Hello Paula: Another traditionalist suspicious of radical feminists! Ha Ha!
Kuroneko: Since you have told us that you are a lesbian, I wouldn't expect you to agree much with Veiled Lady, especially her statement about serving her man.
I see my own philosophy as being a mixture of the progressive and modern, and the conservative and traditional. I do appreciate traditional people however. It is these people with traditional, conservative male and female roles who are propping up the sagging birthrates in the western world. Countries that have strayed too far from tradition are rapidly depopulating, which is why some countries like Japan and part of west Europe are in population freefall, and this creates extraordinary social and economic problems for them in the future. They end up with not enough young workers to support too many old people. If the entire world rejected traditional values and male and femal roles, the human race wouldn't amount to much. It doesn't take long to overpopulate but it doesn't take long to underpopulate either.
The other thing about traditional roles for men and women: Most men want to feel masculine and most women want to feel feminine. That's natural for us. While the majority of women in the western world will probably never veil themselves like Veiled Lady does, it is human nature, thankfully,for women to want to feel that they are feminine people. Traditional roles play into that. This current fad with some people of androgony, is just that, a fad. Androgony is aberrant. Mentally, biologically, physically, men usually are somewhat masculine and women somewhat feminine, and that works. Despite liberalisation and modernization, I don't think that fact will ever change.
Good conversation people. This thread reminds me of the old philosophy board we use to have here on Hair Talk. Uzma, Tina, Maria, Sophie, Giles, myself and others had some very intriguing conversations on various sociological, political, and philosophical topics.
My thinking is very similar to yours. There were a lot of things that society said women couldn't do 100 years ago, and it was wrong. I think we can give women the rights of a human being without denying the differences between men and women. Women have a different way of looking at life than men and vice versa, and both are very valuable. I'm not one of those who says that there are no differences between men and women (other than the obvious) because that's just not true. I love being a woman and I love men who love being men!
I thought the main reason for the increasing percentage of senior citizens was because doctors are curing more diseases and extending life? Then, to avoid overpopulation, the governments and health agencies encourage smaller families, which does keep down the population, but it also means there are fewer young people to care for increasing numbers of elderly. Just asking young people to have more children isn't the answer, as that'll only make the overpopulation problem worse. So maybe we should just accept death and disease as nature's form of population control and stop trying so hard to stop them all?
The problem isn't old people living longer. That's good. No one wants to go back to the days when people died young. Anyway, it would be politically impossible to ask senior citizens to not live as long as they do. We are not going to cut off their medical care or social security just to get them to die younger as they use to do. Neither the seniors themselves or the general population would find that acceptable.
Kuroneko: The point is this. There is something refered to as the "replacement level" birth rates. What that means is that every two adults need to replace themselves with two children in order to have a stable population that doesn't decline and die off. If a society doesn't have replacement level birthrates, the society will decline in population and begin to die off as a people. Now some places, like India, really are overpopulated, but most parts of the earth, contrary to the liberal-radical myth, are not. Everywhere on earth birth rates are dropping like a stone. In some areas that were facing potential overpopulation, that is a good thing. But in some countries the birthrates have become incredibly low, well below the replacement level. This is not the case in the U.S., we have birthrates slightly above the replacement level and unusually high immigration compared to our usual amount and compared to other countries, so we are growing very fast in population. Many people believe too fast. But the United States is the exception in the northern half of the world. In many northern first world countries it is the opposite, they are facing potentially severe underpopulation. Not all of them, but many of them. - Examples of this are Japan, South Korea, Italy, Russia and Spain. The birthrates in those countries are now down to 1.3 children per two adults. If these trends were to continue in those countries for let's say another 50-75 years, those ethnic groups of people would, literally, start to die off. And it is nearly politically impossible to bring in large numbers of immigrants into those countries, they can barely tolerate the small percentage of immigrants they have today. Look at what happened in France. Immigrants, mostly Muslims from the Mediterranean Arab countries, are 12% of the French population. This has caused an enormous cultural clash and backlash. The neo-Nazi National Front Party (who wants to ship out all Muslim immigrants), is recieving close to 20% of the vote. As a result of this, in the mid-1990s, the mainstream political parties in the French government effectively ended most immigration into France. A number of other west European countries, including Austria and liberal Holland, have followed suit, (due to pressure from, and the rise of, anti-immigration political parties). In the lowest birthrate countries like Japan, Italy,etc. there are even fewer immigrants and more resistance to immigration. It would be politically impossible to bring in large numbers of new immigrants into most countries of West Europe or East Asia without huge social disruption and civil war, especially in the age of terrorism (as we saw recently in Madrid, Spain).
The only solution to this mess is for these countries to do what the Scandinavian countries did in the 1980s. The various Scandinavian governments saw that their countries birthrates were too low and started programs to encourage more young couples to have more children, and even paid these young couples bonuses for their children, and for their day care, and assisted these young families economically, plus providing universal health care. As a result of this, the Scandinavian countries of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland, now have the highest birthrates in West Europe,(along with Ireland and Portugal), and are no longer declining in population, and don't need to bring in large numbers of immigrants to bolster their population therefore avoiding social and political chaos(although they do allow small numbers of immigrants).
Liberals won't admit this, but it is normal for men and women to live together and have enough children to sustain a population. That isn't being a reactionary, or even necessarily right wing politically, certainly the Scandinavians countries are not far right wing, they are quite liberal and tolerant. But they recognize the need to balance out modernity with tradition. Healthy, vital, societies do that.
A certain amount of tradition, of children, and of hetrosexual family life,, is necessary and healthy for a society. For not only population reasons, but for the social fabric of a society and the physical and psychological well-being of a society.
Well a lot of my friends wear veils so I'm pretty used to it. I don't understand why people think its so unfashionable? I mean they look very cute, and its not always black. Some are blue pink what ever colour you can imagine. And as a Christian male I find it perfectly normal and cute. o.o I really dont see the big deal....But I live in NYC so maybe elsewhere in the US there may be prejudice...
But I do have a problem with your attitude....women are tired of the womans right movement? pshh people are all equal and "tradition"(oppression) isn't always right.....in other countries you wouldn't be allowed to read or use the internet for the sake of this so called 'tradition' be proud you have freedom of speech and you can be protected from any other being no matter what class, race, sex or religion......
Assalam Alykum. I was hoping a kind person in here can assist me with this. Recently about a week ago I found an awesome hijabi website that sells scarves and headbands alike. You can buy them 3 in 1 or by themselve at a reasonable price. For the life of me, I CANNOT figure out what the name of the website was. It was something with fashion in it. It wasn't the Tara website. I'm at a lost. I just remember the website having TONS of scarves with a whole bunch of headbands. I think the back ground of the website was pink or purple. Can someone help me please! Thanks
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This current fad with some people of androgony, is just that, a fad. Androgony is aberrant.
