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    Posted: August 03 2004 at 8:46pm
I did tons of research before I got extensions, but there was so much information to wade through and so many things I couldn't have anticipated. Now that I've had four different methods applied (Hairlocs/Eurolocs, Great Lengths, Pre-Tipped Glue Bonds, and Pinch Braids/Hair Police Method), I'm posting my experiences in the hopes that it will save other people money and aggravation and, hopefully, provide some helpful hints.

Please keep in mind that everyone's hair is different; my hair is caucasian, pretty long, thin, chemically processed, and fine. Also, I'm not with any company; I'm not promoting any service, and I don't have an axe to grind. I'm just posting this because I don't want anyone to have to go through what I've gone through over the past few years with this.

HAIRLOCS (in general, these comments also apply to EUROLOCS and MICROBEADS): This was the first method I tried. The hair was high quality, but the strands came out like crazy after I washed my hair. Whenever I died my roots, I'd lose tons of them. Plus, they were very expensive--more than $2,000. On a positive note, removal was quite easy. They damaged my hair (not as badly as Great Lengths, though), and the copper bonds were more visible than other methods. Also, the bonds tarnished in my hair after a week or so (becaus they're copper, they will tarnish; if it's stainless steel, it may not). I would NOT recommend this method.


PRE-TIPPED GLUE BOND: These bonds were less visible, but hair wasn't as high-quality as Hairlocs or GLs. The price is much more reasonable than GLs or Hairlocs, but the damage is incredible (I barely have any real hair left because I used this method). Removal was excruciating (believe me). I would NOT recommend these methods.

GREAT LENGTHS: Essentially the same as glue bonds, but the hair is higher quality, the bonds are less sticky (because the "shells" are harder), and the price is much higher (again, more than $2,000, and you can't reuse the hair). The company goes to "great lengths" to say "it's not glue; it's a keratin bond." Whatever--it destroys your hair all the same. Removal was awful, too, so I would NOT recommend this method either.

PINCHBRAIDING (also known as the "hair police method," though I didn't go to Hair Police to get them): This is the only method I've had luck with. I got my whole head done for $700, plus I can reuse the hair. The hair doesn't feel quite as high quality as GLs or Hairlocs, but it actually looks more natural. Removal is easy, and it's the only method that's actually letting my hair grow, as opposed to breaking it off. Also, the tiny braids are less visible than the bonds and locs. I would STRONGLY RECOMMEND this method above all others--for price, look, convenience, and minimal to no damage. I have interwoven individual strands (not wefts, which may also be good, although I haven't tried them).

AND FINALLY, FOR ALL OF YOU DESPERATELY TRYING TO REMOVE YOUR GLs or bonds: Don't use acetone or GLs remover; it will just damage your hair even more, and it doesn't break down the bond enough--you'll still have to rip them out. Instead, soak the roots your hair in baby oil or olive oil overnight, then have a friend try to remove them (some should slip right out with just a little pressure). For more stubborn ones, use needle-nose pliers (available in hardware stores). I did them over the course of a week, but you could do it in a single sitting. It's the best way to remove the bonds without damaging your hair.

Good luck to everyone!!!
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Your post is truly helpful. Thank you!
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Where can I get these type of extensions done, I'm in NYC?
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I go to Isaac at Cyberparlor (Cyberparlor.com), who does a wonderful job and is located downtown in the financial district. He's really laid-back and is the only extensionist I've dealt with who hasn't given me some pushy sales pitch. He was very honest about what he could do (I have a lot of damage I need to grow out from previous methods), and the price was very reasonable ($700 for my entire head, 22 inches, including the hair).

Plus, there are other people who do this method: Check out Dollylocks.com (she travels, but comes to New York), HairPiSalon.com (in the East Village), and HairPolice.com (who travel all over the country). I can't vouch personally for these people, but I know they use this method and I've heard good things about them.

For more information (including reviews of extensionists, methods, and some DIY information), check out the forums at http://www.dreadperm.com/xmb/ and http://p080.ezboard.com/bhair18356 (much of the info. is geared toward goth styles and dreads, but a lot of it applies to any kind of extensions). Oh, and for those of you who are interested in buying your own hair, check out hairpiece.com, hisandherhair.com, or hairaddition.com; for untreated (not colored, etc.) hair, check out naturegirl.com .

One other point I forgot to mention in my previous post: The pinch braids are secured with tiny pieces of thread, which are essentially invisible and hold everything in place. For more specifics check out Quinnster's site: http://www.quinnster.co.uk/ By the way, I thought, because it was string, rather than bonds, that the extensions would fall out, but I actually haven't lost one, which makes this the most secure method--at least in my hair.

Again, everyone's hair is different and I, in no way, want to insult stylists who use methods other than pinchbraiding. But again, in my experience, all the other methods are damaging, painful to remove, not secure, and/or overpriced. I really wish I had just tried pinchbrading to begin with (before I wasted thousands of dollars AND lost half my hair!). People might tell you that "you get what you pay for" (and this might be true if you're only willing to spend $100 or so, I don't know), but in my experience the expensive methods have been disasterous; the cheapest, "lowest-tech" method is the best.

I hope this is helpful; just let me know if you have any more questions, and let me know how it goes with your hair!

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Thank you very much for your honest insight. I was interested in the 'pinch' method before but was told that you must have quite long hair to begin with, and my cut is very fine, choppy and is chin length. How long have your extensions lasted? Do they need a lot of maintenance? xx
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I think the hair only has to be two inches long for pinch braids, but check with a stylist first before you give them a deposit. Longer hair on top (at least four inches or so) will enable you to camoflague the braids better, but it's really no different than any other extensions methods in that way. Again. it's always best to discuss the process with a stylist beforehand though, since they can tell you exactly what they can and cannot do. That said, I know a lot of people with short hair whose extensions look great. If yours is chin length, I wouldn't think you'll have any problem.

My pinch braids have lasted incredibly well; I haven't lost a single extension yet. Basically, the frequency of maintenance is the same as it is with GLs, Hairlocs, or any other method; they need to be tightened every three months or so, depending on the style of your hair and how fast it grows. You could keep them in for longer, but at that point, the braids are further away from the roots because your hair grows (as the bonds would also be further away from the roots with GLs or Hairlocs), so you probably won't want to go too long before tightening them.

You can definitely reuse the hair (which you can't do with GLs or other bonded methods, although you can with Hairlocs). It should be in good shape as long as you take care of it, and when you get them tightened, you'll only have to pay for the service--not the supplies. I'm not exactly sure how long any brand of hair lasts, but I would think it would be in good shape for at least a year or so (a lot would depend on how often you straighten, curl, or blow-dry; color/bleaching is obviously more damaging than leaving it the color it is).

Keep in mind that stylists who do pinch braiding aren't limited to using a specific brand of hair (e.g., GLs has its own hair, Hairlocs has its own hair); pinch braiding is a method, not a brand. So you should discuss the kind of hair (color, length, texture) you want in advance with your stylist, and he/she can order it for you (or you could order it yourself, from the online sources I mentioned above). Your stylist will probably have a vendor that he/she usually uses, but the method isn't as limiting in that sense as GLs or Hairlocs.

One thing to remember: With pinch braiding, the hair is overlapped a little at the root, then braided down a bit to blend into your own hair (hard to explain, but it creates a bit more volume and coverage at the roots, which works really well in my hair, since it's so thin). For this reason, you should order hair that's an inch or two longer than the length you want (if you want 24-inch-long hair, order 26-inch-long hair, and so forth). You can order it loose or in wefts; it doesn't really matter (my stylist used wefted hair, but cut it out of the wefts before braiding it in).

As far as daily maintenance, it's pretty simple, and it's basically the same no matter what method you use. Make sure to brush and comb gently (personally, I use a boar's hair brush and a wide-tooth comb), especially if your "real" hair is color-treated or damaged (once you have all this new, healthy-looking hair on your head, it's easy to forget the hair underneath). Sleep with it in a low, loose braid or ponytail tied with a Scunci or fabric-covered elastic. Condition the bottom portion of the hair (but not the roots, since it could cause slippage); detanglers and silicone sprays can also be helpful on the bottom portion of the hair, but again, keep them away from the roots. I also use a satin pillowcase, which causes less friction while sleeping, but this isn't specific to extensions--any hair can benefit from it. Beyond that, you really don't need to spend a lot of money on special shampoos or styling products (anyone who tells you that you do is probably just trying to peddle their own products).

Above all, be wary of anyone who gives you too much of a sales pitch. If it seems like they're BSing you, they are--believe me (like glue bonds won't kill your hair, PLEEEAASSEE.......). And beware of anyone who keeps adding extra costs (like special products or an extra fee), as well as anyone who claims to have higher-quality "European" hair for thousands of dollars (it's all from China and India, no matter what they say, and it's perfectly good). Pay no more than $800 maximum; it's no necessary.

Good luck, and let me know how it goes!
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One more thing:

Here's an illustrated guide to the pinch-braiding process:
http://www.hairalchemy.com/tutorial/index.html
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You are FANTASTIC- so helpful! I am currenlty finding a salon and will have them soon. I will keep you posted, and show you the finished result! MWAH!
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Hi Crazyhair,
Would you mind posting a pic of your extensons?
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This is a great post to put back on top.
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I totally agree: Hairlocs suck. They're way overpriced (thousands of dollars), they slip out constantly, and they do cause some damage (not as much as GLs and other bond methods, though). And the hair's not all that great, either. The stains do wash out, but they just come back--they're tarnish stains, after all--so they'll always be in your hair while you wear them. And the Hairlocs stylists I've dealt with are highly dishonest--they claim they don't know any of this, meanwhile all their clients have the same problems. If you must get extensions, get pinchbraids--they're the cheapest, most secure, and least damaging method. And as far as expertise/skill, PLEASE--it takes a one-day course to get "trained" in the method; that's hardly what I'd call extensive expertise.
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I totally agree. I'm not suprised to hear that so many people have had trouble with hairlocs. Kimaire Teter (the Hairlocs training "expert") totally ripped me off--for close to $3000. She makes you sign a "client contract," which supposedly protects you, but it's really designed to protect her in case you want your money back or want to sue her.

I didn't know anything about extensions when I went to Kimarie, and she had a great website and a good sales pitch, so I believed her. But soon after she applied the hairlocs, the locs rusted (turned green!), the hair wasn't at all what we had agreed upon (it tangled constantly and the texture sucked), and they slipped out all the time. They looked good when she put them in (she flatirons everything, and you're just so thrilled to have long hair!), but it's a nightmare in a matter of weeks, believe me.

I've since learned what everyone in the industry seems to know: that hairlocs (or eurolocs or microrings, which are all the same thing, by the way) just aren't secure with human hair, because when you wash human hair, it shrinks, so the hair slipps out of the locs like crazy, and before you know it, they're all gone--thousands of dollars down the drain. (This has nothing at all to do with shedding, by the way.) It's a bad system, unless you use it with synthetic hair, which isn't good for long-term use but can be good for temporary streaks, etc.

Like all extensions, hairlocs can be damaging (I still don't think they're as damaging to the hair as glue/fusion, though). But the paint chips off the copper bonds within days, the copper starts to rust, and the loc part starts to break down your real hair. You're also brushing your hair constantly to get out the knots, which will start to break off your hair in the process.

Kimaire will say she charges outrageous prices because the hair is from Italy or France or wherever (a total lie, it's from Asia, like everything else). And she'll say she's an expert, but in reality anyone can get a certificate in this process in an afternoon (it takes a whole lot longer to learn braiding and weaving, which aren't nearly as expensive).

If you still insist on trying the hairlocs process, do yourself (and your pocketbook) a big favor: Go to http://www.drlocks.net/micro.htm and buy the kit for $65, and get 200 strands of Remy hair (better than the quality Kimarie uses) for $200. Then do it yourself, or get a friend to help (believe me, it's really simple--anyone can do it, there's even demo online). Or if you really want to splurge, throw in the video tutorial http://www.drlocks.net/kits_&_videos.htm for $29.99. That's a $300 investment, and you're an expert, with supplies and hair to spare (all for the price Kimarie charges for a few hair supplies and a sateen pillowcase).

To anyone else who's been ripped off, I feel for you--I've been there. I'm still want my $3000 back....

This is a great, informaive post. I hope people will look into some of these less expensive options beofre they waste thousands of hard-earned dollars.
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That's a shame, Jenny. Just another in a long line of people who are getting ripped off by Hairlocs.

I once wrote to Hairlocs about the hair turning green and the locs rusting underneath and after several email exchanges they said they knew the locs did it and I needed to have my stylist wash it. Oh sure. Open 200 locks one by one and wash out the green and rust? And pay someone $150 an hour to do it? That's insane. Their response was basically "too bad now get lost." The person who responded to me was named Christy and the email address was hairlocsinc@aol.com which is straight off the main Hairlocs site.

The place I had my Hairlocs put in has a web site with Before & After pictures and they haven't put any photos up of new clients in the last 8 months. They've sure taken a lot of them down so they're not getting any repeat business. Again, another testament to dissatisfied clients. I should've seen the red flags when the stylists swore over and over how it wouldn't damage my hair while they shoved papers in my face to sign that took away my rights if there was hair damage. Come to think of it, none of THEM wore Hairlocs. And then they want to blame YOU when the hair breaks off under the clamps and say it was because you didn't brush well or you used the wrong shampoo or any number of asinine reasons. I think their "training" involves 10 minutes on how to clamp the shell with a pair of pliers and 7 hours 50 minutes on how to pull the wool over clients' eyes.

I've heard horror stories of some Hairlocs hair. I got lucky. My hair quality wasn't so bad. It certainly wasn't worth the $2,000 they charged for it. I've bought the same amount of hair, the same quantity for under $200 online and it's just as good and some of it has been better. My Hairlocs people said the hair was from Italy, too. It was a complete lie. I have the Dr Locks and the Hair Piece microrings and they've saved a bundle and aren't nearly as damaging. If someone still wants to use the microring method, they can have an entire head of hair for less than half of those outrageous Hairlocs prices.

I saw your post in the other thread and you're not an idiot, Jenny. You put your trust in someone who went out of her way to seem sincere when all she wanted was your money. Hopefully these stories will help people make informed decisions based on REAL experiences and not false sales pitches.
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Definitely, and thanks for responding. I really hope people will think twice before they waste their money with Hairlocs. Stylists should also think twice before getting involved with it--they'll just end up with a whole lot of furious x-clients, like Kimarie has. Oh, and one more thing--I searched the Internet, and they're being sued: http://dreadperm.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=321
Now, if only all the clients they've ripped off could get their money back....
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I responded under the other thread but thanks for that link. It was very enlightening to see Cait's "stylist" posting over there. It's despicable to see these Hairlocs people posing as satisfied customers. Eventually they slip up and get caught.

Thanks again for that link.
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i never had pinchbriads but i heard theyre non-damaging to the hair. i think microlinks are a little more invisible, but they can cause a little damage. microlinks should definitely be diy, not hairlocs for a million dollars. i like the extentubes on hairpiece.com---same as doc locks microrings, but a little better i think.
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I tried the Dr. Locks rings and I find that they lose their color and turn silver. They DO NOT turn your hair green like Hairlocs does so that's a plus. The rings at hair piece are my favorite. I have them in small, medium and large and they've been great. They are thinner than the Dr Locks rings so they can sometimes mangle when you try to open them. They're less bulky than Dr Locks so that's nice.

The shrinkies from Dr Locks have been exceptional. I'm experiencing no broken hairs between the shrinkie and my scalp after 4 weeks of continuous wear. Yay!
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I saw the shrinkies, but they said you'll need to use acetone to remove traces of glue when you remove them. Could you repost and let us know how this works out for you when the time comes?


Just looking for a few good hair slaves - is that too much to ask?
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Yes, acetone is needed to remove the residue. This is not the first time I've worn shrinkies. This is, however, the first time I've had an entire head of them in.

Remember though, the shrinkies slide right out. They are not like Great Lengths where you need to soak and saturate and break the bonds apart. I put the acetone on a cotton square and slide it over the hair to remove the residue. That's all that's needed.
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