I will respect the rich when they send their kids into combat like everyone else has to do.
(irrelevant tirade omitted)
....... if you aren't willing to support the American worker who built this country and fought the wars for your freedom, and be willing to send your own kids into combat like the workers have to, you don't deserve your freedom.
Wait a second...
Everyone except the rich has to send their kids to war? There hasn't been a draft in over 30 years.
I'm not going to take sides in this off-topic discussion, but please think before you post. Inflammatory, ill-founded statements like these certainly don't help your cause...
True we don't have a draft. But it is almost exclusivelly middle and working class kids who enlist and are sent to the war zones. Don't take my word on this. Investigate it yourself.
The wealthy, when they do go into the military, are rarely put in harms way. This was very true in Vietnam. It was true in the first gulf war.
It is true today.
But like I said, investigate it yourself.
You will find exceptions, but not many.
That's why John McCain, who unlike some Republicans. does not favor the rich and is a moderate, is a real man. He served in combat. He was a prisoner of war. He suffered for our country and democracy and freedom. George W. Bush, this incredibly mediocre man, had his daddy pull a string. He got into the National Guard, he got put in the front of the line ahead of working class kids who wanted into the Guard. The reason for that? Because almost always the National Guard got to stay in the States. They didn't have to go to the war zone.
He also would have never, in a million years, have gotten into an Ivy League school without family connections. He had terrible grades and mediocre test scores. Bush has even admitted that himself and joked about it. He took the place of a more deserving person who was raised with less privledge, both in the National Guard and at Yale University. THAT is what I don't like. And as a free American I have a right to express this.
And c, When a middle class person says that middle and working class Americans work hard, have most of the kids and fight the wars, that isn't a "tirade" as you described it. It is a fact.
And c, When a middle class person says that middle and working class Americans work hard, have most of the kids and fight the wars, that isn't a "tirade" as you described it. It is a fact.
I agree that middle-class Americans work hard. (myself included) I don't dispute that, and I am very proud of it. My 'tirade' comment was aimed at your Rush Limbaugh rant. I certainly will not defend him, but he doesn't seem relevant here.
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*I believe that Tina was being a little harsh on the Hilton girls. Whether they earned their money or not; if they are nice people, have some charity in them, and realise that not everyone was raised in wealth as they were, they might still be good people.
*I do agree with Tina that if someone is wealthy and just gives money to their children without teaching their children the value of hard work and charity to the less fortunate, that their children will grow up to be brats. *It is also true that the common classes serve in combat while the rich rarely do. It's been that way for years. That may never change.
*I'm a Republican but I have to agree that George Bush has not been a very good president. Our huge and growing national debt on his watch is of particullar concern. *People like George Bush who didn't really earn his own money and who got into a good college thanks to his family, often don't have the common sense required to handle money well and make good decisions. I have experienced this in my own working life with people. I voted for Bush in 2000. I won't be voting for him in 2004.
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*I believe that Tina was being a little harsh on the Hilton girls. Whether they earned their money or not; if they are nice people, have some charity in them, and realise that not everyone was raised in wealth as they were, they might still be good people.
*I do agree with Tina that if someone is wealthy and just gives money to their children without teaching their children the value of hard work and charity to the less fortunate, that their children will grow up to be brats. *It is also true that the common classes serve in combat while the rich rarely do. It's been that way for years. That may never change.
*I'm a Republican but I have to agree that George Bush has not been a very good president. Our huge and growing national debt on his watch is of particullar concern. *People like George Bush who didn't really earn his own money and who got into a good college thanks to his family, often don't have the common sense required to handle money well and make good decisions. I have experienced this in my own working life with people. I voted for Bush in 2000. I won't be voting for him in 2004.
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Scottppd: You said to Tina don't be lazy,GO TO WORK. She does work and is a mother as well, which is also a job. I doubt she's lazy. I also doubt you are prosperous businessman. I've been working in the private sector for 20 years. I've never heard a businessman say he is just going to give his kids money so they don't have to work hard like he did. My guess is that you are a college kid, probably from an upper middle class family who doesn't know much about life yet.
If hard work alone made people rich, the wealthiest people in America would be the migrant farm workers. They work fourteen hours a day, six days a week at backbreaking stoop labor for very little money, just so we can have our salads to eat. There are entire third world countries filled with very hard working people who work in the fields or in seatshops for very little money. Hard work doesn't necessarily equate to wealth. Here in the United States we have policemen, firemen, nurses, factory workers, miners, teachers, waitresses, who work long hours for not that much money. None of these people are lazy. And these people aren't rich. Smart business people and for that matter smart members of our business -orientated political party the Republicans, know that most people in the past, present and future are working/middle class people who make average amounts of money and who are not lazy by any means. Progressive business people and politicians know that if working people are treated fairly in regards to wages, health benefits, educational oppurtunities,etc. that it helps the country maintain a good standard of living and ultimately benefits business as well. Unfortunately there are a group of business people that exists that don't see things this way, that are only looking to lower wages of workers to gain short term profits. Case in point, the Hiltons. For years Hilton Hotels were not only known for quality but for fair treatment of employees. Recently this relationship has been strained at North American Hilton hotels by Hilton management and ownership. There has been an increasing trend amongst Hilton and several other major hotel chains to fire or refuse to hire American workers, particullarily Blacks and Hispanics and replace them with cheap foreign workers. This does increase profits short term but does little to improve the working situation of American workers, obviously. This developement is fairly recent over the past few years. But it is a worrying trend and causing great hostility towards certain hotel management.
While there are things to be admired about the Hiltons in their past, their present and future may be different. There are two kinds of business people: Those who are "progressive capitalists", who do the right thing for their workers and their country, and those who are "robber baron capitalists". The jury is still out on the Hiltons.
I can really appreciate what you are saying Brent. As an African-American woman who grew up working class on the south side of Chicago, it was assumed by some of the wealthier classes of people in Chicago that our part of town was filled with "lazy" people because we had less money than many others. Far from it, some of the hardest working people in the city lived on the south side. Today I'm out in the middle class 'burbs with my husband and children but I haven't forgotten my roots. Brent and the other folks here, the Flea may have a point. This conversation may be better suited for another board. The Chillin board perhaps? I have a little more to say on this subject. Maybe you folks do also. If you don't mind I will restart this thread on the Chillin board. I will entitle it; BRENT, A CONTINUATION.
To direct this back towards the hair... on wireimage 2 straight events where it looks shorter but is pinned back so you really can't tell. Unfortunately the fact that she chose to pin it back probably indicates that, even if cut she's just biding time, waiting to put those horrid extensions back in.
My only comment regarding the Tina issue is that speaking in generalities about any group, gays, ethnic minorities, races, or yes even the wealthy is generally inappropriate, especially in a public forum. I don't think you really meant harm but you judging her by her wealth or family's social status is basically the same as someone stereotyping you for your sexual orientation. I'm off that topic...
Still think it's pulled back. Check out photos of her in the Bears jersey. Block the pony tails out for a second, and you get a good preview of what she would look like with short hair. Not too shabby.
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Gee I didn't know that paris and her sis were such a hot topic. i 'm not jumping on the band wagon here, after all its a hair talk site not a political site. As for the mane topic here her hair is not cut its pinned up as you can see from the images on Daily celeb, you can see the bobbie pins in her hair.
This will be most likely my last topic on this subject. So I am going to address a couple topics that need to be addressed. First off no one in this forum knows who I am nor will they probably ever meet me, so I have no reason to lie nor would I. So lets get started shall we….
It was written by I believe Brent E that the Hilton’s hire cheaper workers over hiring more Expensive American workers. I agree with them on a business level let me explain why. The economy is not doing that well and therefore the hotel industry is hurting to say the least. To give you an example I blocked a block of rooms for a function we do each year and I called the hotel to see what their typical numbers are and they said in last few years their lucky to get 50% occupancy. Five years ago that hotel would have been packed, the fact is people are trying to save money and not traveling. Therefore the airline, hotels and rest of tourism industry has to save money and if a simple option like this presents itself you do it. I agree that it’s better to hire workers form this country but in this time we are in if you can save money DO IT.
Brent also wrote this: “Here in the United States we have policemen, firemen, nurses, factory workers, miners, teachers, waitresses, who work long hours for not that much money. None of these people are lazy. And these people aren't rich.”
I agree and I commend each of those occupations for their work. I know this was directed to the comment I made about if you want money go work for it. I didn’t mean by this that if your not lazy you’ll make money. I have friends who work harder than me and wont be as fortunate as I have been, it’s a matter of picking the right thing and working hard to get what you want. You see everyone in the world decides a couple of things and there are only two things that are guaranteed. One is you’ll be born the other is you will die. What you do in between is called life, what you do with it is up to you. I got friends who are police officers, doctors, fireman, nurses, and teachers. All of them love what they are doing and would have it no other way. Others choose different routes in their life like I did. I chose to be my own boss at a very young age and I got a couple of brakes along the way. I was lucky but I wouldn’t change it either. Like I said it’s all what you do with your time.
Last thing directed to Brent is this as you wrote: “I've never heard a businessman say he is just going to give his kids money so they don't have to work hard like he did. My guess is that you are a college kid, probably from an upper middle class family who doesn't know much about life yet.”
I apologize you misunderstood what I was writing as this is what I mean by this. I would give my kids my money so they don’t have to work hard. That doesn’t mean they wont be raised write and wont know right form wrong. They just wont have to work long hours and worry about stuff and instead be able to concentrate on life and helping others. All I get to think about is work and what can go wrong, it’s not the best life to have but is the one I chose. You also wrote before this you don’t believe I am a prosperous business person. I guess it depends on what you consider prosperous, if you ask Bill Gates NO I am not prosperous. But if you ask the average American I would be.
I believe you wrote something along the lines I was a unsuccessful college student. To tell you the truth I never went to college as I felt it was a waste of time. This is just my opinion and was because I knew what I wanted in life and college had nothing to do with it. I did not need it for the line of business I am in (promotions/production and investments).
On the topic of Tina I did not mean she was lazy in the aspect of work I meant she was lazy in the aspect that if she wanted money she could have it. I am sure she works but if she wanted more she could get it.
Now on to TINA….. I don’t know how you and Brent got the idea I was going to give my kids money and they wont know values. Yes Ill give them money but they WILL know right from wrong and they will know how the less privelaged live. They will respect others no matter the race, sex, or wealth. Obviously you two misunderstood what I meant by that comment.
Secondly you wrote: ”I grew up in a working class neighborhood. Most of us had family members in the military. I know the stats on this. Of those raised in the upper 10% of America economically, less than 1/8 of 1% of the people serving at present in the combat zones in Iraq, are from the upper 10% of America. It is almost exclusively the middle and working class kids who are dying there, just as it has been in every war since W.W.II. I will respect the rich when they send their kids into combat like everyone else has to do.”
I don’t know what your point is here. I grew up in a upper middleclass neighborhood like one of you guessed. I wasn’t given anything and had to earn everything I was able to obtain. Having friends in the Military I know the reason A LARGE group of individuals join the military is because of two reasons. #1. For money to go to school #2. Have no alternative and realized they wouldn’t make a good living doing anything else, (want to better themselves) I do realize others dp it for other reasons but this is two of the top two, along with serving their country. If you look at the wealthy, they don’t need the money and their lives are already taken care of financially so they don’t need to worry about their future. There parents don’t want to take the risk of losing them so they don’t make them go so there is why they don’t go. To be honest I don’t know of may parents who force there kids to go join the military so your argument is basically pointless.
Also wrote: ”As far as you go sir, don't you know that the Rush Limbaugh school of politics is on the outs. He is a discredited drug addict. Like Brent said, successful businessmen who are far more successful than you are, and know far more than Rush Limbaugh will ever know, people like Buffet and Gates, understand that you have to do the right thing by the working and middle classes that build this country, that have most of the kids and fight the wars.” I don’t follow Limbaugh to be that honestly so why you compare his logic to mine is beyond me. However I never said anything bad about the middle class as 90% of my family is middle class. I honestly think you mean well by your comments but read before you write and realize NO WHERE in any of my posts did I say the middle class aren’t as worthy as the upperclass. Why do you keep bringing up war also?
Once again you wrote:
”So maybe it is you who are ignorant about what you are talking about. And quit listening to this fat, ignorant loser junkie Rush Limbaugh. He has the politics of a third world country. We would be a third world country if we listened to that ignorant idiot. We would have a class system as lopsided as Brazil, with their horrendous social problems.”
WHY you keep comparing me to Rush is beyond me and as far as ignorant I guess that is in the eyes of a beholder. I take an hour or so each night to check the news, weather, and look at a couple other sights like this one each night. I voice my opinion which I have the right too, sometimes I am not ablt to say what I need to during the day as it all comes back to the $$$ so when I get online Ill always voice my opinion.
Lastly and this is funny you worte: “And I don't care how many businesses you own, if you aren't willing to support the American worker who built this country and fought the wars for your freedom, and be willing to send your own kids into combat like the workers have to, you don't deserve your freedom.”
I never once said I wasn’t supporting a American Worker. Once again you bring up war which is beyond me cause I never said anything relating to war. And as far as your last statement hopefully you would re-think what you wrote and realize its not that intelligent. But opinions are like a—holes everyone has one.
You are not as big of a spoiled brat as I thought Scott. Maybe I miss interpeted you or maybe you didn't communicate your thoughts well but it seemed to me that you said to me that middle class/working class types are lazy because we don't have as much money as Hilton and his ilk. But apparently that is not what you meant. I appreciate that you appreciate us who were raised with less money than you.
As far as S.C.R.E.W.I.N.G the American worker with cheaper labor because that is a good business decision, well if the American worker is messed with too much we will do to the rich what the workers do to the rich in South America where they are always trying to undermine workers. We will fight back. In South America it is common for the wealthy, and their family members, to be kidnapped and held for ransom. And it isn't just the poor who kill other poor people in South America like they do here, the poor often kill the rich there and rob them.
If you know anything about America's working classes, the blacks, Latins, and blue collar whites, you know we have guns and know how to use them. Our men are the ones in the American military. Even the women like me, know how to use guns. You think that the rich can keep taking our good paying industrial jobs out of the country forever and keep undermining our unions with scab labor and the other tricks they pull on the American worker? Do you know the bloody history of the labor unions in this country. You think we won't fight again if we are C.R.A.P.P.E.D on too much!
That's not a threat to you or any individual, that's knowing human nature and especially the tough nature of the American working class who built this country and fought the wars. Anyone who thinks it's ok to continue to lower our wages and standard of living in this country and turn us into "Brazil North", better be prepared for Brazilian like violence against the privledged by us unwashed masses.
I know my history, and I know human nature. Unlike the rich, we bleed for this country. We fought the wars overseas and the rich at home at times. We paid for your freedom with our lives and limbs. We paid for your freedom in blood! And mothers like me had to bury our own children sometimes for your freedom when our young men died in the wars for democracy and freedom.. You think the workers of America don't remember that? Oh yes we do remember! You undermine us at your own risk.
I am glad we see eye to eye on it and sometimes I use words that can be interpeted in more than one way. As far as the workers statement I said it is business, I don’t agree with it on an ethical stand point but it is business. Like it or not the point of a business is to make money, that’s the reason the majority of business owners own them. Without being under the pressure LARGE business owners like Hilton's are nor you or I should really judge them. The fact of the matter is no matter where you go in the hotel industry you will find out that they tend to hire cheaper labor. It's been that way for a long time and it's not just the Hilton franchise. As far as the Hilton girls go I have seen them and read articles in various magazines about them and their inheritance and they seem to be down to earth, just my opinion.
I don’t know as much of some of you about this family but have watched late night television (only tv I get to watch these days) and these are the typw of stories I’ve heard…
Not the best example but shows they are normal kids who do help charities and others.
All I have heard are stories of the two are good but the media does not always pick up on this as instead they go for the gossip and bad news stories as it draws more ratings.
Media is a whole nother topic you can get me started on but wont go in on it as it’s not necessary. Watch the movie Bowling For Columbine as Michael Moore does a good job of illustrating my point on this topic. No I am not anti-media as I deal in Media every day with advertising and print and I myself at one time thought of becoming a journalist, however I don’t have to agree with the way they relay the news to the general public.
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tina you are so right. you go girl. keep telling the truth and being honest about things.
