QuoteReplyTopic: Tangles & Liggetts bar shampoo Posted: March 20 2005 at 9:47am
I got a bar of Liggett's bar shampoo (the plain kind) back in December.
It seems that every time I use it, my hair gets very tangled. If I
don't comb it out while my hair is wet, I almost have to cut out the
tangles!
I have uncolored, shoulder-length, wavy locks. I don't usually have a
bad problem with tangles; but sometimes I do have to comb when wet if
I've used heavy conditioners.
Am I using the Liggett's somehow wrong? I usually do two rounds of
shampooing, and shampoo every day. My hair actually squeaks when I use
the Liggett's, so I would think that I'm getting it quite clean.
After about a week of using Liggett's solely, I felt that my hair was
much oiler than I was used to (although family members evidently didn't
notice a difference). Since then, I've used Liggett's in a rotation
with other cheap shampoos (Suave, Tressemme) that I felt got it
cleaner. I don't know if I committed to using Liggett's for longer than
a week, my hair/scalp would eventually get used to it and stop
producing so much oil?
I really would like to use all-natural shampoos (I'm also going to post
another message on that). If anyone can suggest other products to try
or tell me the right way to use Liggett's, I really would appreciate it.
I should add a note that I really do like the way my hair looks the
first couple of days of using the Liggett's. I used it last night, and
my hair is so bouncy, wavy, and really quite lovely (if I do say so
myself).
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If your hair is actually squeaking, you're stripping it of all its
natural oils.. squeaky clean isn't a good thing when it comes to hair.
This would also explain why your scalp is producing so much more oil;
it's trying to compensate for everything you are stripping away.
Alyssa is right on. When hair squeaks all the natural oils are gone and your hair will be much more prone to tangling. Especially since you mentioned that your hair has a natural wave. When hair is overly dry and the oils are stripped off, hair takes on almost a Velcro feel where the middle and ends will literally stick to each other because they are devoid of oil.
And yes...as Alyssa so wisely pointed out, the body compensates. If your hair becomes too dry, it will swing to the opposite side of the spectrum and become very oily.
Furthermore, Liggett's bar shampoo was originally designed for campers, hikers and people that had a hard time shampooing their hair on a daily or regular basis. The concept behind the Liggetts is that it is easy to pack because it is a hard bar of soap. It was designed to be a convenient soap just for that. Camping and traveling in the woods.
Also, the water used might be random and not ideal. So bottom line, Liggetts bar shampoo is not ideal for daily use. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is not ideal for use more than once a week. And the reason is because of exactly what you are experiencing.
Now if you wish to use it all the time, I would say to dilute it and not use it full strength. You could experiment with chipping a small piece off and putting it into a glass jar and then filling it with warm water and then shaking to form a soapy mixture. Then take just the liquid and drizzle that on your very wet hair.
Also, I would never recommend using a Liggett shampoo for more than one wash per shampoo session. Again, because it is striping your hair.
While it is truly a pure and natural soap, also remember that back in the pioneer days, people did not wash their hair for days, even weeks on end. And this soap can be traced back to very early days.
So if you still want to use it that is cool, but back off using it every day or dilute it and definitely don't shampoo 2x. Most people, except those with really dirty hair or hair that is super oily, never need more than one application of shampoo per washing.
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger or drives you totally insane. :-)
Thanks so much for the advice! I actually got the bar shampoo partly
because I am hoping to go on a trip for 7-10 days and was looking for
something that would be easy to take along (plus the whole
wanting-to-go natural thing). I'm going to try some other options.
On the subject of shampooing twice -- that was something that my Mom
taught me when I was a little (I think she does it). I'll have to try
the one shampoo method.
Real tea tree oil and other natural ingredients works great to gently cleanse the scalp. KnottyBoy Shampoo soap was created by the founder of KnottyBoy and it is a great shampoo/soap.
2. Burts Bees shampoo bar soaps. Also divine and also great for traveling. They have the following:
3. Bee & Flower Sandalwood Soap Many people dilute this soap and use as a shampoo. Especially people that travel or are prone to dandruff. Dreadlock wearers often use this to rinse on their scalps in lieu of the KnottyBoy Shampoo soap. http://mp.hairboutique.com/product.asp?ProdID=101526&Ctg ID=
This is also used as a base for diluting for shampoo. All of the Dr. Bronner soaps are fabulously pure and can be used for a base of shampoo whether you go with the bar soap or the liquid.
If I think of any others, I will post here.
Also, it was a big deal until recently to encourage people to shampoo 2x. Over the last 10 years the general opinion of hair care experts have changed and now they believe in most cases 1x is enough and diluting is a great way to prevent hair from getting too dry or scalp problems from occuring.
Please let me know if I can help further.
Best wishes, Karen
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I don't believe there is a "standard" dilution ratio. Choose what
works for you. Experiment to find that "right" amount. It
may vary, too, depending on your hair's needs (how dirty it is).
I typically go with a ratio of about 5-1 or 10-1 (5 to 10 parts of
water per 1 part of shampoo).
So......I would take a 4 oz. bar of shampoo, cut it up (in order to go
into the neck of the bottle), put it in a 24 to 48 oz. bottle, add
water, and vigorously shake until a shampoo-like mixture? (I wouldn't
need to microwave the soap until liquid, would I?)
So......I would take a 4 oz. bar of shampoo, cut it up (in order to go into the neck of the bottle), put it in a 24 to 48 oz. bottle, add water, and vigorously shake until a shampoo-like mixture? (I wouldn't need to microwave the soap until liquid, would I?)
Not exactly. The 4 oz bar is 4 oz net weight. While the bottle is fluid oz. The ounces are totally different.
Blee. . . well, I remember reading as a teen-ager that shampooing once wasn't enough (something about how it cleans on the first wash, and adds volume or whatever else it's meant to do on the second), and that hair isn't clean enough unless it literally squeaks -_-; . *feels very old now, knowing the rules have changed so much since that time* I'll have to see how well my hair likes one washing. Not sure if I should try dilution or not, though, as I feel like my scalp (and sometimes hair) gets pretty oily and dirty. I would think diluting shampoo, it wouldn't get all the dirt and stuff, would it?
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What I've read is that unless your hair is exceptionally dirty (enough to clearly prevent the shampoo from lathering up properly) that shampooing once is enough, and twice is drying.
The reason they tell you to lather, rinse, repeat is because you use more shampoo that way.
I've been washing once for the last 3 nights -- once with plain
Tresemme shampoo, and twice with shampoo plus conditioner. My scalp is
less itchy. My hair is a little oiler than sometimes, but that's
probably because it is less dried out. (Could be because I've been
touching it and playing with it more, too.)
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I have been doing the one-shampoo per shower for a week or so now. It
seems to be working -- but with one of my shampoos (aleeda with
vitamins and conditioners) my hair is still squeaking and getting a
little tangled. Should I water it down, or not use it any more?
Karen, I am planning to buy a couple of the shampoos you recommended
once I use up more of my old shampoo (which is going to take longer now
that I am using less ).
One more thing -- should I wash my hair twice after swimming in a
chlorinated pool, in order to get the chlorine off; or would that be
making matters worse because I'd be really drying out the hair and
scalp? (I don't swim often, but wanted to know for future reference.)
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If possible, wet your hair (until soaking) with "fresh" (tap) water, if
possible, before swimming in the chlorinated pool. Afterwards,
use a chelating shampoo; I've heard that Jason's make a good swimmer's
shampoo. You could probably "get away with" only one shampooing
after swimming. And if possible, time your hair washings so that
you enter the pool with "dirty" (and wet) hair... so that you're not
washing your hair more than you would have otherwise.
Swimming is sooooooo tricky because a lot depends on the amount of chemicals in the pool. Believe it or not, some pools do use more chlorine and other chemicals than others.
What works best for me (and I have slightly highlight hair - I only have it highlighted in the Summer and only marginally) is to take a bottle of distilled or good quality Spring water in a quart size plastic bottle and then right before I get into the pool, I dose my hair good. Get it soaking wet. Then I may or may not put on a cap depending on how dorky it looks and how protective I am feeling about my hair. :-)
Then after getting out of the pool...for even a few minutes...I dose my head again. Really pour the water on. This will instantly rinse off any chemicals that are clinging. Remember that chemicals cling much easier to dry hair than wet hair. So keeping the hair wet is a big plus in avoiding chemical damage.
After I go to the showers, I dose my head again with water and then do a light conditioning rinse first. I pour 1 part of my rinse out conditioner into a clean plastic bottle and then fill with lukewarm water and then drizzle all over my soaking wet hair and pat it in. Then I rinse well and if I feel the need (depends on how my hair feels to the touch) I will do my diluted shampoo drizzle. Then rinse, rinse, rinse and then conditioners. I finish with my leave-in conditioner (usually Phyto 9 which I use anytime I do something out of the ordinary to my hair).
As far as doing two shampoo treatments...I probably would not recommend it. The key is to use lots of water to rinse all the chemicals out so there is no damage. I think after being in the sun and wind I would not recommend 2 shampoo treatments....even drizzle and diluted... Try the the poolside water dousing, the first treatment as conditioner only and then 1 diluted shampoo and then conditioner.
If your hair doesn't feel soft and fabulous after all of that, I would be surprised. :-) Yes, it is a lot of work...I agree. But when you have longgggggggg hair or hair that you want to stay in the very best condition, it does take a little time and forethought.
And Dave is right....hair that has built up natural oils over time, is also more protective then hair that is just shampooed.
However, chemists have discovered that the #1 way that hair absorbs chemicals from pool, is when it is bone dry. So even if the hair is "aged" from the last shampoo, even it you used leave-in conditioners, even if you are out of the sun (which accelerates damage)...if your hair is dry, it acts like a big sponge and slurps up those nasty chemicals. :-)
Glad to hear things are working out for you. Please keep posting of your progress. It is always so cool to hear about how people find their way through their own testing process with different products and hair care techniques.
EvanaJoy wrote:
I have been doing the one-shampoo per shower for a week or so now. It seems to be working -- but with one of my shampoos (aleeda with vitamins and conditioners) my hair is still squeaking and getting a little tangled. Should I water it down, or not use it any more?
Karen, I am planning to buy a couple of the shampoos you recommended once I use up more of my old shampoo (which is going to take longer now that I am using less ).
One more thing -- should I wash my hair twice after swimming in a chlorinated pool, in order to get the chlorine off; or would that be making matters worse because I'd be really drying out the hair and scalp? (I don't swim often, but wanted to know for future reference.)
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger or drives you totally insane. :-)
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