Navy Question

. Most countries don`t even allow women into combat.

Where do you get your information Waggy? We have a museum over here and we are proud to have the first air fighter in the world that was rewarded many pins etc and guess what she was a woman and very beautiful. Check it out in our Canadian history. Canada is a country that women fight. Equal rights. She was around before you were probably born.
There is a whole write about these women that people admire, thier picture etc. I am starting to think you don`t know your history especially when you brought up Israel.
It is not required in Canada to join the army. People join because they want to serve their country. I wouldn`t say its a good career move. Sure the governent give education but the pay isn`t good at first and sure you might have a chance to have a job afterwards like maybe work in the Canadian Post Office. But you must be prepare to go into combat. And seriously Waggy where have you been with the news these days. ONe of our best female air fighters come from my home town and the whole town is hoping that she is safe. It`s on CNN and everything about us, our part etc. Turn on the TV for goodness sakes .................. One of my female classmates went into combat in other countries. GEt your remote and start watching history. Canada is a country you know. Look on the map lol.
My father didn`t join the army because of a career move nor did my grandfather nor will my son that is seriously thinking about it. All our War war 11 veterans were serious about our country. OUr city is totallly cleared up because of September 11 and everyone is serious about protecting our countries. YOur attitude about the army is seriously starting to peave me. You should thank God that not everyone has this attitude and you are safe because someone didn`t join the army for a career change but to save your butt.

I said, "It seems to me that the number 1 reason for serving in the military is to defend one`s country."

And you replied, "That is not correct. REasons are - it is required (in some countries) and it`s a good career move (in most countries)."

I`m afraid this will be news to the military! I understand that in some countries serving is mandatory, not optional, but the reason for serving is the same.

Concerning your second point, the military is not "set up" to provide careers for people! Its mission is to defend the country! And as such, individual fashion and individuality cannot take priority over national security.

Jennifer

Jennifer - you are just completely wrong - most of the people who have served in the military have never seen combat. Most of the time there IS no combat to go to.

As far as a career move goes - don`t be ridiculous. The military is very secure and has great retirement and benefits plus you get to travel. Most of the people I know in the military (and I know plenty) did not all of a sudden get a surge of patriotism during a war time, they chose the military for benefits.

I repeat - the Israeli army is one of the best around - they don`t require anyone to keep their hair cut and they DO see combat on a much more regular basis.

You are so over hyping "being in the military" it`s ridiculous to enforce rules that MIGHT apply to an emergency situation when most of the military personnel is never in those type of situations...wags

At first Waggy I thought your information about Isreal was correct . NowI have to really question your information because every Isreal news clip I see on CNN and other programs shows the Isreal men in the army with short hair. They do have beards but short hair. So whats the deal here? You claimed that they don`t need to cut their hair, this might be right but the reality is that they choose to do so for the obvioius reasons that you are argueing against. That should tell you something. I am sure that the whole Isreal army doesn`t cut their hair at that moment for our viewing on the news. I haven`t seen one of them with long hair in the newspaper, on the internet or whatever so this tells me that they choose to cut their hair because of the obvious reasons.
I will also add that I have come across some very nice people from Isreal that I have worked closely with during my years serving the community. The young girls had long hair but the wives had shorter hair and all the husbands I met had short hair. Today around our city and I see that the girls are cutting their hair.
Besides showing that you are short tempered you should reallly learn and be current. I am very multi cultural person who had the pleasure of hearing and experiencing other cultures. There is a lot of beauty in every culture.
YOu are entitle to your comments but I find it very disrespectful to say your comments about the reason why people join the army and your attitude toward them. It seems to me that you have no knowlege or experience being near the army or you assume what their thoughts are.I also don`t feel you respect women who do join the army. Maybe its is your background but beleive me women have been in combat and are prepared. You are living in the states where women are involved. You certainly don`t respect my friends who go off and save your butt by your previous comments. Obviously you have never been around people who have decided to give their lives to protect you. aGain it is very obvious that you don`t have long hair because you would know what problems can occur. Your Isreal army friends understand this. I have long hair so has Jennifer etc. There are reasons to laws. I think for Christmas someone needs to buy you a TV so you can be with the current events around the world.
Also you argue with Jennifer how it doesn`t make sense since most of them never seem combat. Let`s take a fireman for example. On their day off they continue to work out and when they are on duty they work out even though there is no fire. Always prepared for the worse. Always in shape. In the army maybe some of them will never see combat and hopefully more in the future will never but since Sept 11 things have change. We all know that they work out and are always prepared for the worse mentally and physically including haircuts. It wouldn`t make sense to not be prepared for the worse 100% of the time. Besides mocking me of my friends you should thank and respect an army person that you meet next time because without them you wouldn`t be safe in the USA. Hair is nothing to miss when lives at stake.

Duke, Elvis Presley is my hero. My love. The most beautiful man that ever live and one heck of a singer.......... I have almost all his songs. He also looks good on black velvet right about the sofa in most homes. Hum I wonder where I put mine........

Elvis Presley looked good in a crewcut, sideburns and whatever. I think it should have been illegal for him to join the army because his looks, his voice was probably an illegal weapon of some sorts lol

Seriously will always love that man. Have a good Christmas Duke.

You have one too, Diane, that`s how I feel about Elvis too. A fascinating man.

Fun fact(oid?): Elvis used his mamma`s curlers when experiminting with his unique styles early on.

Well Waggy maybe it all depends on where you live. It is hard to be presumptious, incorrect or ill informed when I am living around largest populated jewish area in Canada. It is tough to not get educated when one lives in such a multi cultural background when your best friends in school in daycare are of a diffirent background etc. and then we all work, party together etc. Just the other day I learned about the Chinese language and how today the reading is so diffirent. Gone are the days of upper and lower Canada you know.
You say that you lived in Canada well you should have been aware of this. This is what Canada is all about.
As an immigrant you are allow to come to our country, practice your faith, religious, your language ,your ways and not be thrown in jail for it. Heck we also have private schools for almost all faiths. It is not frown upon that we learn about diffirent languages being taugh in the home. In my home I know three languages. My son announced that he will learning German etc Canada is probably the only country in the world that stand firmly on those rights. That is what makes Canada so beautiful is the cultures. We can easily walk down a street and feel that we are in Italy etc.
Yes I am very aware that there are many many different forms of the jewish religion. They are following their form of their religion. I say form because it is not clear cut. There are many diffirent groups of religious that all can be told that is jewish but are very diffirent from each other.

Some of the richest jewish people live here as well some of them are my friends. IN fact in the newspaper one of the richest jewish families in this world is planning to save their little town in the province where I live.
You assumed that I didn`t know anything about the jewish background which is false. YOu should know better knowing what Canada is all about. We are multi cultural more than anyone else. We are brought up knowing about each other very early in life.
In my area the men do not wear long hair but have beards but not all. Many doctors here are jewish etc. plus on the News, on CNN , in the news paper and everywhere we the public look the men in Isreal that are fighting do have short hair and have beards. I cannot go against those facts. I haven`t seen one Isreal politician or anyone in the millitary that has long hair. You claimed that they are wearing long hair. It seems to me according to the facts that the isreal men prefer short hair in the military. You came so firmly about your opinion about long hair in the army. YOu also came across so knowleable about the Isreal men wearing long hair in the army( I took your word at the time) yet the facts shows that the men prefer short hair. You come across saying that long hair doesn`t cause problems yet every long hair women could tell you a stupid story about their hair being caught etc.
And the only people that cover their faces here are the arab women. OH by the way I do have a jewish employer and I think she knows what she is all about . My family has been to Isreal a few times and I will go one day when the war is over. Maybe you have travel to many parts of the world but many of the parts of the world lives in our Country and everyday I am in culture and learning more and more. I happen to love the jewish culture among others.
To end this You have to remember that I come from a military family. YOu mocked that. You didn`t respect that.

Hi - Highland C. - I think I`m going to like you...wags :=D

Jennifer - you first - credentials please. Is that the game???

And shouldn`t you be asking which country???

But actually, what IS the point of that question anyway since we are only talking about where, to our knowledge it is OK for people to keep any length of hair and within what guidelines. You could say we are also discussing what we personally think is reasonable as to how it SHOULD be - I suppose under that premise you could make an arguement that if you haven`t been in the military you don`t know whether or not people should keep their hair, but you`d find disagreement there also, among those who have and have not served with or without long hair.

If you are truly interested in my background and experience, I`ll probably be happy to oblige as I certainly have nothing to hide or be embarrassed about.

But right now my feeling is that you are simply trying to do a oneupsmanship with me. I don`t really care for that game. If I am wrong I`m sure we can correct the situation and get along just fine...wags

Jennifer - back again :=D

you said "The one-upmanship idea is yours alone. I ask because you seem to inherently know what is best for the military."

Contradictory sentences. The second sentence is snide and you know it, therefore, it negates the first sentence.

I can`t help what your friends think. My friends don`t agree and neither do I. If someone CHOOSES to have short hair that`s fine with me, as I`ve stated I had a semi buzz cut myself, but I still think it should be their choice.

As to believing a person doesn`t belong somewhere because they find hair important, come on!!! Is this the new litmus test??!!

It would be nice if you could stop putting different meanings to my words. I never once said that my feelings about what I think hair rules (or any other rules for that matter) should be would keep me or anyone I know from joining and faction of the military, or any other career/lifestyles whatever they choose to be in.

It is not necessary to like or agree with all rules of your chosen endeavor. Or people you choose to "chat" with either, eh?...wags