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    Posted: June 27 2002 at 10:38pm
Hi Phix
I am sure many people who posted have had emotional ties to an animal. That does not mean that they will automatically be against animal testing. I had pets that I cared for growing up but I am not against animal testing when it is needed.
I think this entire thread was pointless.You would have to live under a rock not to know about animal testing.It certainly doesn`t matter to me what brand tests on animals or doesn`t. If the product works I will use it.
Just because you did a "report" on it Phix does not mean you know what the facts are. Your post sounds far to hostile for you to have an objective opinion on this subject or for you to be taken seriously.
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Wow I cant believe some of you! Did you even read what oOoStArSpArKoOo had to say?? Or just too damn lazy to try? I did a report on animal testing and how unnecessary it is and how there are much better methods now. And you still think animals should be tested? Yes, I would rather have it tested somehow b4 i used it but not that way!

Some of you obviously have not had a meaningful relationship with an animal. The people that do these horrible tests should be the ones being tested. Id gladly pour the bottle on THEM, put toxins in THEIR eyes, make THEM ingest absurd amounts of medicine to "see what happens" and perhaps I`ll make up my own "tests"..... :)
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PETA = People for Ethical Treatment of Animals
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I don`t think that animals deserve to be treated as humans(I`m sorry if there is someone out there who thinks otherwise, but getting your dog $100 collars is just a little strange(Sorry, I did sortof phrase that so that it sounded like I felt animals should be treated as humans, so I won`t blame you for thinking that:D.)), but I believe that they diserve enough RESPECT from humans not to be mistreated. We have power over animals, and mistreating them like that is almost abusing that "power"(power doesn`t seem the right word but you get the idea).
I agree with Katie, and if you get the crazy idea that I don`t eat meat or something, then you are badly mistaken.
Also, you seem to think that I am saying this stuff because I believe everything by PETA. I have no clue what PETA is, but if you have something against them I would gladly listen, I just used that article for an example, but I`ve read other articles over the years that say baisicaly the same thing, so there`s got to be some truth in it.
I`m sorrry if I sound like I was preaching, everyone`s entitled to their own opinion, I was just highlighting some facts. The products do need to be tested, but if they could find a more "humane" way to test these products then I`m all for it:D.
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Originally posted by The Riddler The Riddler wrote:

Should they test on humans? Wouldn't you like a new product tested before you put it on your hair?

Tested sure I do. But does it make me feel good knowing that it was tested on a creature that is totally innocent and doesn`t deserve to be maltreated? I`d rather take the 10 seconds and turn a bottle over to read that it hasn`t been tested on animals. Obviously some health products should be tested, they could kill you. I`m just saying that if it was between a product that made my hair shiny and soft or knowing that I did not give my $3 to a company that is doing something unethical, I`d settle for a product that would not be tested on an animal. Don`t get me wrong, I`m not an extremist who doesn`t eat meat, or drink milk, or wear leather because I do. But I just think it should be something that is known to consumers. Why not just turn over a bottle and see if it is tested on animals. It doesn`t take long and I know it makes me feel better.

And this is not just directed at Riddler but anyone who cares and my only goal was to create awareness and I do not want to sound like I`m preaching. Thank you
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Originally posted by oOoStArSpArKoOo oOoStArSpArKoOo wrote:

I'm sorry to hear that you believe that animals are just animals, and deserve less respect than humans...but there is a point to this:
1. I don't know if it's like this anymore but the animals used to live in cages in the labritories, if you own a dog(or any animal)and acctually love it then maybe you should think of how it would react to living in a cage it's whole life.
2. (this one is slightly obvious)The animals are forced to have these products on them(most animals don't even like to take baths,"oh here boy, come here, I'm going to have this nice person hold you still so I can see if this new lipstick kills you or not.")
3. There are more accurite ways to test the effects of the products[if you read the aritcle you would clearly see]:
"We know that non-animal test methods exist right now and that these tests are more accurate in predicting toxicity than are crude, cruel tests on animals. It is the responsibility of the companies that kill animals in order to bring their products to market to convince the regulatory agencies that there is a better way to determine product safety."
4. The animal tests aren't that accurite[also from the article]:
"Companies resist progress because the crude nature of animal tests allows them to market many products that might be determined too toxic if cell culture tests were used."
...So as you can see the animal testing isn't really nessicary:).

1) you appear to believe animals deserve the same level of respect and treatment as humans
2) You beleive articals written by PETA

You have a right to your opinion... and knowing these two things about you allows me to better understand your posts... knowing that your opinion.. well... is from the same neighborhood as PETA`s
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I`m sorry to hear that you believe that animals are just animals, and deserve less respect than humans...but there is a point to this:
1. I don`t know if it`s like this anymore but the animals used to live in cages in the labritories, if you own a dog(or any animal)and acctually love it then maybe you should think of how it would react to living in a cage it`s whole life.
2. (this one is slightly obvious)The animals are forced to have these products on them(most animals don`t even like to take baths,"oh here boy, come here, I`m going to have this nice person hold you still so I can see if this new lipstick kills you or not.")
3. There are more accurite ways to test the effects of the products[if you read the aritcle you would clearly see]:
"We know that non-animal test methods exist right now and that these tests are more accurate in predicting toxicity than are crude, cruel tests on animals. It is the responsibility of the companies that kill animals in order to bring their products to market to convince the regulatory agencies that there is a better way to determine product safety."
4. The animal tests aren`t that accurite[also from the article]:
"Companies resist progress because the crude nature of animal tests allows them to market many products that might be determined too toxic if cell culture tests were used."
...So as you can see the animal testing isn`t really nessicary:).
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Originally posted by Katie Katie wrote:

I'm sorry to write such a disturbing post but I recently was bothered by news that many of the popular companies that produce haircare products, and many other everyday products, of their experimentation on animals. Companies such as Proctor & Gamble (Clairol, Cover Girl, Pantene, etc..) ; Helene Curtis (Finesse, Suave, Salon Selectives); and Alberto-Culver (Alberto VO5, Sally Beauty, and Tresemme) are just some of the companies. This is a link to many more companies that perform the this type of testing. I just think it should be something that people should know about. Justy please take a few minutes to check out the site. Thank you.

http://www.peta.org/mall/cc/cctest.html

Hi Katie...I`m making a new baby shampoo and do not want to use animale for testing bu tI am very worried about it burning babies eyes... do you have a baby or child that may be availible for my testing? Do get me wrong I love my dog... and your cats but they are DOGS AND CATS!
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Something I noticed at the top of the list--a slight inaccuracy--Alberto-Culver is followed by Sally Beauty Supply in parentheses. One might get the mistaken impression that everything in Sally is manufactured by Alberto; hence, everything is animal-tested. That`s certainly not true, because there are literally thousands of products in Sally, all by different companies. A few lines are manufactured by Alberto, but not all of them, that`s for sure. Just wanted to point that out :-)
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Should they test on humans? Wouldn`t you like a new product tested before you put it on your hair?
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I`m sorry to write such a disturbing post but I recently was bothered by news that many of the popular companies that produce haircare products, and many other everyday products, of their experimentation on animals. Companies such as Proctor & Gamble (Clairol, Cover Girl, Pantene, etc..) ; Helene Curtis (Finesse, Suave, Salon Selectives); and Alberto-Culver (Alberto VO5, Sally Beauty, and Tresemme) are just some of the companies. This is a link to many more companies that perform the this type of testing. I just think it should be something that people should know about. Justy please take a few minutes to check out the site. Thank you.

http://www.peta.org/mall/cc/cctest.html
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