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    Posted: July 12 2005 at 5:47pm

Yup, I said contact cement. Same stuff you use to mount pictures and stuff. I figured, hell, I've used every other glue at Wal*Mart or Joann's, why not? At least it came with a brush in the bottle  Funny thing is, I think I like this better than any other glue I've tried so far. Working with it it comparable to working with LG, only it costs two bucks for a huge jar and you can get it anywhere. (I really wanted to like the Aleenes/nail glue combo, but the water based craft glues take too long to set up for my tastes, and the nail glue makes everything so brittle and sharp)

I did it very much like the poster who had experimented first with silicone.

This is a strip of thermofiber, but it works on human hair too. Maybe even better because real hair is porous. I just laid out the hair and then brushed the glue on thick enough to penetrate through to the tile underneath, but not so there was globs of it floating around. Had to hold the hair taut with my other hand, but couldn't show that and take a picture at the same time!

Let it get dry enough to handle. Gently lift up the weft and flip it over. Cut it into sections as big as you want to tip, trimming off the actual weft and the section with the short hairs.

At this point is the only time any actual skill comes in. Go over the tips again lightly with a bit more glue. By the time you get to the last one the first one will be tacky enough to roll. Pinch up one edge of the tip and actually roll it, like you roll up a jelly roll. When you finish, roll again a few more times like rolling a skrinkie with strong pressure to create a tight bond. This ensures an even application of glue though-out the tip. If your hands get glue on them, keep a damp rag nearby. As long as your hands are a little damp, the cement will only stick to itself and not you, which will make a nice smooth tip.  Otherwise, it'll get messy and look rubbery. This really isn't as time consuming as it sounds, either, once you get going. It doesn't swell up or add any bulk at all, so you can make the tiniest little tips this way, if you are so inclined, and more important to me, it doesn't get cloudy under amm's shrinkies.

I was worried about it getting into my hair, so I tested it out on my dummy. If there was any residue that wasn't from the shrinkies, it came out with amm's remover. Also, the tips stayed intact, although they did squash a bit. (that's what the red tip above is.) I'd probably have to trim and retip.

The blonde hair has a tip in it, the dark hair is a pretipped strand only - with a shrinkie over the contact cement at the end, and another over clean hair a little below that. They look the same. Not cloudy! My hair is thin and fine so I have to pull every trick to keep everything invisible. Anyway, I have most of Fina's hair tipped up this way, so we'll see how it goes as soon as my heat wand gets here.



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Brilliant! Would you be able to use it for a glued in weft? Or does it contain harmful carcinogens?
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JEEZ! Whatever you do, Elvira, don't use contact cement to glue in your weft unless you plan to wear it forever! Contact cement is what they use to glue laminate down permanently!! OMG I hope I'm not too late....lol

Great idea for pretips, tho! And great pix. Thanks, Sans.

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I'm so glad you tryed it !! I bought some and have yet to try it. The EP tips may be something like this because when you heat them in a shrink they dont melt at all but when I held the Iron right to it they did flaten but re heated and rolled it round again. I am so mad I just tipped my new RK hair. I for got to try out the  rubber cement, I forgot all about it till I saw your post!
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Hey can I get an ingredients list?

I'll google but it's always good to read it right off the side of the bottle.
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Originally posted by marie87 marie87 wrote:

I am so mad I just tipped my new RK hair. I for got to try out the  rubber cement, I forgot all about it till I saw your post!


Rubber cement is different than contact cement. Rubber cement probably wouldn't work too well, plus it's flamable.
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Why, Mocha? Do you think it's the same stuff as LG? lol. It only lists the hazardous ingredients, but they're tolulene, methyl ethyl ketone and phenolic resins. Here is the msds http://www.henkelcamsds.com/pdf/01-06819.pdf. Hope that helps!
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Mine is elmers rubber cement and it has totaly diferent ingredents. But they are harmfull not the same ones as LG.I was just comparing them I just finished coating some tips with LG. LG is harmfull too Jenny had checked this a while back. I hate that LG get's so sticky I couldn't eaven use the brush so I tiped the bottle upside down and just dipped them in Then set the bottle upside down while I got the next peice. It gets so thick it wont eaven spill out!!!
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No I lookd it up too sans.  Definitley not the same.

LG is simple.  nasty in some respects but simple. 

this stuff has tons more in it.  I wouldn't even know which solvent to start with to thin it out and keep the brush from getting sticky.

And marie.  Get some TCE, last in gredient in LG, (I'm pretty sure you can get the low quality stuff at the hardware store and that would be fine? for this) a little goes a long  way to keep the stuff thin and useful.
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It says on the can that you can use laquer thinner (like mineral spirits? someone help me out,here) to "clean up excess". So it's at least possible to de-gunk the brush and rim of the can to keep it from glueing shut. Mine's crusted with hair right now.  Don't know if it's a workable solvent, though.
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