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Of course you're right Jasmine, it's all about individual choice.


You are so right Brent, the worst of us are breeding too much and the good people not enough!!!.
If Uzi had kids they would all grow up to work in humanitarian and scientific fields and do great things for people and the environment. But it is people like me the average nobodies-(or worse!)- that are having the kids. People like me, the common rabble, who just work our little jobs, drink beer and eat hamburgers, and basically just want to go on our own little selfish way, and have fun, and most of the time could care less about saving the world.


Actually it's the religious nuts who are having the most kids. I read an article in the paper about this weird fundamentalist Christian religious cult who live in St. Paul. They have about ten kids per family.


The reason the Middle East is so messed up and getting worse is because for the past 30 years, the Orthodox Jews, not the moderate Jews, and the Fundamentalist Muslim Palestinians, not the moderate Muslims, have been having most of the kids over in the Middle East. They are raised as religious loonies of course and then they grow up and kill each other in the name of God and their respective "Holy" books, -(or their misinterpetation of the Holy books)-.
Between these religious nuts and the greedy rich people, the rest of us are S.C.R.E.W.E.D!!!
That's why when I hear George Bush and his people say it's great that we are bringing democracy to Iraq, I really wonder, is it? They will probably either elect a moron like Saddam Hussein-(or for that matter George W.)- or else they will elect a religious nut, like the idiots that run Iran. So where is the progress!


And it's too late for Eugenics, getting the Uzma's of the world to breed more and the idiots to breed less. The rabble are already too numerous. If you don't believe me, go out and drive your car. Look at all the idiot drivers on the road!
Look at all the stupid T.V. shows that are popular like these dumb "reality" shows, which are actually "unreality", they are just stupid contrived shows. There are a thousand examples of how humanity is dumbing itself down. Or maybe we were always sort of stupid and poorly behaved. Who knows?

To show you how evolved I am , I'm teed off tonight because Kathy came home from work and drank a beer that my ex left here, but because I'm pregnant I can't drink a beer-(I never drink any booze when I'm knocked up)-. So I'm annoyed. I feel like drinking a beer, but I won't. And that's tough for a person from Wisconsin! Half of our diet is cheese, beer and bratwurst!


You see what the rabble is concerned with? Not saving the world but eating and drinking!-( oops, almost forgot, sex too!)-

I'm so sorry for your loss, Monica.
Hope things improve in your life soon.
I'll PM you.

Lots of love.

It's down to individual perspectives and personal choice, Brent.
Not a case of "good" and "bad" - nothing so simplistic.

With regard to my use of the term "selfish", let me clarify that those who reproduce may do so for personal physiological fulfillment (or whatever other reason) and it is the most natural and valid thing for humans to do. Almost a primary objective.

The amount of sacrifices I have seen parents make for their kids is anything but selfish.
My comments were made from an anthropological top-down perspective, considering the large-scale scenario we have created.

I consider the big city a zoo and our lives here lived in cages. We display all the paranoia and isolationist behaviour that other animals display when they are confined.
Hence, I would not want to bring another inmate into this, albeit open, prison.

I often escape out into areas of wilderness and get a taste of what it could be like to breathe free air. The return to London is difficult and is becoming intolerable.

Jacqui - I have the utmost respect and admiration for you and the way you are bringing up your brood. You are nurturing hope.

Bless you .

Uzma and Tina are a microcosm of what's wrong with the world. Uzma the good girl doesn't breed and Tina the bad girl breeds. Ha! No wonder things are getting worse!(just kidding Tina).

Out here in California it's allways the end of the world. There is so much murder, mayhem, and chaos that they don't even show most of it on the news... Just hop in your car, throw on your Beach Boys or Nine Inch Nails CD, and go out into the traffic jams!
If I was a rational fellow I would do what so many Californians are doing and move myself and my family out to the mountains of Idaho or Utah. But I would be bored out there, all that space and fresh air. I like the chaos and excitment of the city.

Geeez you people are serious! .

Tina’s off-topic comments are inflammatory, so I am going to break my own assertion that this belongs on a different board and provide that response.
Note: I am just expressing my personal viewpoint and do not intend offense to those who have chosen a different lifestyle. Each to their own.

We are undoubtedly bipedal, big-brained primates.
There is nothing “stinking” about any animal. I say that as a fully fledgedand functioning non-remissional lycanthropic ape.
The stinking thing is what our species has done and is doing with its phenomenal intellectual and physical gifts. It has slaughtered other species to extinction and murders it’s own. It has enslaved and tortured both. No “stinking” ape or animal does that. No other species elevates it’s destruction of it’s own and as an achievement.
The incredible “advances” we have made in agriculture, industry, medicine and technology have been instrumental in allowing our species to multiply it’s numbers to unsustainable proportions, negatively altered the planets ecological balance and made us war-mongering, greedy and deceitful.

We are so far gone, we no longer know what it would be like to live a free and natural life – we no longer value it as we have “freed” ourselves of it.
Do I want to reproduce and thereby contribute to this mess? Not at all.
There are others who are doing so and the world population is still increasing at an incredible rate, regional trends notwithstanding.
I choose to opt out.
I choose not to have dependents because I am busy coping with the situations that confront me and doing something positive and constructive with my energy.

This is not self-pity. Nor disengagement with the reality of who we are and what we are capable of. It is a well-thought out decision. Words like “sap” or “twerp” presume weakness and are actually the opposite of the truth. I am a woman with her reproductive instinct intact.
I consider it an act of personal wisdom to over-ride that urge. It was not an easy decision, but one that I will defend.
I could have had kids and been happy in my little unit, but that would be selfish and inward looking. That would be cocooning myself away from the broader realities of life and it didn’t fit my need to behave responsibly as a global citizen of Planet Earth.

If you look at the increase in homosexuality, lesbianism, cancers of the reproductive organs and viral-related deaths across the globe, one possible deduction is that Nature is contraceiving or culling this species in order to control the population.
I’m fully supportive of Her agenda.

Tina – this world is only a c.r.a.p.h.o.l.e beacause we have made it into one by s.c.r.e.w.i.n.g. it up. I belive we have an individual and collective responsibility to try and put that right, not keep adding to the c.r.a.p, closing our eyes and having a party.

[QUOTE=uzma] Too many personal insults on this thread

Duke - I'm right with you - and respect your viewpoint.
I have chosen not to have children because the city/society I live in is sick and dangerous, the relationships people form tend to be unstable and dis-functional and a myriad other reasons.
However, this subject does not belong on the Long Hair Support board, so I'll say no more about it here.

The above "unknown" poster needs to engage some basic good manners.

Please be polite, respectful and relevant.


i couldn't said it beter myself uzma. why are people being so cruel to to her? she came her for support because her son's hair was cut against her wishes.

Cadensmama - That is aweful! As a mom of 3 boys and 1 girl I can relate to a lot of what everyone has said here. First off - a 17 month old definitely has a clear sense of him/herself. Out of all of my kids, 2 of the 3 boys Now 6 and 8 yrs) have always wanted their hair short - one likes it long (4 yrs old) and my daughter, who just turned 2 has been asking me to get her hair cut (which I did) and has proceeded to show it off to anyone who will admire it for the past month. I guess I just think there are other battles I would prefer to win with my kids.

Anyway - The thing I think is totally wrong is for grandma to push HER own personal style on your child without permission. believe me - IMO you did the right thing (this comes from experience) She would continue this type of controlling behavior in other aspects if you didn't put your foot down now.

Good intentions are not good intentions if only one party thinks they are. jmho

jacqui

I agree Brent. Kids are worth it.
You are right Duke, I did write that it's ok for boy's to have long hair and go ahead and teach them karate . But I was thinking more of older boys when I wrote that, not little boys. I was obviously being silly too in the way I wrote it.

Erinlynn wrote: I dont know if I want kids. Ive experienced things I dont want them to experience. But I know if i ever do have kids they will hurt as I have. maybe in different ways but there are people out there who will casue them pain. Hopefuly my kids wont be the ones causeing the pain. Its a tough world and a tough choice for someone who loves deeply and has felt pain and conciders the possibility of a child with the reality of bringing someone into a world of pain and pleasure alike.

I have had similar thoughts, because depression strongly runs in my family, and if I had a child I'm sure they would have a high chance of inheriting that. I personally wouldn't want anyone to go through all of the things I have, and I don't consider that a selfish decision. At this point I would consider either adopting abroad or just keeping pets, since I love animals so much.