Hi. I just wanted to post in response to your questions about long hair. Oh, boy, do I ever know what you mean about people with long scraggly looking hair. I have four foot long healthy hair and NEVER have split ends. I keep it trimmed and generally in a braid or up in a bun. I don't wear it down often, mainly because it invites tangles, which require brushing. Brushing causes breakage. The less brushing, the better. At any rate. I have to admit, it drives me nuts when a person states that the length of one's hair is down to the knees, when in fact the hair is raggedy shaped on the ends, and only the middle section of the hair is that long. Trim that nasty mess, please! As for all of the expensive hair treatments, shampoos, conditioners, etc....this is for the birds. If you take care of your hair you do not need all of this nonsense. Mind you, a good conditioner is needed, but the most important part of growing long hair is CARING for it. Blow dryers, curling irons, wind, excessive brushing...all bad for your hair. Wash it, braid it and go. Let it dry itself. Hair thrives on moisture, let it have some! Take it from me, I've had long hair all of my life. I wear it down occasionally and get tons of compliments...and sure enough, they always mention how healthy it is, and it truly is healthy. Let it grow. Braid it wet. Stop blow drying it. Simple as that. It won't be knee length overnight, so be patient. Care for your hair. Love your hair, and it will reward you. >>>>>>>> Now, I pose a few questions for those with long hair: if everyone wore their hair long, would you wear yours long too, or would you cut it, just to be different? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would wear mine long because I know how to take care of it and my hair indeed is beautiful because I have taken care of it. I would have pride in knowing that my hair looks and IS healthy, therefore I wouldn't look like everyone else. In terms of personality, I don't think that there is any particular stereotype...just a thing. Like long fingernails, people who like cats, don't like cats, etc. :-) Karen Marie
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I love long hair, especially if it's curly. I'm a university student, and I've noticed that a lot of girls wear their hair past their shoulders, mostly mid-back, so they can easily braid it back quickly in time for class. Makes sense, but I'm 5'0", and 80 lbs., so I find short hair definitely more flattering on me. While I do have to spend extra time with the hair dryer, if it gets too long, it seems to hide the rest of me! =) So, no, I would not conform to society's love for long hair. It's much more important that the person wearing the hair llikes the look, and looks good with it. - Aeva
Jennifer. I agree with your assertion about some men and their sad controlling nature. I see it in some of my friends relationships and I really wonder how long they will last, but I have to say that women can be just as control orientated as men. You must have seen cases of this, as I have. I can't imagine myself how anyone could pressure the person they supposedly love, to do something that would make them unhappy.
My last sentence was written as a somewhat provocative addendum to engender reaction. This is Hair Politics after all & us Hair Politician's do fly the occasional kite to see if it takes off.. :-)
The most important thing is to love the person for who & what they are, not what you want them to be, or the relationship is doomed..
Kind Regards.. Iggy..
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You are very fortunate man. I wish there were more ladies out there like your wife,who is willing to keep her long hair for a man to enjoy. Most ladies,who keep their long hair at the request of a man,will ask the man,to help take care of it,which is a reasonable request. Long hair that is well taken care,has a beautiful,magnificent, appearance of ladies identity.
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You are very fortunate man. I wish there were more ladies out there like your wife,who is willing to keep her long hair for a man to enjoy. Most ladies,who keep their long hair at the request of a man,will ask the man,to help take care of it,which is a reasonable request. Long hair that is well taken care,has a beautiful,magnificent, appearance of ladies identity.
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Your hair sounds lovely, PD! The tangling does remind me of mine, but I've found it can be eased a bit with the right shampoos and conditioners, thank goodness. It's for this reason that wearing it down is infrequent for me, too, but also special and why I sometimes like to "show it off," to get back to one of your original "political" questions. :-)
Yes, those braided updos do look complicated. I bet they're so pretty on you. With my French twist style, I often take the remaining ponytail and wrap it around the twisted part, starting where the tail begins and wrapping my way upwards. Then I put the leather barrette in, and voila! It protects those ends, holds wonderfully and comes undone in a snap.
My hair is a strange sort of red color. My mom calls it chesnut, but I'm not sure what chesnut looks like, so I don't know. In the summer it turns to a dark sort of strawberry blond. Like yours, it's very fine and completely straight. I wish it were thick and full, but I guess nothing in life is perfect, so I try to make the best of what I have. I always wear it up in a braid that's put up in a bun. Makes it look like a fancy, complicated style, but really it's the easiest one I've found thus far! I can't afford to wear it down too often because of it's texture-- even the slightest breeze makes it all tangled. Besides, wearing it up helps protect it from exposure to the air which dries it out.
I visit the sites you mentioned (TILHC and TLHS) every once in a while, and I saw all of your photos. You are such a beautiful person! I didn't realize that the woman in the photos and you are one and the same person. And that modified french twist style-- I've tried it and it works pretty well. I still prefer to wear my hair up, to protect my ends. But whenever I need a change in style, I do various "do's" similar to the one you showed.
You're right. This topic isn't very political:) Oh, what the heck. They don't have to read it if they don't want to.
It has been very nice meeting you too, Jennifer. PD
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Absolutely not! Any guy I am involved with would certainly know what my hair means to me, so his asking me this would indicate extreme insensitivity or appalling arrogance. I would consider it a very bad indicator for the endurance factor of the relationship, as I've been involved with power and control men before, and it's not a good basis for a relationship. Keep in mind, I'm responding to your words, "...if a partner loved short hair & PRESSED you to?" It makes me shudder.
There is another group of people who wear their hair long. Those that are doing it to please their partners.
My own wife is in this group. She tells me often that she only grew and keeps her hair long because I asked her to and as a demonstration of her feelings for me. Obviously I take this as a huge compliment & do all I can to show my appreciation & encourage her. I help with her hair by washing combing styling it etc, whenever I can. I enjoy that aspect too, she enjoys the attention and I think it strengthens our relationship.
How do others view growing or keeping their hair long for their partner? Conversley, would any of you long haired girls/boys consider cutting your hair if a partner loved short hair & pressed you to?
Iggy..
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So what color is your hair? It sounds wonderful, so far. Tell me more...
Mine is honey brown, so I've heard it called, because in the sunlight, it changes to this awesome coppery-gold color, all lit up in highlights. In the bleak midwinter, it's medium-to-dark brown, though not black-brown. There's always a hint of highlight. It's also very straight and of a super fine texture. Karen had a photo of me posted a few months ago on the main page here at the Hair Boutique, one she obtained from Dave Tichenor at TILHC from a photo shoot he and I did not quite 2 years ago. He has a page dedicated to me at his site, and hopefully he'll update it soon. Note that the photos there are all very dark, so snag one and lighten it up in a photo editing program, if you can. I'm also at the bottom of the '99 Photo Contest page. That pic shows my highlights really nicely.
At TLHS, Frank has several photos of me in a step-by-step series as I put my hair up in this wrapped French twist style I came up with. It's in the Hair Care/Styles section. BTW, that style is soooo quick to do, once you get the hang of it! How do you do your hair, you know, for those less-than-romantic times, like most of the time?
Isn't this discussion politically charged? LOL!
Glad to hear you're taking good care of yourself. I've improved my habits significantly, too, especially where my hair is concerned.
I'm somewhere around 5'7 or 5'8. Depends on my mood:)
I know what you mean about stress. Seems like it has become a part of this culture. I found, however, that when I started taking proper care of my hair about two years ago (trimming, oil treatments, better quality products, supplements, etc.), many of the vitamins (allong with a few good changes in my life) seemed to help the stress. I never realized how much of an effect nutrition has on the state of mind, not to mention overall body health. The change was very drammatic on my hair. From dry, frizzy, split ends and clogged up scalp, I suddenly had shiny, full, moisturized hair that was growing like crazy! I wish I had known about proper hair care (and stress reduction methods!) earlier. Life would have been much easier. Anyways. My hair has gotten where I wanted it to be, and I'm keeping it at knee length...at least for now:)
With your attitude, you sure will! Besides, a year and a half isn't all that long. I know that for me, what helped was putting my hair up. This way I would not be used to seeing it down. Then, every once in a while, I would take a long time observing it in the mirror, and I'd always be surprized how long it has gotten. Mind tricks-- gotta love'em!
PD
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My hair is a couple of inches below my knees, I guess. When it reached right above my knees, it seemed to slow down for a while. There was quite a bit of stress in my life about then, so I attribute the slowness to that. Now it seems to be growing again. I'm psyched. I'm also fairly tall, at 5'-8". You?
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I'm still a good year-and-a-half from where I want to be. But the top of my hair is playing catch-up with the bottom because it was originally very layered in the back. Ah well, I'll get there!
Hi Jennifer, only a few more inches, eh? Sounds like you're almost there!
More often than not, we have to be patient with unpleasant things in our lives. I find that growing out hair is an exception to this. Even if it is not yet the desirable length, it is so fun taking care of hair, that the process of growing it out is more rewarding than the goal, especially when you're almost there.
Take care, PD
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>>Long haired people have to be patient and able to see the long term.
I think that is quite an understatement. {grin} As my hair is growing out, it's starting to get to a "chunky" stage. Well-shaped short hair can look good, but the really thick short hair is not appealing to me in the least. It would look a lot better if I texturized it and had it shaped, but it would also hinder growth. Although length wouldn't actually be cut off, eventually, the texturized (slightly shorter) parts would need trimming, and it would just be easier to trim the rest of the hair to that length, as well. If my hair were several inches longer, it would look fantastic right now! It's thick, healthy, and shiny. But this in-between stuff is the reason many people don't let it grow out. It is frustrating!
Actually Ally the whole point is that long hair is rare right? Then if long hair is rare then there are many other lenghts that share the some common grounds right?
** Sure. But I think most distinctive, extreme looks (very long hair, a mohawk, a shaved head) have particular inspiration. They are not mainstream styles. They're not something you see in a magazine one day and bring in to your hairstylist to try out.
Just would like to know if you actually seen a Vampire or even believe in Vampires or you happen to be a fan of Buffy the Vampire story line? lol
** I don't believe in vampires, nor am I a fan of Buffy. (I've never seen it, alas.) But I do roleplay live-action Vampire, a gaming system produced by WhiteWolf of Atlanta. Many of the players wear very long hair. I have a mid-back-length fall and a waist-length wig that I wear to play certain characters.
Witches well they don't normally come out and announced themselves so we have no idea if they have rules to their lenght of hair. In fact I have come across one and she had short hair.
** I am a practicing witch who lives a couple of hours outside Salem. I can't say this enough times: Not ALL witches have long hair. And it's not a rule. But people who live the Wiccan lifestyle are /more likely/ to choose long hair, because of cultural and spiritual influences. Because we embrace nature, for example, we are more likely to see long hair as a treasure. Because we refer to and/or commune with various goddesses, and these goddesses are usually portrayed with long, flowing hair, some us of idealize this look. We see ourselves as romantic and different, and we like the outside to reflect the inside.
The biggest Gothic store is here Ally and I wouldn't say they happen to have long hair. Maybe mediun lenght. I have seen a male shopping at Walmart. Oh that was fun. Maybe they play with wigs but certainly I haven't seen to many with natural long hair.
** Around here, if you go to Manray or Gotham City or The Bank (before it closed), you can see lots of young people with very long hair. It's part of that morbid, romantic look.
Ally I wasn't drawing any conclusions but it seems very interesting how quickly you seem to defend.
** I was quick to defend myself because it seemed that (1) you were belittling me, and (2) that you completely misunderstood what I wrote. I don't like being laughingly contradicted for something I didn't even say. "All people from Utah have long hair" is not just a misinterpretation of what I wrote; it's a downright idiotic statement that I don't care to be associated with!
What I have notice that long hair in your opinion would certainly have a diffirent defination than mine for sure and that is okay.
** Could be....
Take it easy, Diane.
Ally ;)
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Actually Ally the whole point is that long hair is rare right? Then if long hair is rare then there are many other lenghts that share the some common grounds right?
Just would like to know if you actually seen a Vampire or even believe in Vampires or you happen to be a fan of Buffy the Vampire story line? lol
Witches well they don't normally come out and announced themselves so we have no idea if they have rules to their lenght of hair. In fact I have come across one and she had short hair. The biggest Gothic store is here Ally and I wouldn't say they happen to have long hair. Maybe mediun lenght. I have seen a male shopping at Walmart. Oh that was fun. Maybe they play with wigs but certainly I haven't seen to many with natural long hair. I am aware of SCA. I been to Utah. Ally I wasn't drawing any conclusions but it seems very interesting how quickly you seem to defend.What I have notice that long hair in your opinion would certainly have a diffirent defination than mine for sure and that is okay. Have a nice day Ally
And I love your adorable way of misconstruing what was said. Ha ha ha. Ha.
Diane, you've completely twisted my post around. I stated (pretty darned clearly) that most long hairs have one of the listed factors as an inspiration or background. I did NOT state the corollary, which is that everyone covered by these descriptions has long hair. OBVIOUSLY that is not true.
The women modeling lingerie are /models/, are they not? I listed models as a separate category.
And I did not say that VAMPIRES have long hair. Duh. I referred to "people who love period clothing, historical romance, medieval re-creation, roleplaying, vampires, etc." The serial commas indicate that "vampires" is the object of "people who love," hence "people who love vampires." Perhaps you are not familiar with the vast American and Canadian subculture that shops for velvet and leather wardrobes at stores like Hot Topic, modeling their look after Gothic art and vampire lore. They dye their hair dark colors and wear dramatic ensembles with capes, top hats, and black lace. These people are usually between 14 and 24, and they frequent "Goth" clubs dedicated to this trend. Many of them have very long hair as part of the look.
There is also an international organization called the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA), whose members re-create medieval costume, dining, dance, and fighting styles. Many of its members are so dedicated to the pastime that they wear their hair long, as they would have in the Middle Ages. There are many variations on this theme in the form of live roleplaying groups all over the world.
And of COURSE I did not say that all women from Utah have very long hair. But the fact is that Utah has the largest population of conservative Mormons in the country. Have you ever seen articles or documentaries on these communities? I'm especially talking about places where polygamy is still an issue. Many (not ALL) of the women have /very/ long hair and are discouraged from cutting it short. There are many, many forms of Christianity, and many levels of conservatism under its umbrella. In some factions, where old-fashioned sensibilities prevail, young women tend to wear their hair very long.
And before you draw another skewed conclusion, let me clarify: I am not saying that everyone with long hair is from Utah. I am not saying that everyone in Utah is Mormon. I am not saying that all (or even most) Mormons are polygamists. I am not saying that all Christians have long hair. I am not saying that long hairs should convert to Christianity. I am not saying that vampires should convert to Christianity. I am not saying that lingerie models consort with vampires, seeking virgin blood to maintain their size-2 figures and add shine to their hair. I feel certain you will find something I have missed and feel the need to call me on it in your next post.
Anyway, I believe the thread was about /very/ long hair, and what kinds of people adopt extreme length. I listed some examples, and I stand by what I said.
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