Banishing Bad Hair Days since 1997!™
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Sodium Hydroxide
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Sodium Hydroxide

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
tbh_hanna View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: November 26 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 11
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbh_hanna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Sodium Hydroxide
    Posted: November 26 2006 at 12:48pm

Are relaxers made with Sodium Hydroxide able to leave my mid curly hair straight(not to loosen the curls but to dissaper with them)with just aplying the relaxer and dont having to blow dry or use a flat iron?
Does anyone know the loreal matrix line?http://www.matrixbeautiful.com/

Thank you!!Tongue

Back to Top
tbh_hanna View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: November 26 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 11
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbh_hanna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2006 at 9:13pm
So none of you know anything about this?
Back to Top
mzfrizz View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: December 01 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mzfrizz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2006 at 1:17am
Thumbs%20Down Please don't use Sodium Hydroxide on your head! Relaxers are for a rare breed. Some hair can handle a relaxer, most can't!
 
Tell me about your hair, and what you want to change about it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by mzfrizz - December 04 2006 at 10:56am
Back to Top
tbh_hanna View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: November 26 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 11
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbh_hanna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2006 at 5:22pm
they alredy analized my hair and told me that it could handle it, anyways i'm looking for a relaxer to reduce the volume and kill my curls!
so what do you know exactly about sodium hydroxide?
Back to Top
Sharyg11 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May 05 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 874
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharyg11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2006 at 10:12pm
Sodium Hydroxide (lye relaxer) is recomended for african american type hair. It is probably the strongest type of relaxer and can be very damaging even to healthy hair. You will still have to use a blow dryer and/or flat iron to make your hair straight. The only process that is designed to permanently straighten hair is Thermal reconditioning (also known as re-bonding). However it only works if your hair is wavy or has a really soft curl (Think Julia Roberts). Otherwise you will still have to blow dry to get it straight. It is also very expensive ($500-$1500) depending on hair lenght and texture. And you must make sure your stylist is a chemical expert or you will end up with mayor damage and hair loss.
 
How do I know? I've had them all done.
 
What type of hair do you have? If you have kinky, tighly coiled hair then sodium hydroxide would be the way to go. However like I said, it will not give you permanetly straight hair, you will have to blow dry, and your hair will frizz up in high humidity. It will however eliminate the curl, and reduce the bulk, but will not eliminate frizz, hence the need for a blow dryer to smooth and straighten the hair.
 
If you have soft curls then thermal reconditioning will give you the results you are looking for, but you must be very careful when choosing your stylist, and you must be prepared to spend a small furtune, as well as spend 4-6 hours at the salon when getting it done.
 
If you have really curly frizzie hair, then your best choice is a Thio relaxer such as Rusk anticurl, or Loreal Xtenso. Is a milder version of the thermal reconditioner. No heat is used and it is applied on wet, shampooed hair, instead of dry hair like the Sodium Hydroxide. It is less damaging than sodium hydroxide, but will produce far better results. However it will not work on really napy hair (such as african american hair) It will texturize the hair, loosen up and smooth out the curl. Once you blow dry your hair, it will be smooth, shiny and straight, even in high humidity. When you wear it curly, the curls will be smoother, softer and shinier, and will have looser curls. And the best part is that hair has body and movement, and opposed to looking stiff, like with sodium hydroxide.
 
Anyway, if what you are looking for is hair that will allow you to just step out of the shower, and dry up straight without the use of a blow dryer, Sodium hydroxide will not give you that, and any stylist that tells you it will is one you want to run away from. If anything, you will have to take better care of your hair, Do alot of deep conditioning, and blow dry all the time, since your hair will look aweful when left to air dry.
 
Hope that helps
 
Good luck and great hair
Shary


Edited by Sharyg11 - August 08 2007 at 2:42pm
Back to Top
mzfrizz View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: December 01 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mzfrizz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2006 at 12:03pm
I have used almost every type of relaxer available.
 
Sodium hydroxide will get some hair completely straight.
 
Thick, strong hair will stay straight with a lye relaxer, applied by an expert!
 
Guanidine is really good, and leaves hair permanantly straight like lye, but the relaxer I used varied in it's strength from box to box, I got burned badly once, and stopped using it.
 
I checked out Matrix, it sounds similar to easy straight, which works okay for me. Is it a thio?
 
I think matrix, if applied by an expert, is probably the best choice for relaxing your hair.
 
You might want to try a Matrix cold smooth, or low temp smooth, before jumping into a hot smooth. A hot smooth will increase the odds of you getting burned bald. I swear by a test strip, but good luck gettting it. I suggest that you just do a discreet, small section of your hair. Wait a week, and then wash and style your hair, and see if the product worked. This way you can choose a different product if you are not satisfied.
 
Good luck!  
 
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by mzfrizz - December 06 2006 at 12:06pm
Back to Top
Sharyg11 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May 05 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 874
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharyg11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2006 at 2:33pm
Yes Matrix is Thio. I personally don't like it, but some people do. I only use Rusk Radical anticurl or L'oreal Xtenso. The difference between the cold smooth and hot smooth(from Matrix) is that the cold smooth will do the same thing than Redken Vertical or Rusk Radical Anticurl would do. It will not permanently straighten the hair, it will texturize it, allowing it to  stay smooth and straight and frizz free after heat styling. The hot smooth is just another name for thermal reconditioning, but it is the same thing. However the real experts don't like the Matrix brand and consider it low quality compared to japanese brands.
 
I personally have never seen anybody be able to achieve permanently straight hair with sodium Hydroxide or guanidine (calcium hydroxide) which is just as strong as sodium hydroxide, just a different chemical. They are simply not designed to produce permanently straight hair. The hair still has to be heat styled straight and the frizz and curl will come back with humidity. Plus you can't really wear it curly because it dryes stiff and frizzie. I recently moved to the caribean and I spend alot of time at my friends Salon, which is one of the most famous ones there. I see people every day get their hair relaxed with Sodium Hydroxide ( hundreds of them) and I haven't seen one who doesn't have to heat style. Even the ones with just wavy hair.
 
You can check out the post "best relaxer. HELP PLEASE" on this same forum. Steve T who is a TR and chemical relaxer expert gives a professional explanation on this.
 
Hanna, if what you are trying to achieve is hair that will allow you to just hop out the shower, and not do anything to it, Sodium Hydroxide will not do that for you. It is a harsh chemical and I personally will not put it in my hair. Thio will give you better results, but you will still have to style your hair straight, unless you get it thermally reconditioned (provided your hair has an s pattern soft curl).
 
If you have any questions you can ask Steve. He can give you all the answers you need. He is the best on the field.
 
I wish you beautifull hair
Much love, Shary


Edited by Sharyg11 - December 07 2006 at 2:34pm
Back to Top
mzfrizz View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: December 01 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mzfrizz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2006 at 6:32pm
SharyG,
 
Sodium hydroxide, that's the one with lye, right? It does work on strong, African hair types, and the lye treated hair that I have experienced stayed straight from wash to air dry. I wanted the hair to curl up a little to braid it, but it just stayed straight.
 
Does your thio have to be combed while it's in your hair? Mine does not, and I think that is why I have okay results with easystraight. My hair "rubberbands" or snaps up curly when I comb my hair durring relaxing it.  
 
I agree that thio, is the best relaxer available for most hair types, and everyone should have someone with experience do it. I also agree that all brands are not created equal. I used one a long time ago that had way too much thio, and burned me bald in patches.
http://str8great.blogspot.com
Back to Top
tbh_hanna View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: November 26 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 11
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbh_hanna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 8:08am

Thanks for the replies!!

Well my problem is that i used xtenso a year ago and it did basically nothing for my hair it continued with that uncontrolled volume and frizz, so i thought that a thio relaxer was junst a really mild thing as i read in many places and it just wont work for me again.

I dont have afro hair i have hair with mid curls i think, but its way less than Julia Roberts! heres a link for a hair that looks like mine(on the left)   http://www.hair-styles.org/fs23.html i have this kind of curls and i dont want to loosen them i want to remove themThumbs%20Down

Btw i tought that matrix was a sodium relaxer!


Edited by tbh_hanna - December 09 2006 at 8:08am
Back to Top
mzfrizz View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: December 01 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mzfrizz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2006 at 3:19pm
You should ask your stylist about the main ingredient in matrix, sounds like a thio if you can use heat. I'm no expert, but I don't think I have ever heard of a sodium hydroxide relaxer using heat. Easystraight has 2 or 3 different relaxers in it, I don't know how they do it! 
 
Sometimes loose curl are as difficult to straighten as tight curls. I think it depends on gentics. My great grandmother had crazy, course, kinky, blonde hair. My grandmother had wavy, nice dark, black hair, my dad had black, pretty curls, and I ended up with an unmanageable caramel/auburn mix of it all.
 
 
 
 


Edited by mzfrizz - December 09 2006 at 3:20pm
http://str8great.blogspot.com
Back to Top
Sharyg11 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May 05 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 874
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharyg11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 3:10am
Hi MzfrizzSmile,
 
Yes Sodium hydroxide is the one with the lye in it. Question: did your hair stay straight and smooth when relaxed with it, or did you get that frizzie straight? Just curious. I have never seen anyone get permanent straight results with it. And when I got it done, my hair would dry stiff and frizzie.
 
The Thio that I use shouldn't really be combed, it should be applied with a tinting brush, if any combing is done it has to be done with a wide toothed comb with polished teeth (such as a mason pearson comb). Otherwise you might get that rubberband effect, or even cause damage. But that is true for any Thio. The hair should never be combed. Depending on the hair texture, some stilysts might even just use their fingers or even the back of the comb to smooth out the hair instead of using a tinting brush. But those are the real experts.
 
Hanna, if that is your hair texture, the Xtenso should have worked great. If it didn't, it was either applied incorrectly, the hair was not processed long enough, or the wrong formula was used. If they used formula 1 and that didn't work, then formula 3 should have been used. Unless you color your hair and they used formula 2, which never gives you the same results. I have super curly, super frizzie, type 3b hair(I mean stick your finger in a socket curly frizzie hair), and the Thio works great for me. If I can figure out how to post a picture here I will post a picture of how my hair looks. You would never believe I have curly hair. No one knows until I tell them. Even when I'm in the caribean, with the heat and high humidity, it will stay perfectly straight. That was never possible with a sodium hydroxide relaxer. My hair would turn into a frizz ball as soon as it got humid. So I don't think your problem was the thio. It was either the formula or the technique. If the person applying the treatment is not an expert, they might not process the hair long enough. My hair takes about 35-40 minutes to process. Most stylist will only process the hair for 20 minutes because that is what the instructions say. However the manufactures put that on the instructions to prevent un-experienced stilysts from overprocessing hair.
 
Also a word of caution. If you used a thio relaxer last year, and the treated hair has not been cut off, you can not use a Sodium hydroxide relaxer. The chemicals are not compatible, and using it will relsult in what is called a chemical hair cut. The chemicals in both types of relaxers, when combined form a substance that is comparable to Nair. So you can imagine what would happen to your hair. It will be destroyed. Once the relaxer overlaps the previously treated hair, is bye bye hair.  That is one way to find out if your stilyst is an expert on chemicals. If they don't know that piece of info, run away, and don't let them perform the service on you.
 
Anyway, with your curl pattern which is almost non-existant, Thio (when performed correctly) will give you straight hair, that is soft and smooth. Sodium hydroxide won't. 
 
Well I hope this helps
 
Good luck and great hair
 
 
 
 
Back to Top
mzfrizz View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: December 01 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mzfrizz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 11:25am
I used lye relaxers a few times, with much anxiety. They worked great on African hair, and did nothing to relax soft curly/wavy blonde hair.
 
My opinion is that lye {applied by an expert!} is best for strong African type hair textures. I think it does little for other hair types.
 
The new thios seem to be the best. I have used easystraight for over a year, and I used to go from one relaxer to another.
 
Thanks for the info about smoothing, I have used other thios that told me to smooth, and I ended up bald at the root, burned on my scalp, and with a lot of damage.
 
I'm no expert, but I think you can only post a pic if you start a new thread/topic. Pics help sooooo much!
http://str8great.blogspot.com
Back to Top
tbh_hanna View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: November 26 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 11
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbh_hanna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 4:03pm

Hummm... do you really think i should try xtenso again?

i dont know i had a lot of people telling me that sodium hidroxyde was stronger to get those curls out, by the way i used the normal xtenso not the cera-thermic one.

Do you currently use  xtenso SharyG?

post a picture for us at imageshack.comStar

What about you mzfrizz?
Back to Top
Sharyg11 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May 05 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 874
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharyg11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2006 at 4:06pm
Yeah I agree with you, lye is the best choice for african american hair. When you said the hair stayed straight I thought you meant regular curly hair. That's where I got confused.
 
In reference to the smoothing with thio, the product should never touch your scalp, or be smooth against your scalp. That's why not all stilysts can perform the service, or not everyone can do it at home. There is alot of info that needs to be learned (believe me I knowLOL!) But I'm glad the easy straight works for you. I guess is one of those freak products that doesn't work for most people, but will work wonders for a few. I personally never tried it, but have read alot ot bad reviews and seen pictures of serious damage. Then again, many people also don't like Rusk anticurl and I love it. So I guess it depends on the individual, as well as their avility to apply the product.
 
Thanks for sharing the info with me. I'll try to post a picture as soon as I get a chance.
 
Much love, Shary
Back to Top
mzfrizz View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: December 01 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mzfrizz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2006 at 3:21pm
I have tried a lot of relaxers, but not those. In the past I used the kiddie, or store box type relaxers, but never found one that made curly hair better. I switched to thio, and had trouble with the stronger brands. I settled on easystraight, because it is the best relaxer for not reverting, and it does the least amount of damage. Easystraight should not overlap other relaxers, but is okay to overlap easystraight relaxer on easystraight relaxed hair. Curly hair is still curly, and needs to be styled, but it will stat straight forever.
 
Heated thio gets hair straighter, is the Xtenso a heated thio?
 
Sodium hydroxide may work for you, try to get your stylist to do a test section for you to make sure your hair does not burn. Make sure the stylist only does the new growth, and I have to tell you that I am more than a little scared about even comming close to the previously relaxed hair with lye.
http://str8great.blogspot.com
Back to Top
Sharyg11 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May 05 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 874
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharyg11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2006 at 3:34pm
No Xtenso is not is not TR. Is regular thio (no heat).
Back to Top
mzfrizz View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: December 01 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mzfrizz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2006 at 3:51pm

Do you have the option of using heat with Xtenso?

I would try a heat thio on the new growth before I switched to a lye based relaxer.
 
Heated thio should give you the results you want.
http://str8great.blogspot.com
Back to Top
Sharyg11 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May 05 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 874
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharyg11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2006 at 4:04pm
No, you can not use heat with Xtenso. The only thios you can use heat with are the ones formulated for TR. I had TR done as I explained above and was not happy at all. I now use the Rusk Radical Anticurl or Xtenso and I am super happy. I wouldn't switch to anything else. Works great, my hair is shiny, smooth and frizz free, and it works great on the regrowth. And since is so cheap, I buy it, and have my friend who owns a salon apply it for me anytime I need to touch up my hair line, which is the only part where the re-growth is really noticesable. The rest of my head only needs to be touched up every 4 months or so.
 
I'm not looking to switch to a lye relaxer. I hate those things. You must be confusing me with hanna. She was the one inquiring about Sodium hydroxide. I wouldn't let that stuff near my hair. I'm a straight thio girl. I haven't figured out how to post a pic, but I posted a picture of my hair at Folica.com on 3/29/06. You can take a look at it if you want. Is under the reviews for the Sedu flat iron and is under my nickname (Shary). The only difference is my hair is much longer now, but it is still as straight and shiny.
Back to Top
Sharyg11 View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May 05 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 874
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharyg11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2006 at 4:22pm
I found my picture at the Folica.com website. The customer reviews for the Sedu 1 1/14 inch iron. At the bottom of the page click page 6 and you will find my picture. The before picture is what my curly hair looks like now (after being relaxed with the Rusk radical anticurl). Before it was a frizzie, super curly nightmare. If you click on page 3 you will see pictures of my nieces. Their hair is of course not relaxed but I do flat iron it once in a while. My hair is as curly as the first picture, but as frizzie (actually more frizzie)as the second picture. Before the thio my hair looked like I stuck my wet finger in a socket. Thank God for Rusk!

Edited by Sharyg11 - December 12 2006 at 4:51pm
Back to Top
tbh_hanna View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: November 26 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 11
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbh_hanna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2006 at 4:19pm
cute girls!Smile
did you hair look like theirs before relaxing?
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down