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> Hi! I am a piano teacher, and today one of my 11 year> old students came to her lesson w/ her previously> long, healthy, beautiful mid-back length hair hacked> off into a pixie cut. She was almost in tears, and> told me that her mother made her cut her hair for some> strange, unknown reason. This girl is *very* mature> for her age, and takes care of her own hair, so there> was no legitimate reason for this haircut. I'm> wondering if it gave the mother a power trip, or was> motivated by jealousy, or *what*. It is one thing to> have short hair if you want it, but it is quite> another thing to have a forced haircut. What is up w/> this? I wanted to scream at this mother, and tell her> what a witch she is, but I couldn't. I tried to> comfort my student by telling her that when she isYOU HYPOCRITES!!!!You have concern for one persons emotions when they are forced to cut their hair. But, when it comes to a man wanting to grow hair long or in some style that Society dictates as improper for a man to wear. We all get so uptight that the veins in our forehead just about rupture.Where is this "EQUALITY" that women want so bad for all of us (including men I hope). Is it considered EQUAL to allow one sex to do things that the other sex can't do? If we have a true equality thing going on here, we would not impede others from what they feel they want to do. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone or violate anyones rights.> older, she can grow her hair as long as she wants to.> Have any of the rest of you ever seen psycho moms> forcing haircuts on kids that ARE old enough to take> care of their own hair?> Dawn
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> Hi! I am a piano teacher, and today one of my 11 year> old students came to her lesson w/ her previously> long, healthy, beautiful mid-back length hair hacked> off into a pixie cut. She was almost in tears, and> told me that her mother made her cut her hair for some> strange, unknown reason. This girl is *very* mature> for her age, and takes care of her own hair, so there> was no legitimate reason for this haircut. I'm> wondering if it gave the mother a power trip, or was> motivated by jealousy, or *what*. It is one thing to> have short hair if you want it, but it is quite> another thing to have a forced haircut. What is up w/> this? I wanted to scream at this mother, and tell her> what a witch she is, but I couldn't. I tried to> comfort my student by telling her that when she is> older, she can grow her hair as long as she wants to.> Have any of the rest of you ever seen psycho moms> forcing haircuts on kids that ARE old enough to take> care of their own hair?> Dawn
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Hi other Dawn,What a sad, sad tale. The issues of parental control can be so twisted at times and have such heartbreaking consequences for the children who are the victims. My one point on this topic would be that, while it is admirable, even righteous, healing and so important for you to offer this girl support and encouragement within the confines of your relationship as her teacher, to make any attempt to reach the mother, offer insight or otherwise enlighten her might actually backfire since the mother would realize the girl has shared with you her anquish over the mothers actions and the mother may then make life even worse for the little girl since control and domination are obviously big problems for her already. Just quietly let the little girl know that she is not alone and one day she will be free and find those who support and encourage her dreams and desires. It worked best that way for me when I was a tormented pre-adolescent and teen. Trying to reach an already unsympathetic mother can become a nightmare.Good luck! What an admirable and enviable job you have, teaching piano!Very best wishes to all,Dawn> Hi! I am a piano teacher, and today one of my 11 year> old students came to her lesson w/ her previously> long, healthy, beautiful mid-back length hair hacked> off into a pixie cut. She was almost in tears, and> told me that her mother made her cut her hair for some> strange, unknown reason. This girl is *very* mature> for her age, and takes care of her own hair, so there> was no legitimate reason for this haircut. I'm> wondering if it gave the mother a power trip, or was> motivated by jealousy, or *what*. It is one thing to> have short hair if you want it, but it is quite> another thing to have a forced haircut. What is up w/> this? I wanted to scream at this mother, and tell her> what a witch she is, but I couldn't. I tried to> comfort my student by telling her that when she is> older, she can grow her hair as long as she wants to.> Have any of the rest of you ever seen psycho moms> forcing haircuts on kids that ARE old enough to take> care of their own hair?> Dawn
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I can't wait for Dawn to find the answer to our thoughts. It is very easy for all of us to jump to all kinds of conclusion that the mother is jealous or abusive. Parents take a lot of abuse from the public on what they should do or not . Everyone has an opinion about child raising .Personally I think that a 11 year old doesn't really take care of herself yet and who knows maybe the mother was tired and had little time in the day. I am just saying this based on my observation of the girls I know from my friends etc.We can't do much about it. It is her child. Cutting hair is not consider abused. As a parent I make decisions about how long my sons hair will be for now but as a parent I also take into consideration of what they would prefer as a style.Dawn is in a tough situation. She has to mind her business as it is not her child but at the same time she can pamper the child if she wish and nicely ask the mother without the mother feeling she is being accuse. After all I wouldn't want to see Dawn lose a client over a hair discussion.
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Before I even read any of these posts I> had the same ideas (jealousy on the mother's part,> etc.) and I wonder if the father of this child is> around and has any say in the matter? Some women are> so domineering though their men don't get to have two> words to say in the matter. If the husband is around> (or even if he's an ex-husband) I would hope he would> have some compassion for his daughter and take over> this whole mess and NOT ALLOW it. Sounds right to me,> anyway.> HollyHolly, I had the same idea. is Jamie's father around, and if so, does he have any say in his daughter's doings? The pre and early teen years are crucial in a girl's forming her idea of what her life as a woman will be. A forced *anything* is bound to hurt this, to give her a skewed view of things. Of course, she's the same person where it counts, but the outside does matter. Hearing that she is worthwhile and beautiful no matter what, is important from members of the same sex, but there's nothing to compare with a father's influence.I'm praying for Jamie and her family.Kestra
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I'm just getting back from a trip (yes, Sueann, again)and saw this thread. Hope it's not too late to join in-I guess it never is.I don't think I ever heard of someone being forced at 17-not that I don't believe it! I'm just curious, wasn't there anything the 17 year old could do about this? Maybe this sounds like a dumb question, but I know that in the states there are laws that a person has at this age to give him/her rights. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's the case in New York. At any rate this whole situation with Jamie is terrible, to say the least. Before I even read any of these posts I had the same ideas (jealousy on the mother's part, etc.) and I wonder if the father of this child is around and has any say in the matter? Some women are so domineering though their men don't get to have two words to say in the matter. If the husband is around (or even if he's an ex-husband) I would hope he would have some compassion for his daughter and take over this whole mess and NOT ALLOW it. Sounds right to me, anyway.Holly
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Hello All :-)Andy, I think your right on the nose here!!My sister, who has two girls, cut both of their hair short. They both have the most beautiful hair. One is a brunette, the other blonde. They had long hair and she got it cut short. When I saw the girls after they got their hair cut, they were so upset. My sister was not there, so they felt very free to talk to me about it. I am the aunt who has the longest hair, paints her nails, and even has a belly button ring. So they know I am very open to most things. I told them that they both looked good with their new cuts, and that they were no different on the inside. I did tell them that when they get a little older they can let their hair grow. I have talked to one of my other sisters about this, and we both know that this is just another form of control that my sister and her hubby feel they have over their children. They control everything with their kids. What they wear, there is this very sad story my sister Sue witnessed involving a dress. My one niece wanted wear a dress and her dad said sure, then when she put in on, he said, "go take that off", my niece was crying and asked "why, her dad said, "because I said", my sister Sue was outraged, and told my brother in law so, he said, "I am her father". What is that???? This is a form of abuse, no not physical, but emotional, yes. The girls luckily have a few people they can talk to about it. And I tell them all the time how very beautiful they are no matter what. :-)
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Sorry if I'm chiming in belatedly. I don't have time to check in as much these days. I read this account of the piano student and felt SUCH a surge of hatred and rage toward her mother!Though I never was allowed to grow my hair long enough to be "chopped off," my mother dictated that I would wear a pixie most of my life, which caused me endless mortification. Later she would force me to submit to horrid, kinky perms as well. These damaged my hair--I only know that now that my hair is healthy--and led her to snipe that I had "lousy hair" that she couldn't "do anything with." I grew up believing this and never learned to take care of my hair properly.It was the perfect Catch-22. She said I couldn't have long hair because I couldn't take care of it, and I couldn't learn to take care of it because my hair was never longer than a couple of inches. I used to cry about my hair all the time. I hated how I looked, and I was the subject of merciless teasing at school.This was sadistic, out-and-out child abuse. I do not hesitate to say so. My mother was physically and emotionally abusive, and the hair issue became a component very early on. When she wanted a positive reaction out of me, she would promise to "consider" letting me grow my hair to chin length. I'd get so excited, I wouldn't be able to sleep. Then, at my next slip-up, she'd say sorry, but she was scheduling an appointment for me to get my hair cut again.One of her "parental" warnings was, "If you don't straighten up, I'll have your hair cut shorter than mine!"I do think some mothers--some very insecure mothers--become jealous of their daughters' youthful good looks and try to sabotage them. My best friend just grew her hair past her shoulders for the first time. It is a vast improvement, she looks gorgeous, and anyone would say so. When her mother came to visit, she tsk'ed over how much better "that cute pixie" used to look.I hope you do say something to Jamie's mother. If she's guilty of this sort of "mothering," it might give her a start to know someone sees through her.Ally
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Sounds like a scene out of "Mommie Dearest" The child has my sympathies.
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That's a good point, Jena. But a good stylist would say something like, 'I know you like your hair long, but at such and such point, it's becoming thin and unhealthy' etc. The amount being cut should never be a surprise to the client.I'm sure everyone has their horror stories of "Just cut an inch or two" which ends up being translated into 'a foot or more.'
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> Yes, this struck me too. How could anyone just keep> cutting with a wailing child begging not to have her> hair cut, and just keep on hacking away....seems to me> that it is quite a bit sadistic.My heart goes out to this child in all sorts of ways (I had a forced haircut at eleven, too, so I know well how traumatic it is) but this is the thing that makes me very, very angry at the mother.As a former assistant manager of an accessory store, I often did the ear-piercing, especially of children. Our store had the policy that the piercer had the right to refuse if the child didn't seem ready. We could tell the difference between normal nerves and really not wanting to be pierced. When the child in my chair wailed and cried and even socked me in the jaw, she wasn't ready, so I refused. How could this stylist just go ahead and do anything that was so contrary to the actual person behind the hair.Hair can grow back relatively quickly, but self-esteem can take a lot longer, not to mention trust.Kestra
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It just occurs to me that I may not have really conveyed my meaning here - and I am keen that I am not misunderstood. Therefore may I be permitted an addendum.I am making a clear distinction here, I hope, between 'child abuse' and 'abuse of one's power over a child' - I would never suggest for a second that an undesired haircut is close to the same league as the activities we usually term 'child abuse', and I would disagree violently with anybody who does suggest this.My point is that a parent, or one who is 'in loco parentis' such as a teacher, has power over a child by virutue of their position as an authority figure. It is up to a person in that position to use that authority for the best interests of the child, and it is true that the right of different people to exercise that power exists in different degrees. Now it may be true that insisting that a child loses the last couple of inches of hair to keep it out of the inkwells would be using one's power over a child in that child's best interests, however I have trouble visualising a situation in which forcably cutting off all of a young girl's hair would be in the child's best interest (please, I am quite open to being persuded otherwise if you know of such a case).I consider misuse of power over a child to be an 'abuse of power' not 'child abuse'. In my original arguement I meant to demonstrate this idea - I apologise in advance if I did not suceed.andyps I hope this does not consitute a 1000 word manifesto
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Why is this idea far-fetched?It all hinges on what a parent has a right to do as opposed to what another person has a right to do. Lets postulate:Start from the arguement that parent's have a 'right' to control their children's appearence wheras others do not, it therefore follows thatGirl's mom crops girl's hair = parental rightGirl's teacher crops girl's hair = abusive behaviourBut how far does this right extend? Is it 'true' thatGirl's mom canes girl = parental rightGirl's teacher canes girl = abuseor how aboutGirl's mom does not allow girl to wear clothes around the house = parental right?I deliberately resort to 'reductio ad abusudam' to make an intentional point here. Just because a parent or society decrees that some things are acceptable for a parent to do to a child does not mean that they are not abusive. It is also true that in some countries the legal protection for children is far more stringent than others - I think I'm right that it is illegal for anybody, parent or otherwise, to smack a child.In my book, making a kid get a haircut they don't want, which makes them feel small and humilitated, even if you are the kid's parent, is 'abusive', in that it is an abuse of your power over them. It may not be illegal, society may be happy with it, and you may reckon it is perfectly acceptable, but I am not at all comfortable with it.
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> Obviously, only the mom knows what is going on, but a> few possibilities are that the young girl has started> to enter puberty and boys may begin noticing her, and> the mom chopping off her hair was one (misguided and> disturbed) way of trying to keep the little girl from> developing a sexual identity.Interesting concept....> Another possibility is that at one time maybe the mom> had beautiful long hair and had hers cut off and so> she wanted revenge and got it by cutting off her> daughter's hair.A good possibility....> Or, the mom could be out and out jealous of her> daughter's hair, especially if you say it was quite> lovely. Not everyone has the genetics to grow long> hair, and perhaps the mom tried but couldn't.> Or, maybe the mom was angry with Jaime and knew that> she loved her hair and so cutting off her prized> possession was her punishment for her daughter.Again, both are good postualtes.....> I also find it disturbing that the "stylist"> was more than willing to cut it so short given the> fact that the daughter was so adamently opposed to it.> Sounds a little sadistic to me. If I were a stylist, I> sure couldn't do that to a child.Yes, this struck me too. How could anyone just keep cutting with a wailing child begging not to have her hair cut, and just keep on hacking away....seems to me that it is quite a bit sadistic. It would not suprise me one bit if the mother planned this whole thing ahead of time. It is just too convenient that their was a willing stylist who was not the usual stylist at the salon that day at that particular time.Z.
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> The mom has short hair, but not as short as Jaime's> hair is (Jaime is the 11 yr. old). I wouldn't call it> attractive, but it is an average short, layered style> -- nothing outlandish. Jaime's hair was quite lovely> before -- shiny, dark, thick healthy -- Pantene hair.> Evidently, hair has been a big issue for awhile. I'd> love to know what on earth this mother is thinking....> Jaime's mother is *insane*, and I have no clue what to> tell Jaime.Insane....there you have it. She is probably jealous of her daughter's youth. The daughter's pretty hair is a symbol of that youth, and the mother lashed out at the symbol of what she no longer has for herself.Z.
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> Zorak, you reckon that 11 is too old to be forcing a> particular haircut on a child. I knew a woman (and I> choose my words carefully) whose mother refused to> allow her to grow her hair when she was 17.> If you reckon that cutting a girl's hair against her> will is a power trip at 11 - what do we reckon this> is?First, I think there is a difference between not allowing a teenage minor to grow their hair into whatever style they want, versus making a perfectly happy child cut off their long hair for no apparent reason.What that girl went through is traumatizing, and unfortunately not that uncommon (according to my informal questioning of several friends).In the past, several women on this board have written of "hair traumas" as young girls when they were forced by parents into similar situations. One person even wrote of being troubled by nightmares of people cutting off her hair, a direct result of being forced as a child to cut her long hair against her will.People who are regulars here will know that for I often have a quite different opinion for those adults who make a free-will choice to cut their hair....in fact, I think that is it natural and normal for most people to change their hairstyles (often in drastic or creative ways) most of their ADULT lives.But, when this kind of psychological abuse is forced onto kids, I just have a problem with it.Zorak
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"It also seems that a majority of stylists are itching to chop off long hair, ponytails and braids."To add some insight...I may have a reason. Although I have a feeling that the vast majority of people with very long hair who frequent this board take exceptional care of it, I'll be honest. Most people I see in everyday life with extremely long hair don't take good care of it at all, especially the ends. And I could see where stylists would want to cut it, because it just looks so thin and wispy and unhealthy and just "hangs" there. Unfortunately, when that becomes the norm, then long hair gets a reputation as not looking attractive. And hence, stylists want to cut it to make the ends healthier. That's why we need more people with long hair to be good role models!
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That is a terrible shame. Jamie is going to be talking about this incident for the rest of her life. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be a rare event. Many women I have talked with have a story about how their mothers had cut their long hair or otherwise pressured them into getting it cut *very* short. The girls invariably hate the short cut, and grow it out as quickly as possible.It also seems that a majority of stylists are itching to chop off long hair, ponytails and braids. Why they are convinced 'shorter is better' is beyond me, unless they simply don't want the 'skills' they have developed to go to waste. Or perhaps, they themselves are jealous that their own hair isn't as long, healthy and/or beautiful as the hair they're butchering.I think the best thing to do is assure Jamie that she has her entire future in which to regrow her hair to whatever length, in whatever style, pleases her. It may be difficult to accept now, but in only a few years, when she enters her teens (and later, when she finally escapes her mother's clutches), she can regain control of her life, body and future. Best wishes to her.--Bruce
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>> Dear Dawn:If I was in your situation I would gathered some pictures of singers that age group relate to like the spice girls etc. Then I would play up the fact that she looks as good as one of those singers/actresses.Also I would buy my little student a special gift .Something nice but not expensive to make her feel okay.Then if you are still curious about the mother I would go up to the mother and go on and on how great her daughter is in piano and her new hairstyle looks great and so was the old style . Then just stop and watch the mother to see what excuses she comes up with. She might/ might not have had a good reason but at least you would find out and not offend anyone by asking indirectly.If you find out, let us know.
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For a parent to force an aesthetic choice of hairstyle on a pre-teen child, I wonder if that couldn't be a form of child abuse. I realize that may be far-fetched, but suppose the girl had a collection of [fill in the blanks -- dolls, teddy bears, whatever] and the mother destroyed them. Certainly no physical abuse to the child. No sexual abuse. But I'd argue that there is emotional abuse. The mother destroyed the girl's possessions.A drastic cut from long to short, *especially* against the child's will and especially for that old of a child, undoubtedly will have some emotional consequences for her now, and in the future. Most kids that age are just entering those awkward years totally full of self-doubt. And then the mother forces the girl to dramatically change her appearance.Something somewhere is definitely going on with that "mother."
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