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Hi MzfrizzSmile,
 
Yes Sodium hydroxide is the one with the lye in it. Question: did your hair stay straight and smooth when relaxed with it, or did you get that frizzie straight? Just curious. I have never seen anyone get permanent straight results with it. And when I got it done, my hair would dry stiff and frizzie.
 
The Thio that I use shouldn't really be combed, it should be applied with a tinting brush, if any combing is done it has to be done with a wide toothed comb with polished teeth (such as a mason pearson comb). Otherwise you might get that rubberband effect, or even cause damage. But that is true for any Thio. The hair should never be combed. Depending on the hair texture, some stilysts might even just use their fingers or even the back of the comb to smooth out the hair instead of using a tinting brush. But those are the real experts.
 
Hanna, if that is your hair texture, the Xtenso should have worked great. If it didn't, it was either applied incorrectly, the hair was not processed long enough, or the wrong formula was used. If they used formula 1 and that didn't work, then formula 3 should have been used. Unless you color your hair and they used formula 2, which never gives you the same results. I have super curly, super frizzie, type 3b hair(I mean stick your finger in a socket curly frizzie hair), and the Thio works great for me. If I can figure out how to post a picture here I will post a picture of how my hair looks. You would never believe I have curly hair. No one knows until I tell them. Even when I'm in the caribean, with the heat and high humidity, it will stay perfectly straight. That was never possible with a sodium hydroxide relaxer. My hair would turn into a frizz ball as soon as it got humid. So I don't think your problem was the thio. It was either the formula or the technique. If the person applying the treatment is not an expert, they might not process the hair long enough. My hair takes about 35-40 minutes to process. Most stylist will only process the hair for 20 minutes because that is what the instructions say. However the manufactures put that on the instructions to prevent un-experienced stilysts from overprocessing hair.
 
Also a word of caution. If you used a thio relaxer last year, and the treated hair has not been cut off, you can not use a Sodium hydroxide relaxer. The chemicals are not compatible, and using it will relsult in what is called a chemical hair cut. The chemicals in both types of relaxers, when combined form a substance that is comparable to Nair. So you can imagine what would happen to your hair. It will be destroyed. Once the relaxer overlaps the previously treated hair, is bye bye hair.  That is one way to find out if your stilyst is an expert on chemicals. If they don't know that piece of info, run away, and don't let them perform the service on you.
 
Anyway, with your curl pattern which is almost non-existant, Thio (when performed correctly) will give you straight hair, that is soft and smooth. Sodium hydroxide won't. 
 
Well I hope this helps
 
Good luck and great hair
 
 
 
 
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You should ask your stylist about the main ingredient in matrix, sounds like a thio if you can use heat. I'm no expert, but I don't think I have ever heard of a sodium hydroxide relaxer using heat. Easystraight has 2 or 3 different relaxers in it, I don't know how they do it! 
 
Sometimes loose curl are as difficult to straighten as tight curls. I think it depends on gentics. My great grandmother had crazy, course, kinky, blonde hair. My grandmother had wavy, nice dark, black hair, my dad had black, pretty curls, and I ended up with an unmanageable caramel/auburn mix of it all.
 
 
 
 


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Thanks for the replies!!

Well my problem is that i used xtenso a year ago and it did basically nothing for my hair it continued with that uncontrolled volume and frizz, so i thought that a thio relaxer was junst a really mild thing as i read in many places and it just wont work for me again.

I dont have afro hair i have hair with mid curls i think, but its way less than Julia Roberts! heres a link for a hair that looks like mine(on the left)   http://www.hair-styles.org/fs23.html i have this kind of curls and i dont want to loosen them i want to remove themThumbs%20Down

Btw i tought that matrix was a sodium relaxer!


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SharyG,
 
Sodium hydroxide, that's the one with lye, right? It does work on strong, African hair types, and the lye treated hair that I have experienced stayed straight from wash to air dry. I wanted the hair to curl up a little to braid it, but it just stayed straight.
 
Does your thio have to be combed while it's in your hair? Mine does not, and I think that is why I have okay results with easystraight. My hair "rubberbands" or snaps up curly when I comb my hair durring relaxing it.  
 
I agree that thio, is the best relaxer available for most hair types, and everyone should have someone with experience do it. I also agree that all brands are not created equal. I used one a long time ago that had way too much thio, and burned me bald in patches.
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Yes Matrix is Thio. I personally don't like it, but some people do. I only use Rusk Radical anticurl or L'oreal Xtenso. The difference between the cold smooth and hot smooth(from Matrix) is that the cold smooth will do the same thing than Redken Vertical or Rusk Radical Anticurl would do. It will not permanently straighten the hair, it will texturize it, allowing it to  stay smooth and straight and frizz free after heat styling. The hot smooth is just another name for thermal reconditioning, but it is the same thing. However the real experts don't like the Matrix brand and consider it low quality compared to japanese brands.
 
I personally have never seen anybody be able to achieve permanently straight hair with sodium Hydroxide or guanidine (calcium hydroxide) which is just as strong as sodium hydroxide, just a different chemical. They are simply not designed to produce permanently straight hair. The hair still has to be heat styled straight and the frizz and curl will come back with humidity. Plus you can't really wear it curly because it dryes stiff and frizzie. I recently moved to the caribean and I spend alot of time at my friends Salon, which is one of the most famous ones there. I see people every day get their hair relaxed with Sodium Hydroxide ( hundreds of them) and I haven't seen one who doesn't have to heat style. Even the ones with just wavy hair.
 
You can check out the post "best relaxer. HELP PLEASE" on this same forum. Steve T who is a TR and chemical relaxer expert gives a professional explanation on this.
 
Hanna, if what you are trying to achieve is hair that will allow you to just hop out the shower, and not do anything to it, Sodium Hydroxide will not do that for you. It is a harsh chemical and I personally will not put it in my hair. Thio will give you better results, but you will still have to style your hair straight, unless you get it thermally reconditioned (provided your hair has an s pattern soft curl).
 
If you have any questions you can ask Steve. He can give you all the answers you need. He is the best on the field.
 
I wish you beautifull hair
Much love, Shary


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I have used almost every type of relaxer available.
 
Sodium hydroxide will get some hair completely straight.
 
Thick, strong hair will stay straight with a lye relaxer, applied by an expert!
 
Guanidine is really good, and leaves hair permanantly straight like lye, but the relaxer I used varied in it's strength from box to box, I got burned badly once, and stopped using it.
 
I checked out Matrix, it sounds similar to easy straight, which works okay for me. Is it a thio?
 
I think matrix, if applied by an expert, is probably the best choice for relaxing your hair.
 
You might want to try a Matrix cold smooth, or low temp smooth, before jumping into a hot smooth. A hot smooth will increase the odds of you getting burned bald. I swear by a test strip, but good luck gettting it. I suggest that you just do a discreet, small section of your hair. Wait a week, and then wash and style your hair, and see if the product worked. This way you can choose a different product if you are not satisfied.
 
Good luck!  
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Sodium Hydroxide (lye relaxer) is recomended for african american type hair. It is probably the strongest type of relaxer and can be very damaging even to healthy hair. You will still have to use a blow dryer and/or flat iron to make your hair straight. The only process that is designed to permanently straighten hair is Thermal reconditioning (also known as re-bonding). However it only works if your hair is wavy or has a really soft curl (Think Julia Roberts). Otherwise you will still have to blow dry to get it straight. It is also very expensive ($500-$1500) depending on hair lenght and texture. And you must make sure your stylist is a chemical expert or you will end up with mayor damage and hair loss.
 
How do I know? I've had them all done.
 
What type of hair do you have? If you have kinky, tighly coiled hair then sodium hydroxide would be the way to go. However like I said, it will not give you permanetly straight hair, you will have to blow dry, and your hair will frizz up in high humidity. It will however eliminate the curl, and reduce the bulk, but will not eliminate frizz, hence the need for a blow dryer to smooth and straighten the hair.
 
If you have soft curls then thermal reconditioning will give you the results you are looking for, but you must be very careful when choosing your stylist, and you must be prepared to spend a small furtune, as well as spend 4-6 hours at the salon when getting it done.
 
If you have really curly frizzie hair, then your best choice is a Thio relaxer such as Rusk anticurl, or Loreal Xtenso. Is a milder version of the thermal reconditioner. No heat is used and it is applied on wet, shampooed hair, instead of dry hair like the Sodium Hydroxide. It is less damaging than sodium hydroxide, but will produce far better results. However it will not work on really napy hair (such as african american hair) It will texturize the hair, loosen up and smooth out the curl. Once you blow dry your hair, it will be smooth, shiny and straight, even in high humidity. When you wear it curly, the curls will be smoother, softer and shinier, and will have looser curls. And the best part is that hair has body and movement, and opposed to looking stiff, like with sodium hydroxide.
 
Anyway, if what you are looking for is hair that will allow you to just step out of the shower, and dry up straight without the use of a blow dryer, Sodium hydroxide will not give you that, and any stylist that tells you it will is one you want to run away from. If anything, you will have to take better care of your hair, Do alot of deep conditioning, and blow dry all the time, since your hair will look aweful when left to air dry.
 
Hope that helps
 
Good luck and great hair
Shary


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they alredy analized my hair and told me that it could handle it, anyways i'm looking for a relaxer to reduce the volume and kill my curls!
so what do you know exactly about sodium hydroxide?
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Thumbs%20Down Please don't use Sodium Hydroxide on your head! Relaxers are for a rare breed. Some hair can handle a relaxer, most can't!
 
Tell me about your hair, and what you want to change about it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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So none of you know anything about this?
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Are relaxers made with Sodium Hydroxide able to leave my mid curly hair straight(not to loosen the curls but to dissaper with them)with just aplying the relaxer and dont having to blow dry or use a flat iron?
Does anyone know the loreal matrix line?http://www.matrixbeautiful.com/

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