QuoteReplyTopic: Mr. Marvin the Martian Posted: January 12 2000 at 2:53am
Andy,If you are going to be a regular poster, could you let me know as I post under my name (Andy) as well - I'm quite happy to use a pseudoname if you like. Mail me on noctule@hotmail.com.I do agree, rational discussion is better than flaming arguement.Andy
Yes I must confess that I am with Jade21. I will see snotty comments posted and then stop visiting or else I just read the posts from people I know are really talking about hair like Cher, Dawn, Jenifer, Karen, Tamara etc.I am sorry Diane was attacked. That was unkind. However, this is Hair Talk and that is what I come for. I think the disguntled non-hair talkers should take all the sniping and snottiness to the Personals page.Just my thoughts.Sara> I also agree that the Hair Boutique should be an open,> but gentle forum. We are talking about hair care and> related topics. In fact, I have gone through periods> when I do not visit the Hair Talk section because of> the sniping and snide remarks by a variety of folks.> To Diane, I am sorry that someone attacked you because> of your English skills. However, if you are viewed as> controversial by any person for whatever reason,> expect an attack. If someone attacks you for something> like your English skills, realize that he or she was> frankly frustrated, exasperated or had very little> ammunition to develop an adequate retort.
> Karen,> I agree with you and Dawn & Jeff.> Amen to kinder & gentler.> AndyI also agree that the Hair Boutique should be an open, but gentle forum. We are talking about hair care and related topics. In fact, I have gone through periods when I do not visit the Hair Talk section because of the sniping and snide remarks by a variety of folks.To Diane, I am sorry that someone attacked you because of your English skills. However, if you are viewed as controversial by any person for whatever reason, expect an attack. If someone attacks you for something like your English skills, realize that he or she was frankly frustrated, exasperated or had very little ammunition to develop an adequate retort.
Karen,I agree with you and Dawn & Jeff.Amen to kinder & gentler.Andy> Hi Dawn,> Very well put.> I like your idea about writing your comments and then> saving them for later & not sending them.> That technique has saved me MANY times in my corporate> life when I get email from someone and than I decide I> want to go punch them out. Instead I write them a> response email, hang on to it and wait until I am sure> that I really do want to punch them out. (Only> kidding).> Usually I decide I misunderstood the intent of the> email. So then I don't have to go punch em. Which> saves on manicures. :-) Also I have managed to have> the same job for many years. :-)> Also...another point. Email is so impersonal that you> can't see a person's face, hear their voice or figure> out if they are just not expressing themself well.> In person I have a very strong sense of humour and> sometimes I sound borderline sarcastic. I have to be> very careful when I send email that people don't take> it the wrong way.> I think you made some great points and I agree.> Kinder, gentler is my preference as well. :-)> Hugs to all.> KarenRelated Link:Another Example Of Graduated Cut W/ Layers
Dawn,If you hadn't said this I was going to do it myself.Thanks.To all the rest,Please let's refrain from the discussion of long hair vs. short hair and also refrain from personal attacks on Hair Talk participants.Let's get this board backt to its primary focus and that is Hair Care and Hair Styling.Enough said...Thanks,Jeff.Related Link:Hair Talk
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Hi Dawn,Very well put.I like your idea about writing your comments and then saving them for later & not sending them.That technique has saved me MANY times in my corporate life when I get email from someone and than I decide I want to go punch them out. Instead I write them a response email, hang on to it and wait until I am sure that I really do want to punch them out. (Only kidding).Usually I decide I misunderstood the intent of the email. So then I don't have to go punch em. Which saves on manicures. :-) Also I have managed to have the same job for many years. :-)Also...another point. Email is so impersonal that you can't see a person's face, hear their voice or figure out if they are just not expressing themself well.In person I have a very strong sense of humour and sometimes I sound borderline sarcastic. I have to be very careful when I send email that people don't take it the wrong way.I think you made some great points and I agree.Kinder, gentler is my preference as well. :-)Hugs to all.Karen> You know, this little tiff was about to die a quite> natural death by scrolling off the bottom but now here> it is again, first and foremost, ripe for a series of> point counter point attacks and though I have wanted> to wade in on several occasions but have refrained, I> cannot stop myself from interjecting now before it> begins anew.> Must we be so adversarial with each other? Here is> some standard netiquette advice that I always find> helpful. When you see a post that upsets you for> whatever reason, jump right in and type out your> response. Vent, let it all out, then save that> response as a draft for a day or two and go back and> carefully decide if its really something you want to> be posting for the whole world to see. Edit as> necessary and then send it if you still really feel it> needs to be said. This little bit of restraint can> often keep these little tit for tat things from> escalating into personal attacks as this one has.> ALL the responses in a couple recent threads have been> a bit harsh and quick to judge without adequate> information, from both sides. We are all earthlings> and anything else is just pop psycho-babble. When we> learn to behave as human beings first and foremost,> then we'll find ways to deal with the related gender> issues that do not need to separate us. Yin and yang> are part of the same whole, not separate planets. Not> everyone is necessarily malicious if they advocate a> hair cut and a passing comment does not necessarily> indicate a failing or oppressive relationship. And> where is it written that long hairs and short hairs> can't accept, condone and even enjoy each others> personal choices? Why do we necessarily have to be> adversaries? This is a part of so many posts, "I> believe in long hair" or, "short hair would> do so much more for you". Hair style is not> religious conviction and should be viewed as a VERY> personal and individual choice, not something that can> be decided or dictated by someone else regardless of> their intentions. What do you care how someone else> wears their hair?> Please people, a little bit of tolerance and> acceptance of others whether you're a fashion maven or> an old frump, its your decision alone and no one has a> right to judge others based on their own personal> preferences, which is all that hair style choices are,> not a crusade to recruite the world to one side or the> other. When you look at someone else don't think, gee> how would I change them so suit my own tastes or> current fashion, ask yourself, hmm what is it about> them that has made them choose this for themselves? Am> I advocating some cooing mutual admiration fest where> there is never constructive discussion? No! But we> don't have to treat each other like this and perhaps> without realizing it some folks are getting way too> dogmatic about hair styles and their posts too> confrontational for comfort.> Here's to a happier board. Follow your own muse but> don't expect others to even hear her calling!> Best wishes to all!> Dawn
You know, this little tiff was about to die a quite natural death by scrolling off the bottom but now here it is again, first and foremost, ripe for a series of point counter point attacks and though I have wanted to wade in on several occasions but have refrained, I cannot stop myself from interjecting now before it begins anew.Must we be so adversarial with each other? Here is some standard netiquette advice that I always find helpful. When you see a post that upsets you for whatever reason, jump right in and type out your response. Vent, let it all out, then save that response as a draft for a day or two and go back and carefully decide if its really something you want to be posting for the whole world to see. Edit as necessary and then send it if you still really feel it needs to be said. This little bit of restraint can often keep these little tit for tat things from escalating into personal attacks as this one has.ALL the responses in a couple recent threads have been a bit harsh and quick to judge without adequate information, from both sides. We are all earthlings and anything else is just pop psycho-babble. When we learn to behave as human beings first and foremost, then we'll find ways to deal with the related gender issues that do not need to separate us. Yin and yang are part of the same whole, not separate planets. Not everyone is necessarily malicious if they advocate a hair cut and a passing comment does not necessarily indicate a failing or oppressive relationship. And where is it written that long hairs and short hairs can't accept, condone and even enjoy each others personal choices? Why do we necessarily have to be adversaries? This is a part of so many posts, "I believe in long hair" or, "short hair would do so much more for you". Hair style is not religious conviction and should be viewed as a VERY personal and individual choice, not something that can be decided or dictated by someone else regardless of their intentions. What do you care how someone else wears their hair?Please people, a little bit of tolerance and acceptance of others whether you're a fashion maven or an old frump, its your decision alone and no one has a right to judge others based on their own personal preferences, which is all that hair style choices are, not a crusade to recruite the world to one side or the other. When you look at someone else don't think, gee how would I change them so suit my own tastes or current fashion, ask yourself, hmm what is it about them that has made them choose this for themselves? Am I advocating some cooing mutual admiration fest where there is never constructive discussion? No! But we don't have to treat each other like this and perhaps without realizing it some folks are getting way too dogmatic about hair styles and their posts too confrontational for comfort.Here's to a happier board. Follow your own muse but don't expect others to even hear her calling!Best wishes to all!Dawn
I read your post. I am confused if its Steve or Steven C. but I am sure that the correct person will know who they are.I certainly hope that you are very pleased wtih yourself to knock down my spelling or my typing skills as you mentioned that I have a rotten English. Well I certainly hope that you sir have a perfect English . You only know one language .English is not my first language and I mostly use it for business.. I try very hard in life. I plan to perfect this language by taking courses in University.YOu are giving a very strong message to the rest of the world that hasn't mastered this English language perfectly.Before you throw rocks at me for my spelling mistakes maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if you are so perfect. IN my opinion you might consider taking some manner courses.There is no reasons to knock down someone for trying to communicate in another language which is not natural for me.
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