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    Posted: January 12 2000 at 4:16am
Hi Everyone,We try to keep Hair Talk as pure of advertising as possible. We created the Announcements Board for any hair product announcements that people would like to make for hair or other related products that they are selling.While we don't mind sharing of web addresses as part of a thread, we do mind postings that are specifically focused on advertising a specific product or products.We would like to ask that those types of posts be limited to the Announcements board.Hair Talk is designed to be a place where consumers can feel comfortable and not feel bombarded with advertising.We have had problems with this in the past and to try and honor our promise to Hair Talk visitors, we will instantly delete any advertisements that are posted on Hair Talk or the other pure talk boards that seem inappropriate.Please help us make this a board where we can all talk freely about products and hair care without advertising posts.Thank you for your help in this matter.Best wishes,Karen & Jeff
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Thank you Karen & Jeff. There are times that some people take too many liberties with this board to promote their own products that they are selling or their own agendas. I personally resent it and appreciate that you keep stuff like that nipped in the bud. Like you said, that is what the Announcements board is for.Thanks again,Jeannette> Hi Everyone,> We try to keep Hair Talk as pure of advertising as> possible. We created the Announcements Board for any> hair product announcements that people would like to> make for hair or other related products that they are> selling.> While we don't mind sharing of web addresses as part> of a thread, we do mind postings that are specifically> focused on advertising a specific product or products.> We would like to ask that those types of posts be> limited to the Announcements board.> Hair Talk is designed to be a place where consumers> can feel comfortable and not feel bombarded with> advertising.> We have had problems with this in the past and to try> and honor our promise to Hair Talk visitors, we will> instantly delete any advertisements that are posted on> Hair Talk or the other pure talk boards that seem> inappropriate.> Please help us make this a board where we can all talk> freely about products and hair care without> advertising posts.> Thank you for your help in this matter.> Best wishes,> Karen & Jeff
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Dear Karen and Jeff,I absolutely agree--it's important that any pure talk board be kept free of spam. I could use some help, though. On the one hand, I work for The Aurora Group. I can't get around it. I have a lot of information on my product and on products like it that I'd like to share. But, on the other hand, I don't want to push an "agenda" on anyone; I don't want to try to get people to buy my product here, I just want to talk about the things I know--to try to learn from the people here, and perhaps share some knowledge in return. It's not like I can pretend I don't work for Aurora, or avoid mentioning things that relate to the product I distribute--it's where the bulk of my knowledge is. Are there guidelines I might follow? Might I put a disclaimer in my messages: "Disclaimer: I am an employee of The Aurora Group, and even if I am posting on my own time, I'm biased"?Help!Jeff MachRelated Link:The Aurora Group--Viviscal
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As we have previously stated we try very hard to keep advertisements off of this message board. Obviously you do have an agenda to sell more Viviscal and that is what we have a problem with. However if there are questions that are posted that you can actually answer (i.e. Are there any hormones in Viviscal? or What are the active ingrediants in Viviscal?) then please feel free to post answers and identify your affiliation. If you want to contribute to other non-Viviscal discussion please feel free to do so.The point is that we want our visitors to be able to feel comfortable with the information that they receive here and not be bombarded with spam.Thanks for your cooperation...Jeff & Karen
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Gosh, if this guy Jeff is this incredibley pushy when asked to cease and desist then what would he be like if I called and couldn't decide to order the product or not. Would he harrass me about why I should buy it. Would he call me at all hours of the day and night harrassing me to reconsider? Good question. I already have formed a less than positive opinion about vivisceral and I don't care if it works or not.I think that since Hair Boutique is completely self funded they have a right to decline what is appropriate postings or not anywhere on their site which they pay for. I guess this guy thinks he can do whatever he wants because he wants to?I for one agree with Jeanette. I get sick of people trying to push their product agendas on us. I appreciate that spam is kept to a minimum here. I get enough email spam and phone solititors calling me at all hours because they feel they have the right to do so.Thank you Karen & Jeff. As always, you take good care of us here at Hair Talk. I appreciate it that we can always count on you to stick up for our best interests.Sarah> As we have previously stated we try very hard to keep> advertisements off of this message board. Obviously> you do have an agenda to sell more Viviscal and that> is what we have a problem with. However if there are> questions that are posted that you can actually answer> (i.e. Are there any hormones in Viviscal? or What are> the active ingrediants in Viviscal?) then please feel> free to post answers and identify your affiliation. If> you want to contribute to other non-Viviscal> discussion please feel free to do so.> The point is that we want our visitors to be able to> feel comfortable with the information that they> receive here and not be bombarded with spam.> Thanks for your cooperation...> Jeff & Karen
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Sarah, I feel your view of Jeff Mach was very harsh. If you would search the message boards for the past two months you would see that in that time he has only posted 3 messages and they were all posted today. I feel as though his posting to Karen and Jeff was very reasonable, asking what he could and could not say. He really didn't have to be ashonest as he was. I have read all the postings here and even the everday people can't help but sound like an advertisement sometimes. I even wonder who isn't here posting undercover sometimes and I appreciate his honesty. I understand this posting, no one likes to be spammed. Does anyone else feel that Jeff left a pushy posting? Am I naive?
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Dawn,We have been in contact with Jeff Mach of The Aurora Group and we have reached an understanding as to what is appropriate and what is not appropriate.As to what Sarah was refering to... There was a couple of messages posted earlier that we have already removed.Jeff & KarenThe Hair Boutique
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I have read all the postings here> and even the everday people can't help but sound like> an advertisement sometimes. I even wonder who isn't> here posting undercover sometimes and I appreciate his> honesty.I have only heard of one situation where somebody was "undercover," and I don't think that was in working for a company but rather posting under various e-mail addresses. I think that if somebody *is* working for a company, like Aurora or Natural Hair Solutions, some honesty would be refreshing. I chose to get Viviscal because of all the incredible posts I saw about it, and I'd hate to think that they weren't honest -- or, rather, the results reported are accurate (I've seen that for myself), but that the people were really employees of the companies. That would have completely turned me off!!! So, like you, I appreciate Jeff's honesty, as well as Karen and Jeff's attempts to keep this site spam-free. I don't think Jeff's post was pushy in the least -- as you wrote, he didn't even have to come forward with this.I understand this posting, no one likes to be> spammed. Does anyone else feel that Jeff left a pushy> posting? Am I naive?
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Oops. . .I keep missing these posts before they're removed! :) Anyway, I hope people are honest and if they have any agendas other than helping others with hair care (as opposed to filling their own pockets), that they open up their own website and advertise there. I know that I'm gung ho on Viviscal (if I could only remember to take it lately!) because of the effects I've seen on my hair -- there seems to be a Viviscal "fan club" going! -- but I'm certainly not affiliated with any of the hair supply companies, and I'm willing to bet money that nobody else (Regina, Ally, and the others) is, either. We shouldn't mistake enthusiasm for agenda. . .and Karen and Jeff are doing an awesome job of seeing which is which!> We have been in contact with Jeff Mach of The Aurora> Group and we have reached an understanding as to what> is appropriate and what is not appropriate.> As to what Sarah was refering to... There was a couple> of messages posted earlier that we have already> removed.> Jeff & Karen> The Hair Boutique
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> As to what Sarah was refering to... There was a couple> of messages posted earlier that we have already> removed.> Jeff & Karen> The Hair Boutique*Jeff smiles*Yes, J&K have a very interesting concept of what is and isn't commercial, and it took some communication for us to realize we both wanted the same things: a chance to encourage open discussion, without people having to worry that someone was going to lead into a sales pitch. As for whether or not I actually -am- pushy, Sarah...well, I plan to be around here for a while, talking...and that's the best way to find out what I'm like, and what kind of people my company hires. Which brings us to the most important thing:Let's talk! It seems we have a great mix here... we have lots of people who are interested in hair products; people who sell those products; experts, professionals, and people who just want to look good...and, of course, the ubiquitous Jeff & Karen. I look forward to learning a lot from everyone!And...be gentle with me. I'm new here. :) If I do something that might be appropriate elsewhere, but isn't, here--just let me know.Related Link:Viviscal
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Dear Dawn,Harsh? You of all people should understand about not advertising since you have been very good about not advertising your hair jewelry here but providing honest feedback. I used to appreciate that very much.What about supporting Karen & Jeff?They pay for this site out of their own money. If Mr. Mach wants to provide information about his product why does he not pay to advertise on this site?This could have shown support for the HB site where Mr. Mach hopes to sell his products to the many many visitors who come here every day. Which K&J pay to advertise about so that lots of visitors do come here.Has Mr. Mach chosen to pay for advertising? Well I doubt it. If he had, where are the banners? Where are the paid ads?Instead, it appears that Mr. Mach wants to use Hair Talk for his own agenda.Why pay K&J to help with the costs of Hair Boutique when he can just take over the Hair Talk board and post all about his products? For free. And act like he is doing a service to boot. You know, I am screwing over Hair Boutique and Hair Talk, but hey, I just want to help.Dawn, I guess Karen & Jeff are social workers who should pay for Hair Boutique out of their own money and let people like Mr. Mach just post his advertisements for free. Is that what you are want?Well if that is it, yes, you are right, I was extremely harsh and I apologize for supporting Karen & Jeff.Dawn, did you know that there were two previous messages that were immediately removed from Hair Talk BEFORE the current round? Did you check into that first before you accused me of being harsh and taking Mr. Mach's side?Mr. Mach posted the name of the web company that did his new site and a link to them, he thanked a lot of people for buying his product, and may I mention, he makes sure to post a link to his site on EVERY single one of his posts. Free advertising?I guess I was wrong.If you go to Mr. Mach's site, there are no links or banners to other sites. Nothing about Hair Boutique or Hair Talk anywhere.So Mr. Mach feels free to take over Hair Talk and post all about his new site and his great webmaster and his great product but where is there any mention of any other companies or other products OR other websites like Hair Boutique? Nowhere.Harsh? Yes, I guess I am.Feedup? Gee, I guess getting attacked by you for being harsh when I was 100% supporting K&J is harsh.I am surprised that K&J have your jewelry on their site yet you support Mr. Mach and his attempts to use HB for his own benefits?So until I see either paid advertising on Hair Boutique or links or banners on Mr. Mach's hot new site, I am going to think that he is a pushy opportunist using K&J and Hair Talk for his own gains and everyone else, too bad.I am also going to tell everyone I know not to buy from Aurora or Mr. Mach and I will make sure to refer them to his competitior who you do not see posting free advertising here on Hair Talk and using K&J.Sarah(Who may be harsh but loves this site and thanks K&J for all their good work AND who researchs the facts before attacking others)> Sarah, I feel your view of Jeff Mach was very harsh.> If you would search the message boards for the past> two months you would see that in that time he has only> posted 3 messages and they were all posted today. I> feel as though his posting to Karen and Jeff was very> reasonable, asking what he could and could not say. He> really didn't have to be as> honest as he was. I have read all the postings here> and even the everday people can't help but sound like> an advertisement sometimes. I even wonder who isn't> here posting undercover sometimes and I appreciate his> honesty. I understand this posting, no one likes to be> spammed. Does anyone else feel that Jeff left a pushy> posting? Am I naive?
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I THINK SARA WAS TO HARD ON THAT GUY. YOU DONT KNOW HIM, AND YOU CUT HIM DOWN PRETTY BAD. IM NOT SAYING HE WAS RIGHT. I DONT THINK HE SHOULD PUSH ANYTHING HE SELLS ON THIS SITE. KAREN WAS TAKING CARE OF IT. I THINK THIS SITE IS WONDERFUL. I POSTED A MESSAGE ONE OTHER TIME ABOUT A HOME HAIR TREATMENT AND SPELLED SOME THINGS WRONG AND SOME ONE RESPONDED MORE ABOUT MY SPELLING THAN MY QUESTION. IT MADE ME FELL SO STUPID THAT THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER POST I HAVE MADE. LETS STICK TO HAIR, AND NOT CUTING DOWN PEOPLE.
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Hi Sarah & Dawn & all,I think some things need to be clarified here.Yes, Jeff Mach did post 2 previous messages on Hair Talk that were removed immediately by Jeff Hines and I.The first message contained an 800 number to call for the product he sells as well as a link to a person who creates websites as a busines. The message was about Jeff Mach's product & new website and contained a specific link to his site.Jeff Hines & I deleted Jeff Mach's message and then posted the current request that advertising not be put on this board.Jeff Hines and I created the Announcements Board a long time ago for the type of posts that Jeff Mach posted the very first time on Hair Talk. It was totally inappropriate for this board and it was immediately removed.Jeff Mach posted a second message that still included the mini advertisement with the address for the person who did his web site and still (in Jeff Hines & my opinion) some marginal advertising. Again it included a link to his site.Jeff Hines sent Jeff Mach a private email asking him to please modify his posts appropriately for Hair Talk OR post on the Announcement board. At that time Jeff Hines asked Jeff Mach if he would like to advertise on Hair Boutique.Jeff Mach posted a third post (which is the one that is currently here) asking for guidelines.Jeff Mach also sent a private email to Jeff Hines which implied that he would not be interested in advertising on Hair Boutique.Jeff Hines then worked out some guidelines with Jeff Mach about what is appropriate for posting on Hair Talk.To clarify..............................This set of guidelines in no way indicates that either Jeff Hines or I are supporting or promoting Jeff Mach or his product or his site. It is just an agreement of what can be posted appropriately. If Jeff Mach violates those guidelines, his posts will be deleted.For further clarification, Jeff Mach has not offered Hair Boutique either a link on his new site or a banner.Hair Boutique exchanges links and banners with hundreds of sites. That is a way to show mutual support that many Internet sites do for each other. So when you go to Salon Web and see a banner from Hair Boutique you can then come back here and see a Salon Web banner.That is also why sites share links with each other. To show support and mutual advertising. Most sites try to help each other and help their visitors by cross linking and doing cross banners.As Sarah stated, Jeff Hines and I pay for Hair Boutique out of our own pockets. We always have. From day one.As some of you know, Jeff and I own a software company. You will not see any mention of that company on Hair Boutique anywhere (no advertising) nor will you even see a link to our software site. However, from the profits of that company, we support Hair Boutique.We do receive a small percentage of funding from our sponsors who are the kind people who pay for the limited number of banners that "float" on our site. We also make a very small commission from any Amazon.com books we sell on the site and of course, we make commission from Dawn's jewelry.All of those commissions do not come close to paying for even 1/2 of the monthly costs for HB. It helps, but Jeff and I pay for everything ourselves. For the articles that we buy, I pay for them out of my own personal checking account.So Sarah is completely accurate when she says that the site is paid for by Jeff and myself. That is 100% true.When you buy books or jewelry from this site, you are supporting the HB site. That is also true. When you click on the banners of our sponsors, we receive a small percentage of advertising revenue.Jeff Hines and I also pay for advertising. We pay some other sites so much money for clicks on our banners. We also pay for other advertising in the form of special banner ads.Jeff Hines and I hope someday that Hair Boutique will break even. We are committed to keeping the site open and providing the highest quality and content possible.In a lot of ways, we are like your local church club that has bake sales to raise money or car washes. We are not here to make a lot of money. We do like to make enough to help a little bit.Jeff Hines and I do Hair Boutique because we love it and we enjoy all the visitors and the people that we work with from other sites. Some of the other webmasters like Mike at Salon Web and Marci at Marci's Retro and Frank at The Long Hair Site are some of the best people around. They have all helped us and supported us by posting banners or special links on their sites.This whole thread of controversy is just another reason why we try and keep advertising off of this board. Everyone gets very upset and Jeff Hines and I receive lots of private email from visitors about the topic.I understand why Sarah is so upset and I understand that Dawn may not have had all the facts.If Jeff Mach wants to share information that is not advertising & does not push his product specifically that is great.If he wants to show support of HB and buy advertising for his product, we would welcome him like we do others. HB does not accept advertising for products we do not believe in. However, Jeff Mach's product is a hair related product and seems to be a good choice according to some feedback.I would also be happy to exchange links or banners with Jeff Mach and his site. However, my first priority, along with Jeff Hines is to provide the highest quality site for all of our loyal visitors.There would be no HB without all of you and your ongoing support and contributions. Jeff Hines and I know that and appreciate that and we thank you so much.It is rare for Jeff Hine and I to censor this board, as you all know, however, we will always try to do what is best for everyone.Thank you Sarah for your support. Thank you Dawn for sharing your thoughts.Best wishes to everyone.Karen> Dear Dawn,> Harsh? You of all people should understand about not> advertising since you have been very good about not> advertising your hair jewelry here but providing> honest feedback. I used to appreciate that very much.> What about supporting Karen & Jeff?> They pay for this site out of their own money. If Mr.> Mach wants to provide information about his product> why does he not pay to advertise on this site?> This could have shown support for the HB site where> Mr. Mach hopes to sell his products to the many many> visitors who come here every day. Which K&J pay to> advertise about so that lots of visitors do come here.> Has Mr. Mach chosen to pay for advertising? Well I> doubt it. If he had, where are the banners? Where are> the paid ads?> Instead, it appears that Mr. Mach wants to use Hair> Talk for his own agenda.> Why pay K&J to help with the costs of Hair Boutique> when he can just take over the Hair Talk board and> post all about his products? For free. And act like he> is doing a service to boot. You know, I am screwing> over Hair Boutique and Hair Talk, but hey, I just want> to help.> Dawn, I guess Karen & Jeff are social workers who> should pay for Hair Boutique out of their own money> and let people like Mr. Mach just post his> advertisements for free. Is that what you are want?> Well if that is it, yes, you are right, I was> extremely harsh and I apologize for supporting Karen> & Jeff.> Dawn, did you know that there were two previous> messages that were immediately removed from Hair Talk> BEFORE the current round? Did you check into that> first before you accused me of being harsh and taking> Mr. Mach's side?> Mr. Mach posted the name of the web company that did> his new site and a link to them, he thanked a lot of> people for buying his product, and may I mention, he> makes sure to post a link to his site on EVERY single> one of his posts. Free advertising?> I guess I was wrong.> If you go to Mr. Mach's site, there are no links or> banners to other sites. Nothing about Hair Boutique or> Hair Talk anywhere.> So Mr. Mach feels free to take over Hair Talk and post> all about his new site and his great webmaster and his> great product but where is there any mention of any> other companies or other products OR other websites> like Hair Boutique? Nowhere.> Harsh? Yes, I guess I am.> Feedup? Gee, I guess getting attacked by you for being> harsh when I was 100% supporting K&J is harsh.> I am surprised that K&J have your jewelry on their> site yet you support Mr. Mach and his attempts to use> HB for his own benefits?> So until I see either paid advertising on Hair> Boutique or links or banners on Mr. Mach's hot new> site, I am going to think that he is a pushy> opportunist using K&J and Hair Talk for his own gains> and everyone else, too bad.> I am also going to tell everyone I know not to buy> from Aurora or Mr. Mach and I will make sure to refer> them to his competitior who you do not see posting> free advertising here on Hair Talk and using K&J.> Sarah> (Who may be harsh but loves this site and thanks K&J> for all their good work AND who researchs the facts> before attacking others)
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Hi Heather,I admire Sarah for her passion and willingness to express how she feels about her opinions. I saw the first two messages that Mach posted on Hair Talk and the first one had his 800 number and hard core advertising of his products. I think Sarah felt bad for Karen & Jeff and all of us who post regularly on Hair Talk. I admire her loyalty to all of us here.If you saw the first post you would probably understand better why Sarah was so upset. She had a right to be.Glad to see you posting here. Come back more often.Jeanette> I THINK SARA WAS TO HARD ON THAT GUY. YOU DONT KNOW> HIM, AND YOU CUT HIM DOWN PRETTY BAD. IM NOT SAYING HE> WAS RIGHT. I DONT THINK HE SHOULD PUSH ANYTHING HE> SELLS ON THIS SITE. KAREN WAS TAKING CARE OF IT. I> THINK THIS SITE IS WONDERFUL. I POSTED A MESSAGE ONE> OTHER TIME ABOUT A HOME HAIR TREATMENT AND SPELLED> SOME THINGS WRONG AND SOME ONE RESPONDED MORE ABOUT MY> SPELLING THAN MY QUESTION. IT MADE ME FELL SO STUPID> THAT THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER POST I HAVE MADE. LETS> STICK TO HAIR, AND NOT CUTING DOWN PEOPLE.
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Thank you Karen. As always, you tell the truth and never hide behind anything.I used to post on another message board and it became overrun with advertisers promoting (subletly in their opinions) their products. Everyone got tired of it. So they left. I understand why you and Jeff are concerned and I for one really appreciate it. Thank you for everything you do and for the site. It is the best one around for hair.> Hi Sarah & Dawn & all,> I think some things need to be clarified here.> Yes, Jeff Mach did post 2 previous messages on Hair> Talk that were removed immediately by Jeff Hines and> I.> The first message contained an 800 number to call for> the product he sells as well as a link to a person who> creates websites as a busines. The message was about> Jeff Mach's product & new website and contained a> specific link to his site.> Jeff Hines & I deleted Jeff Mach's message and> then posted the current request that advertising not> be put on this board.> Jeff Hines and I created the Announcements Board a> long time ago for the type of posts that Jeff Mach> posted the very first time on Hair Talk. It was> totally inappropriate for this board and it was> immediately removed.> Jeff Mach posted a second message that still included> the mini advertisement with the address for the person> who did his web site and still (in Jeff Hines & my> opinion) some marginal advertising. Again it included> a link to his site.> Jeff Hines sent Jeff Mach a private email asking him> to please modify his posts appropriately for Hair Talk> OR post on the Announcement board. At that time Jeff> Hines asked Jeff Mach if he would like to advertise on> Hair Boutique.> Jeff Mach posted a third post (which is the one that> is currently here) asking for guidelines.> Jeff Mach also sent a private email to Jeff Hines> which implied that he would not be interested in> advertising on Hair Boutique.> Jeff Hines then worked out some guidelines with Jeff> Mach about what is appropriate for posting on Hair> Talk.> To clarify..............................> This set of guidelines in no way indicates that either> Jeff Hines or I are supporting or promoting Jeff Mach> or his product or his site. It is just an agreement of> what can be posted appropriately. If Jeff Mach> violates those guidelines, his posts will be deleted.> For further clarification, Jeff Mach has not offered> Hair Boutique either a link on his new site or a> banner.> Hair Boutique exchanges links and banners with> hundreds of sites. That is a way to show mutual> support that many Internet sites do for each other. So> when you go to Salon Web and see a banner from Hair> Boutique you can then come back here and see a Salon> Web banner.> That is also why sites share links with each other. To> show support and mutual advertising. Most sites try to> help each other and help their visitors by cross> linking and doing cross banners.> As Sarah stated, Jeff Hines and I pay for Hair> Boutique out of our own pockets. We always have. From> day one.> As some of you know, Jeff and I own a software> company. You will not see any mention of that company> on Hair Boutique anywhere (no advertising) nor will> you even see a link to our software site. However,> from the profits of that company, we support Hair> Boutique.> We do receive a small percentage of funding from our> sponsors who are the kind people who pay for the> limited number of banners that "float" on> our site. We also make a very small commission from> any Amazon.com books we sell on the site and of> course, we make commission from Dawn's jewelry.> All of those commissions do not come close to paying> for even 1/2 of the monthly costs for HB. It helps,> but Jeff and I pay for everything ourselves. For the> articles that we buy, I pay for them out of my own> personal checking account.> So Sarah is completely accurate when she says that the> site is paid for by Jeff and myself. That is 100%> true.> When you buy books or jewelry from this site, you are> supporting the HB site. That is also true. When you> click on the banners of our sponsors, we receive a> small percentage of advertising revenue.> Jeff Hines and I also pay for advertising. We pay some> other sites so much money for clicks on our banners.> We also pay for other advertising in the form of> special banner ads.> Jeff Hines and I hope someday that Hair Boutique will> break even. We are committed to keeping the site open> and providing the highest quality and content> possible.> In a lot of ways, we are like your local church club> that has bake sales to raise money or car washes. We> are not here to make a lot of money. We do like to> make enough to help a little bit.> Jeff Hines and I do Hair Boutique because we love it> and we enjoy all the visitors and the people that we> work with from other sites. Some of the other> webmasters like Mike at Salon Web and Marci at Marci's> Retro and Frank at The Long Hair Site are some of the> best people around. They have all helped us and> supported us by posting banners or special links on> their sites.> This whole thread of controversy is just another> reason why we try and keep advertising off of this> board. Everyone gets very upset and Jeff Hines and I> receive lots of private email from visitors about the> topic.> I understand why Sarah is so upset and I understand> that Dawn may not have had all the facts.> If Jeff Mach wants to share information that is not> advertising & does not push his product> specifically that is great.> If he wants to show support of HB and buy advertising> for his product, we would welcome him like we do> others. HB does not accept advertising for products we> do not believe in. However, Jeff Mach's product is a> hair related product and seems to be a good choice> according to some feedback.> I would also be happy to exchange links or banners> with Jeff Mach and his site. However, my first> priority, along with Jeff Hines is to provide the> highest quality site for all of our loyal visitors.> There would be no HB without all of you and your> ongoing support and contributions. Jeff Hines and I> know that and appreciate that and we thank you so> much.> It is rare for Jeff Hine and I to censor this board,> as you all know, however, we will always try to do> what is best for everyone.> Thank you Sarah for your support. Thank you Dawn for> sharing your thoughts.> Best wishes to everyone.> Karen
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I totally agree with you!!!!!!!!People on this site can be VERY rude at times>I THINK SARA WAS TO HARD ON THAT GUY. YOU DONT KNOW> HIM, AND YOU CUT HIM DOWN PRETTY BAD. IM NOT SAYING HE> WAS RIGHT. I DONT THINK HE SHOULD PUSH ANYTHING HE> SELLS ON THIS SITE. KAREN WAS TAKING CARE OF IT. I> THINK THIS SITE IS WONDERFUL. I POSTED A MESSAGE ONE> OTHER TIME ABOUT A HOME HAIR TREATMENT AND SPELLED> SOME THINGS WRONG AND SOME ONE RESPONDED MORE ABOUT MY> SPELLING THAN MY QUESTION. IT MADE ME FELL SO STUPID> THAT THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER POST I HAVE MADE. LETS> STICK TO HAIR, AND NOT CUTING DOWN PEOPLE.
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> Thank you Karen. As always, you tell the truth and> never hide behind anything.> I understand why you and Jeff are concerned> and I for one really appreciate it. Thank you for> everything you do and for the site. It is the best one> around for hair.Perfectly put, Jeanette! :)
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> I totally agree with you!!!!!!!!> People on this site can be VERY rude at timesLizzie,What you and Heather are missing is that the guy (from Aurora) in question was being rude by posting advertisements inappropriately on the board and after Karen & Jeff removed the first one, he posted right back again.No one was being rude except that guy.For the most part people are very kind and loving on this site. I have never found anyone to be rude whatsoever.Toni
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EXCUSE ME BUT MAYBE MACH DID NOT KNOW THAT HE COULD NOT ADVERTISE ANY OF HIS PRODUCTS. HE DID APOLOGIZE! DID HE NOT. I DO RECALL HIM POSTING A MESSAGE BACK TO KAREN ASKING WHAT HE CAN AND CANNOT DO. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY MORE POSTINGS OF HIM URGING PEOPLE TO BUY HIS PRODUCTS. MAYBE HE THOUGHT HE WAS BEING HELPFUL BY REFERRING AND LEAVING A NUMBER FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING HIS PRODUCTS. I THINK EVERYONE OWES HIM AN APOLOGY.
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The point that I say that Dawn and others were trying to make is that:1. Some people on this site are quick to villify others for inappropriateness. The end up apologizing afterwards. Remember the H.Taylor+VIviscal thing. I'm sure that the person who started that feels about 2 inches tall.2. Jeff said that he was new here. I'm sure he's seen a lot of the viviscal (not vivisceral) posts here. And if you look, a lot of them had links to Natural Solutions and their number.3. I believe some else posted the first message about the new Auroro Group site (even a link), and how wonderful it was with new look, info, and links. I'm sure his message was in response to the support he saw for his own site.4. There were a few people who were asking for the site address and phone number to orderthe product from both sources.5. I'm sure in his enthusiasm he may have gone too far. But like a lot of poeple, when I ost something here, and I don't see it, I post again thnking that I did sopmething wrong on my end. It would never dawn (no pun :) on me that my message was removed.In short. K&J were handling it in their own fair even tempered manner. Jim apologized and worked out the datails with K&J through private email. You'll notice that they didn't hash it out here on the message board. But everyone else did. I support K&J in the endeavor to provide this board, and I have recieved a lot of valuable info here. But you know the saying that too many chiefs spoil the pot. Let the cheifs handle it please.Can't we all just get along :)No more tempers.Let K&J do their job. And then the rest of us can continue to post the wonderful advice to the many questions that I ask.:):):):)By the way, K&J, have I thanked you two for the wonderful job that you do here.Related Link:I like the product so here's the link
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