Navy Question

You have one too, Diane, that`s how I feel about Elvis too. A fascinating man.

Fun fact(oid?): Elvis used his mamma`s curlers when experiminting with his unique styles early on.

Duke, Elvis Presley is my hero. My love. The most beautiful man that ever live and one heck of a singer.......... I have almost all his songs. He also looks good on black velvet right about the sofa in most homes. Hum I wonder where I put mine........

Elvis Presley looked good in a crewcut, sideburns and whatever. I think it should have been illegal for him to join the army because his looks, his voice was probably an illegal weapon of some sorts lol

Seriously will always love that man. Have a good Christmas Duke.

At first Waggy I thought your information about Isreal was correct . NowI have to really question your information because every Isreal news clip I see on CNN and other programs shows the Isreal men in the army with short hair. They do have beards but short hair. So whats the deal here? You claimed that they don`t need to cut their hair, this might be right but the reality is that they choose to do so for the obvioius reasons that you are argueing against. That should tell you something. I am sure that the whole Isreal army doesn`t cut their hair at that moment for our viewing on the news. I haven`t seen one of them with long hair in the newspaper, on the internet or whatever so this tells me that they choose to cut their hair because of the obvious reasons.
I will also add that I have come across some very nice people from Isreal that I have worked closely with during my years serving the community. The young girls had long hair but the wives had shorter hair and all the husbands I met had short hair. Today around our city and I see that the girls are cutting their hair.
Besides showing that you are short tempered you should reallly learn and be current. I am very multi cultural person who had the pleasure of hearing and experiencing other cultures. There is a lot of beauty in every culture.
YOu are entitle to your comments but I find it very disrespectful to say your comments about the reason why people join the army and your attitude toward them. It seems to me that you have no knowlege or experience being near the army or you assume what their thoughts are.I also don`t feel you respect women who do join the army. Maybe its is your background but beleive me women have been in combat and are prepared. You are living in the states where women are involved. You certainly don`t respect my friends who go off and save your butt by your previous comments. Obviously you have never been around people who have decided to give their lives to protect you. aGain it is very obvious that you don`t have long hair because you would know what problems can occur. Your Isreal army friends understand this. I have long hair so has Jennifer etc. There are reasons to laws. I think for Christmas someone needs to buy you a TV so you can be with the current events around the world.
Also you argue with Jennifer how it doesn`t make sense since most of them never seem combat. Let`s take a fireman for example. On their day off they continue to work out and when they are on duty they work out even though there is no fire. Always prepared for the worse. Always in shape. In the army maybe some of them will never see combat and hopefully more in the future will never but since Sept 11 things have change. We all know that they work out and are always prepared for the worse mentally and physically including haircuts. It wouldn`t make sense to not be prepared for the worse 100% of the time. Besides mocking me of my friends you should thank and respect an army person that you meet next time because without them you wouldn`t be safe in the USA. Hair is nothing to miss when lives at stake.

Jennifer - you are just completely wrong - most of the people who have served in the military have never seen combat. Most of the time there IS no combat to go to.

As far as a career move goes - don`t be ridiculous. The military is very secure and has great retirement and benefits plus you get to travel. Most of the people I know in the military (and I know plenty) did not all of a sudden get a surge of patriotism during a war time, they chose the military for benefits.

I repeat - the Israeli army is one of the best around - they don`t require anyone to keep their hair cut and they DO see combat on a much more regular basis.

You are so over hyping "being in the military" it`s ridiculous to enforce rules that MIGHT apply to an emergency situation when most of the military personnel is never in those type of situations...wags

I said, "It seems to me that the number 1 reason for serving in the military is to defend one`s country."

And you replied, "That is not correct. REasons are - it is required (in some countries) and it`s a good career move (in most countries)."

I`m afraid this will be news to the military! I understand that in some countries serving is mandatory, not optional, but the reason for serving is the same.

Concerning your second point, the military is not "set up" to provide careers for people! Its mission is to defend the country! And as such, individual fashion and individuality cannot take priority over national security.

Jennifer

. Most countries don`t even allow women into combat.

Where do you get your information Waggy? We have a museum over here and we are proud to have the first air fighter in the world that was rewarded many pins etc and guess what she was a woman and very beautiful. Check it out in our Canadian history. Canada is a country that women fight. Equal rights. She was around before you were probably born.
There is a whole write about these women that people admire, thier picture etc. I am starting to think you don`t know your history especially when you brought up Israel.
It is not required in Canada to join the army. People join because they want to serve their country. I wouldn`t say its a good career move. Sure the governent give education but the pay isn`t good at first and sure you might have a chance to have a job afterwards like maybe work in the Canadian Post Office. But you must be prepare to go into combat. And seriously Waggy where have you been with the news these days. ONe of our best female air fighters come from my home town and the whole town is hoping that she is safe. It`s on CNN and everything about us, our part etc. Turn on the TV for goodness sakes .................. One of my female classmates went into combat in other countries. GEt your remote and start watching history. Canada is a country you know. Look on the map lol.
My father didn`t join the army because of a career move nor did my grandfather nor will my son that is seriously thinking about it. All our War war 11 veterans were serious about our country. OUr city is totallly cleared up because of September 11 and everyone is serious about protecting our countries. YOur attitude about the army is seriously starting to peave me. You should thank God that not everyone has this attitude and you are safe because someone didn`t join the army for a career change but to save your butt.

reasons people should shave there head in a combat situation:

1) when in hand to hand combat the enemy can grab your hair and use that to there advantage to help gain more control.

2) When stuck in the woods or at sea for long peroids of time it will help prevent lice from forming and spreading amoungest the group

3) If a fire breaks out you don`t have to worry about you hair going up. Hair is very flamible

4) getting stuck in bushes and trees, gears, machine parts etc...

5) causing the loose of concentration in critical moments. Like falling in the eyes or tickling the face.

Me personally. If were to go into the miltary no matter who, or what I am. I would shave my head for thew reasons above and I would do it before.

The only negative thing I could think as to having a shaved your head would be it would get sunburn.

The only positive thing about having hair is it could be used to make string in a sticky situation, maybe as if it is brown or matches the enviroment it could help camoflage.

Yes, I see what you mean, Jennifer, but I must re-iterate, haircuts are not essential to this. How
were wars won before hair was part of the dress code? You can`t force a feeling of unity, you can
just try to stimulate it. At any rate, a basic uniform does this. I don`t care even about, like, the same
color socks, but your hair is a part of your body, even if a renewable one. I don`t want the people
who defend my country to be robots, just well-disciplined.

This attatched to your hair idea is also something that I take issue with. Aren`t you attatched to
the color of your eyes, the length of your members, the shape of your nose etc? Disfigurements
unfortunately do happen, but that doesn`t make people automatically not care about their body. I
don`t care if hair is renewable. It still grows on your body and is part of you. No the army is not a
beauty contest, but it shouldn`t feel a special license to be an uglification process.

I also think this is silly. Military personnel of either sex should act like "people", not like "men". Just
as I think it`s unfair to give female soldiers buzzcuts, so I think, as said above, that men should
be allowed long hair, as long as you put it up.

Fun fact: in the British army, from somewhere in the 18th century until 1809, you had to have long hair which you`d braid and at least on ceremonial occasions, you had to put this sloppy pomade on it and
powder it with flour or something, as if you were a "gentleman of quality". If your hair was not long enough for this, in at least one regiment, you had to acquire an extension the same color as your hair.,
and attatch it. So why don`t we stay away from extremes, and enforce only those hair rules that are
absolutely necessary? :) :D :)

oh yeah, if she does choose to cut it, have her do it now, for when she joins any haircuts will be performed quickly and messy, ive heard horror stories.

`Xcuse me - but first ??? "posted on 18-Dec-2001 10:04:11 PM
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Well it is very obvious why haircutting wouldn`t be required in Israel, Waggy. Why would you bring that up? It doesn`t belong.

What the heck is that supposed to mean - I brought it up because it`s true - and why is it "obvious" - it`s not "obvious" to me. And Pardon me but I`ll decide what I think belongs.

As to my hair - you don`t know me from Adam - and you are wrong to boot.

WoozieWoo - I think you have it on the nose - if it becomes a problem people will take care of it as they see fit themselves. We don`t need regulation imposed by other for situations that don`t have any sense and are there simply as a way of bullying and throwing unnecessary weight at the people. Keep to what is important...wags