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    Posted: January 17 2005 at 4:23am
Hi there, thanks for the advice Amm. I pre-tipped all my strands with liquid gold and then applied the nail glue and then applied it to my client's hair and sometimes if I didn't apply the shrinkie as I would have liked it took it out and reapplied it and the tip was still in tact wey hey!!! Success.

The only thing I noticed is that I found the whole LG process very very messy. If I were to pre-tip my strands using a glue pot with keratin glue and then apply them with shrinkies, would there be any draw backs with that compared to using LG. Any help would be appreciated xxx
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SWEET..... I like the idea that the nailglue keeps the tip intact upon removal...worth the extra step!
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sherrie,

Bingo!!

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AMM So when you remove the pretips ( that have been made with LG and nail glue) is the pretipped strand fully intact then? It doesnt come apart at all during removal? I havent used the nail glue yet on the LG tips (since I have only done experimenting to see if synthetic would melt under the shrinkie, I didnt go as far as putting the nailglue over the LG) I will be using the nail glue when I am ready to install them, it makes sense to go the extra step.
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Makes sense. Thanks, AMM!
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>>> Are we all in agreement? <<<


No, but almost.

When done correctly, the nail glue provides a total barrier between the shrinkie and the LG. I don't get LG residue on my hair at all. All I have to remove is shrinkie residue.

Additionally, the nail glue provides complete protection against LG adhering into the hair on removal.

It's all a matter of preference. Do the extra step of nail glue when you make the tip or do the extra work of getting Liquid Gold AND shrinkie residue off the hair during removal.

And if anyone wants to see a photo of a tip with nothing but LG on it and what a fusion wand can do through a shrinkie, let me know. Sizzle time, baby. The tip flattens, spreads and the LG melts.

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So, to recap: The nail glue provides a barrier between the LG and the hair; correct? And although there will be residue from the shrinkie adhesive and perhaps a bit from the LG, the residue is relatively minor and easily removed.

Are we all in agreement? :)
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Any type of glue that you use for pretipping is going to adhere to your hair to some extentwhen you heat them under the shrinkie. It isnt going to completely penetrate though all the strands of your hair like when doing fusion bonding though. The pretips will adhere a little and leave a small amount of residue when removing.
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because it wouldnt hold unless you made it into stick hair. i get taht part. i did not think the liquid gold would melt into the clients hair tho. i thought the nail glue would stop it or something.
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You realize Liquid Gold is being used to make stick hair, right?

If you don't want to be using stick hair for strand by strand application, put bulk hair inside the shrinkie and install it that way.

Voila! No glue at all to deal with.
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i dont get it....i thought the liquid gold didnt melt into the clients hair....i thought that was the whole point....if it does melt into the clients hair then it sounds as bad a fusion....i thoght only the glue coasting from the shinklinks leaves a residue but your saying iys the liquid gold from the strand...i dont understand...why not use fusion then?
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Emma,

We're talking about Liquid Gold reacting and melting under the intense heat of a fusion wand. Liquid Gold doesn't have the same issues under the cold clamp of a microring. Two separate things here.
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Ive had micro ring extensions in for a week now. Ive lost 3 so far and the tips were fine. I just unclamped the ring and put it back in with a new ring.

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Well, how much Liquid Gold are you putting on the tip? And, yes, it will certainly adhere to the client's hair. If you're heating the shrinkie enough to melt the inner adhesive (believe me, when you install, you can hear the distinct "crackle" of the tubing's adhesive), you're definitely heating it to the point the LQ will begin to respond.

I have tried tips with only LG and they come apart when you remove the shrinkie. How then will you reapply the same strand without putting it back together? If you plan on throwing away each strand of hair between shrinkie maintenance then it won't be a big deal but now you'll have to deal with shrinkie adhesive and LG removal.

Again, nail glue is only there to keep the tip of the hair strand from falling or spreading apart, it helps eliminate shedding, and it keeps Liquid Gold from adhering to yours and your client's hair.

Please, if you have the tools already, conduct the experiments.


PS: Can someone tell me why there seems to be such reluctance to using a tiny drop of nail glue on the tip? Is it fear of heat or just not wanting to do another step?
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Oh right, so even if I didn't use the nail glue, the liquid gold won't go on my client's hair if its in the shrinkie xxx
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LOL I just answered this question in another thread...No LG wont melt and bond to your clients hair with heat. I tipped my own hair with LG and applied about a dozen with some heat shrink tubing and a very hot straightening iron and it didnt melt. I did get the adhesive from the tubing in my hair tho and had to use an oily remover to get it out.

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Could somebody tell me which is the best for pre-tipping.

I'm concerned that when I heat up my shrinkie that the liquid gold glue will heat up and bond to my client's hair???

What are the draw backs with Keratin for pre-tippingxxxx
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