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    Posted: July 08 2003 at 6:37pm
my mother and I use natural instincts, hersis dark brown mine is black. both semi permanent. she always dyes it and it never fades and ive never used THIS brand but it seems to refuse to fade. but black dye can be stubborn. oh well. i dont want it to fade anyway.
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Sounds like your stylist was covering for her lack of knowledge for haircolor.

Let me clarify something first. Redken Shades EQ is a DEMI-permanent not a SEMI- permanent.
The difference? When used correctly Shades last longer than a semi-permanent. It is very versital. When used under medium heat for 20 minutes and allowed to cool for 20 minutes before rinsing, it will last at least 3 months. This method is also the best way to cover grey. (and boy, does it ever)
When toning a highlight or lightened hair, 20 minutes room temp is suffecient.
To refresh a permanent faded color on the ends, 20 minutes room temp. That is while the new growth is being processed, place it on the ends the last 20 minutes.
Another trick some of the stylist here may have heard of is to mix two cap fulls in your perm wave neutralizer or rebonder. It refreshes the color that perms take out in one step.

There are many many ways to use Shades. It is my favorite color to work with, its fun!
I am a professional Hairstylist/Haircolorist with 19 years experience. I have traveled all over the country for my advanced education. I am also a salon owner.:)........and I LOVE Redken!!!
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I've only had my hair done at a salon before and never at home as far as level 3 goes. I'm glad you replied because I've never really been happy with salon results. Two salon brands used on my hair have been Redken and Elumen. I ask "what Redken product are you using-and always got, gee, I'm not sure what we stock. Come on, you don't know what product in the Redken line you are putting on my hair? Get serious!

Last time I went, the colorist just did my roots, not even pulling through the color. It was supposed to be auburn but it had way too much brown in it.

That's what made me try the Natural Instincts and yes, it is possible to get auburn. Most of my life was spent as a dark brown and I'm sick of it, yet that's all the two salons I tried gave me, with maybe some auburn in the sun.

Don't know where to go from here, but always wanted to try adding a semi over the permanent to give my hair an auburn glow. Now I know it is possible and the results can be nice, as long as a strand test is done first. That was another thing the salon didn't want to do--I asked for a Shades EQ to brighten up the shade and again she didn't want to even try it.

BTW, that rich red in Clairol's new Ultress line is selling like hotcakes. Went to 3 stores and nobody had any left, although plenty of the other shades. Not much choice, the auburn looks too light.

Great discussion on semi color. There are some colorists who try to use it as much as possible instead of level 3. They feel that the level 2s, if one is creative enough, have a lot to offer.

My hair must be colored by Saturday (mother's birthday party) so I'll post what happens eventually as the clock ticks down. Did a strand test on Clairol's Herbal Essence in rich ruby and it was a very strange cherry plum. Always do a strand test--can you imagine if I just decided to dump it on my whole head? One of those wigs would be coming in handy for the party
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Goreygirl, I have found that Natural Instincts will indeed cover grey, at first (I'm about 25%) but it washes out so quickly, especially the grey near the sides of your face, which washes away when you wash your face. That's why I finally went to permanent. I still use the semi at times when I don't feel like bothering with the messy permanent stuff, as an interim solution, to prolong the permanent coloring.

Which permanent color did you use?

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Thanks everyone. I was wondering whether the wrong dye had been in the box, but I think the whole semi on semi thing is more likely. I'll make sure to get it all in one go next time!
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Darker shades tend to stay in the hair longer, anyway, or so it seems. I would imagine that using two semis that close together really doused the hair with the color molecules.

Also, if hair is very porous, it will soak up color like a sponge, regardless of whether it's semi or permanent. So I guess there are several answers to your question, none of which may be correct.

Many years ago, I used Loving Care consistently in a dark brown. There was no doubt that after a while, the color was there to stay.

BTW, my experiment gone awry with Natural Instincts, a level 2, is interesting. I purposely used Prell shampoo to try and hurry the washing out of the color, as I wish to do a level 3 ASAP and didn't want any surprises. Well, it's week #4 and after many washings the reddish brown of the semi is clearly evident. My older roots are still covered, though not as well, and new re-growth of grey is visible as though I had used a level 3. And it's not as stark a contrast as with a permanent color. Guess we can't always take the manufacturer's word at face value.

Live and learn, I guess. Makes me wonder if I should have gone from Level 1 to level 2 instead of jumping to a permanent color to cover the grey. Natural Instincts actually did a pretty good job, and the grey is over 50% of my hair! The box said "not for use on grey hair" or something like that. Go figure.
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It happened to me once. My hair was a light brown, but had too much red in it, so I used a semi permanent dark warm brown to get rid of the red ( back then I didn't know the warm meant it was going to put more red tones in my hair), so the next day ( I didn't want to wait a month) I used another semi permanent, but this time I used Dark brown. My hair came out really dark brown, almost black. I don't know if it was because I used two semi permanent colors, or because the color I used was very dark, but it stayed on my hair like a permanent color.
I guess sometimes, it's just better going to a professional.
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Has anyone found that if you put semi permanent colour over the same colour semi permanent, it becomes permanent? This happened to me about a year ago when I tried to dye my hair black. I didn't do it properly and there were still patches of my natural colour showing through so I did it again. This made it go totally permanent. I was just wondering if anyone else had this problem.

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