, you may want to go natural.  But I've seen people on Fotki with beautiful, healthy relaxed hair.  I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I just really don't understand what the big deal is.

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I will tell you the truth the best way that I can. I dont believe everyone is obsessed with straight hair I just believe for African Americans it is just less of a hassle to deal with straight hair as opposed to your natural texture. You can grow to love your texture but for some it's just too much of a hassle. It is a conscious choice not just something we are bullied into. If you go to Mcdonalds to eat your meal is that to say your lazy and just are too cheap to buy real food. No, it's simply that it is much easier and that is what people should realize.
I find it contradictory for someone with natural hair to talk all day about being natural and so on but will constantly braid, weave, straighten,or curl their hair. Some will even change their hair color but still look at someone with relaxed hair and spit out some poetry about natural-ness.
When I was a little girl I remember asking my mom for a relaxer not because I had a white neighbor that lived next door to me and we played all the time with one another for over 8 years, but because all the other black girls were getting their hair done. That is a misconception to believe that we do what we do because of white people, maybe you did it for white people but when I went natural 3 times in my 20 years of life I couldn't handle it and decided to go relaxer because it's much bettter.
In closing, you say that we lose our hair but I know many of little children and grown adult alike walking around with damn near no hair(natural hair). So what say you?

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Femmemuscle, LAY DOWN THE KNOWLEDGE, girl. And you were so right when you said that every culture finds something about another's to emulate...it is human nature.

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Originally posted by femmemuscle femmemuscle wrote:

I second that emotion..maybe some folks don't know this, but most white women who didn't know what a straigthening comb was, back in the day, would lay their head/hair on an ironing board, and run a hot iron over it, to make it straight..Madame Walker revolutionized the hot comb..but more than just AA women were buying them...the straightening iron is used by every culture that can afford one today..

Weaves were not introduced by AA women, they were worn since the early twenties by caucasion women of high status - either that or wigs, and became popular in the 1940's...why? extensions were much more affordable due to the death camps..they cut off the jewish women's hair, and sold it, or used it to stuff mattresses..
 
I distinctly remember having an old beat-up mattress from the goodwill when i was a kid..we thought the mattress had bedbugs...this was the hair coming through little holes in the mattress mesh which was striped.it was beginning to irritate our skin...my brother cut into it thinking bugs would come climbing out...and we saw nothing but boxsprings and dark short to medium length hair...which was causing the prickliness...
 
Every culture finds something about another culture that's attractive..it has always been human behavior to emulate what we think it's attractive...this has been known throughout history..if you don't think it's true...try finding out where breast implants came from...The japanese women...they found that in order to keep an american soldier, they had to emulate the american woman's big breasts....
 
thus, they started out with silicon injections..
 
 
HAHA! There are white girls in my school who use the "iron board" technique. They either use a towel and use an iron to straighten there hair. And others just use the iron without anything really.
 
But me personally, I like straight hair. I think it easier to manage but yes sometimes I do want to grow my hair out back natural. I don't know. For me its just conveinance. Right now I'm just rocking a real short cut. And trying to start out fresh.
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I second that emotion..maybe some folks don't know this, but most white women who didn't know what a straigthening comb was, back in the day, would lay their head/hair on an ironing board, and run a hot iron over it, to make it straight..Madame Walker revolutionized the hot comb..but more than just AA women were buying them...the straightening iron is used by every culture that can afford one today..

Weaves were not introduced by AA women, they were worn since the early twenties by caucasion women of high status - either that or wigs, and became popular in the 1940's...why? extensions were much more affordable due to the death camps..they cut off the jewish women's hair, and sold it, or used it to stuff mattresses..
 
I distinctly remember having an old beat-up mattress from the goodwill when i was a kid..we thought the mattress had bedbugs...this was the hair coming through little holes in the mattress mesh which was striped.it was beginning to irritate our skin...my brother cut into it thinking bugs would come climbing out...and we saw nothing but boxsprings and dark short to medium length hair...which was causing the prickliness...
 
Every culture finds something about another culture that's attractive..it has always been human behavior to emulate what we think it's attractive...this has been known throughout history..if you don't think it's true...try finding out where breast implants came from...The japanese women...they found that in order to keep an american soldier, they had to emulate the american woman's big breasts....
 
thus, they started out with silicon injections..
some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.
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" i don't think black women straighten their hair cuz they feel crappy if they're nappy! "
 
 
MzFrizz, you got me in here rolling!!!!   LOLLOLLOL
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TRUTH!

destroying hair to look good is not isolated to black women. all kinds of ladies do crazy stuff to change their hair!

i think society, as well as divisions within cultures play a role in destroying self esteem, to the point where someone might feel they had to relax their kinks.
 
i am not saying that straightening your hair means you feel worthless, quite the opposite, i say do what you want with your hair. 
 
i also think most women straighten their hair because a majority of curly haired folk have major tangle, and shrinkage issues, i don't think black women straighten their hair cuz they feel crappy if they're nappy!
 


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this question comes up a lot on AA forums..when i saw this posted, i thought, oh gawd, not again...on the Black hair media forum, the subject went from why many nationalities want to "look white" to, "black women hate ourselves if they wear their hair straight"...
 
Then it became ugly, why? there were some who just didn't agree with the majority.- thank gawd for those who choose to do whatever they to their hair without being judgemental of themselves or others..what was worse, the ones within the majority were just followers..
 
when the followers agreed more, then the more outspoken of the majority became more vociferous, with personal attacks, and calling the ones with valid posts (me, and a few others in particular) - "uppity"...why? because wearing straight hair does not change ones IQ, nor their social status...if you are beautiful inside and out, it does not matter how you wear your hair...
 
The "individuals" who were very few, knew our history, we also were far more in touch with our own individuality, as well as other cultures, including Asian, African to Brazilian....i prefer curly hair...but having ones hair straight doesn't make one iota of difference of who we are...indie arie once sang a song "I am not my hair"..."If i want to wear it straight, or i want to rock loc's it don't take a bit away from the soul that I got"..
 
As for weaves..I finally found some who grew my hair out by wearing weaves..my hair was in patches after non-experienced beauticians kept "experimenting" with my past shoulder length long unmanageable kinky/indian hair..white, black asian, hispanic beauticians - all nationalities had no idea, about perming or were jealous..
 
I went to this beautician, finally who has grown my hair back to shoulder length, full, and thick as ever, by wearing - yes, a weave - without using a perm..she and i are very proud of 9+ months of hair growth..before i had bald patches - thanks to every beautician who had no idea of how to perm/maintain hair that long....Now i have options with my hair, - and if i want to wear it straight, or i want to rock loc's....
some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.
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When I was in 10th grade, I started getting my hair pressed every 1-2 weeks and by the time I was in 11th grade everyone thought I had a weave because my hair had grown longer and it was really thick and now my hair isnt as long as it was 5 years ago but my hair is 10 times healthier when I keep my hair straight and wrap it every night.  Plus damage only occurs if you dont know how to take care of your hair.  If u are putting gel, water, hairspray, mousse.....etc then of course your hair will look a mess, damaged and dryed out when you press it
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I really disagree with that statement "black women are obsessed with having straight hair." It's an insulting generalization. It's like saying "Why are tall people obsessed with appearing shorter?" It's simply not the case.
(I'm 5'10" and love it.)
 
Anyway, how does changing your hairstyle make you "more" or "less" black? Last time I checked, my melanocytes don't produce more or less pigment and my bone structure doesn't morph as I change my hairstyle.
 
I think I look equally as stunning with a lion's mane fro as with a straighter look. The only thing that frustrates me to the point of screaming is my hair shrinking after it gets wet but that's because of the manual labor not my "blackness."
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Originally posted by HairAddict HairAddict wrote:

LadyEsquire, that was a very poignant and very well put answer. Clap

 
I second that complement!! Right on Point! Thank you!
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thanks girl. i wish oprah or tyra would have a series on healthy hair.  even BET could have a series like this.

most black women still believe that long hair is only obtained thru weaves or genes.  but it can be grown by everyone. 

i am a former weave-wearer and it became a crutch. i also used to relax bone straight and had really bad hair habits.

so if we can share a lot of what many of us have learned to the masses, it would be great. i am tired of seeing our women with clear edges, stringy ends, lumps from tracks, fried from hot irons and curlers,  crusty from piles of gel, dry from not washing it in over a month, and so on....

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LadyEsquire, that was a very poignant and very well put answer. Clap

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Society does play a major role in our decision to relax our hair.  It does not necessarily come from whites, because in my experience it is your own people who will tell you that you need a perm first.
This is most especially true if your hair is course. 

I love natural hair.  In fact, I went natural for a 12-month period last year and I loved the freedom.  I never realized how much restrictions the relaxer placed on us and how we treat our hair, for example: not swimming, running from the rain, some women won't work out, etc....

Also, I went natural in my late 20s, and that was the first time I really took the time to truly learn, appreciate, and understand my natural texture.  I had been relaxed since I was 11, so it was real education for me during my natural phase.

I had planned on staying natural until I purchased Carolyn Gray's book, "How to Have Healthier Hair in 6 Weeks."  I had also discovered Caroline Howse and her hair regimine.  Both of these women had full, healthy heads of hair and both were relaxed.  In fact Carolyn Gray has 4B hair, like me, and her hair was long while relaxed. 

Shoot, if I had hair like Terry Ellis Ross, I would have never relaxed my hair.  But I have hair that has a ridiculous amount of shrinkage, and it snaps and pops when trying to detangle.  Most of all, I love the sleekness and manageability that relaxers afford us.

I do not think my decision to relax stems from my wanting to be white or closer to white.  I have never had a desire to be  anything other than what I am: a beautiful black woman with full lips, thick hair, and this skin of mine is simply gorgeous.  LOL

I am black and I am proud!!! 
If it weren't for these tightly-coiled curls, I would not have the body and volume.  I do not relax 100% because I know that my hair is and will always be curly, and keeping some of that curl makes me that more beautiful.  Some other races pay good money for curls and volume.

With that said, I am not oblivious to the politics that surround black hair.  I grew up in a beauty salon.  My mother owned a few salons when I was growing up.  Two of my three sisters are beauticians as well. 

So hair has always been an important element in my life.  One of my sisters has 3a/b hair.  My dad would and still does, blatantly say she is the prettiest of all the sisters.  When I cut my hair into a Halle Berry haircut, he was very displeased and did not hold his tongue.  My mom also used the words, "nappy" and the negative term "good-hair" my entire life.  I grew up thinking that some people can simply grow hair while others cannot.  It wasn't until I grew older that I had to unlearn a lot of those negative stereotypes and images.

Bottom line, a lot of what we know is passed on from our parents, and from their parents, and so on.  Boards like this one, books, and other forms of information are helping to dispell the untruths, and helping to inform black women, and teach them to understand and love their hair.

The more women read and learn about healthy hair, they will opt to not relax it bone straight.  And those that do, if they have good habits, know how to maintain it.
It is no longer a matter of wanting to be white.  That is an issue of 50 years ago.  In this day and age, it is a matter of not depending on the weave so much, and beleiving that we all can GROW hair, whether it is relaxed bone straight or natural.
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Originally posted by MinnyMiss16 MinnyMiss16 wrote:

lolz! but i choose to have straight hair because my natural hair is way toooooo unmanageable! before i had a relaxer, just combingmy hair was such a hassle, hey, if you dont believe me. u should try combing through my new growth(lolz)! Back to the point- its not because i feel as if it is ugly, just harder! Trust me, If i had manageable natural hair, you would see me rockin an afro everyday.LOL
 
I am bandnewbie! and I agree with MinnyMiss. I love natural hair on women, I admire it. I don't have any success with taking care of my own natural hair. I get more breakage and damage from trying to detangle and comb my matted tangled hair.  My hair realxed looks healthy and does not break when I keep keep it conditioned.

I guess everyone is different.
 
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lolz! but i choose to have straight hair because my natural hair is way toooooo unmanageable! before i had a relaxer, just combingmy hair was such a hassle, hey, if you dont believe me. u should try combing through my new growth(lolz)! Back to the point- its not because i feel as if it is ugly, just harder! Trust me, If i had manageable natural hair, you would see me rockin an afro everyday.LOL
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My truth is: Im not obsessed about having staight hair, I am most concerned with having healthy hair.  Many times having straight hair can lead to breakage from relaxers if hair is not properly taken care of.  However my hair grows the longest when it is straighten.
 
As a child before any relaxer or hot comb, my hair was short above my ears.  Even when I began getting it pressed (hot combed) it was still fairly short. But after getting relaxers, my hair took off.  Down my back! (I had the longest & prettest hair in the nieghborhood, if I may say so myself. lol)  I guess straight hair was just more manegable and I had less breakage from detangling my natural naps.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 


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