QuoteReplyTopic: Help... with an IN BETWEEN shade. Posted: August 23 2008 at 10:04pm
I agree with Fakeizme and Karen S........it's so easy to blame everything on the box when something goes wrong. But most people do not have a basic understanding of hair color theory and principles, so they make fairly common mistakes.
But using professional colors gives you a lot more freedom and creativity...only if you have the knowledge ! I am *not* a professional, however coloring my hair different colors with various professional products the last 30 years has given me a lot of practical experience and understanding of hair color.
The suggestion to mix the custom shade you are wanting is your best bet...Yes, it's worth experimenting in this case.
One of my pet peeves is when people are a little TOO QUICK to say 'Get thee to a colorist. Don't do anything yourself! ' This advice may be technically correct, but it also assumes people are total idiots and cannot eventually learn the basic principles themselves. It does get expensive when you are constantly 'correcting' color by using professionals instead of just figuring out what you did wrong to begin with, and not making the same mistakes again. My love affair with hair color has had many trials, tribulations and triumphs !! And it's been worth it all.
Just my two cents.
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I totally agree with you when it comes to understand the condition of someones hair before the apply pro colours or boxed, as you said bleached, porous hair grabs onto hair like a sponge does with water.
This is what many need to understand, about colouring, try stick to a colour for a longer period and where possible use a semi or demi (quasi colour in the UK)
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I respect both Cheese and Karen's opinons on professional colour and understand why you both choose to use it.
Here's the thing: if a person knows nothing about colour and then uses a professional colour on their hair, it will be a disaster. If they use a drugstore colour --- it will also be a disaster (unless luck is on their side!).
It's hard to judge a client coming in a oo-ing and ah-ing over a boxed colour or hating it because there are so many factors (hair health, knowledge, application, patience). Boxed colour is just pre-mixed colour; it already has the brown in it. There are plenty of professional colours that are also made this way (Redken Fusion -- I think!). There's nothing innately wrong with this; it is the art of application that makes them a bomb-waiting-to-go off!
I think one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone puts colour on their hair (all over application) and then complains the boxed colour turned their hair black! Come to find out, the person has had bleach, colour, bleach and then colour stripped from their hair and it's overly porous. That's not the colour's fault.
Sorry, I got a bit excited!!
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I'm gathering you are a professional hairstylist based on that statement. In my opinion, boxed colours are just fine for DIY colourists and they do not destroy hair. I'm not sure why people say this. I've used boxed colour for years and only had problems when I started experimenting with professional colour. It's HOW the colour is applied that matters.
I think, like box color, some folks have great luck with these products, and some don't. But hair color is truly a fairly exact science.
By "how the color is applied", I gather you mean the technique or the mixing ratio of the products? I personally find the application part the easiest part of hair coloring. The trick is to well, apply quickly as hair color goes inert after the time stated by the manufacturer. Practice makes perfect :P You might wanna get a dollyhead to practice on, it's fun!
Mixing can be a little tricky in pro colors but just follow the manufacturer's instructions and use a weighing scale. I guess with boxed colors it is more convenient to use - just mix and color! But with the extra effort in using pro colors, you truly will reap the benefits.
So why not? It is just $3-10 more than a boxed color kit, and some lines carry up to 80+ shades and you'll be able to choose different levels of permanency with each shade. But the catch is you'll have to learn a little bit about hair color and theories etc. But you guys wouldn't mind learning about hair color the pro way would you? Seeing that you guys are in a hair forum, it must mean that hair coloring is one of your interests!
Hi Cheese, lol
I have to agree with you on its everyones preference on either professional or box colours.
I am a stylist and I use professional colours only, but I would never say never to using a box colour, some people love them some loath them, lol.
For example I get clients in just for a cut and they use the box colours and swear by them, some clients come into the salon, and moan about them. It also depends on the person hair condition, to which colour works best, as this plays a huge part on any colouring process be it box or professionals.
I say stick with what your happy with.
Karen:)
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Hi... I will look into your suggestions. For now... if you could just answer me this.
In general.. if you leave hair coloring on a little bit longer than the suggested, will it come out a little bit darker. And.. vice-versa???
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Hi Bigdave,
As like me your from the UK, and we have a product that most men use if indeed you are male , was thinking of the user name, if I am wrong, please except my apologies. As I was saying a product (haircolour) for men, its called just for men and it so simple to use. You can buy this in superdrug or boots.
If you want to go the professional way, then no leaving the colour on longer wont make it go lighter or darker, it will only lift or deposit until it can do no more.
You can always use the medium ash blonde, see how you get on with this, as its the in-between the dark ash and the light ash blonde.
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Edited by karen s - August 07 2008 at 1:36pm
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Hey Big Dave; I am going to suggest something fairly simple and maybe too obvious! How about mixing the two colours you currently wear. By mixing them, you will likely find that perfect shade. This is how the professionals would do it -- mix it custom to what you want. Most men want a drab/ash look to the hair, but to cover grey you need neutral or golden tones in the colour. If you have a lot of grey (like 75%) than you would probably mix 75% light brown to 25% dark blonde so you can get good coverage. Professional colour is great, but you can play with drugstore colour and get good results! Good luck!
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.... Boxed hair color kits and salon professional hair color are in two different leagues. Boxed hair color kits are extremely unpredictable as you have experienced and they DESTROY your hair.
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I'm gathering you are a professional hairstylist based on that statement. In my opinion, boxed colours are just fine for DIY colourists and they do not destroy hair. I'm not sure why people say this. I've used boxed colour for years and only had problems when I started experimenting with professional colour. It's HOW the colour is applied that matters.
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). There's nothing innately wrong with this; it is the art of application that makes them a bomb-waiting-to-go off!
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