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Very nicely put, Rae. Thank you.
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One more thing, about take-down, especially with fusion or loc methods: I'd definitely use a waiver for that and charge by the hour, because it could take forever to remove what someone else did without destroying the client's hair. Also, I'd require the client to start dousing their hair in oils, silicones, conditioners and the rest days before the removal.

When I switched from fusion to pinchbraids, my new (pinchbraid) stylist really didn't want to do the removal, and I can understand why! Who would want to deal with some client who's freaking out because all her hair's been destroyed? So I actually removed them myself, with much more success than my previous removal by my previous (fusion) stylist.

If I had enough clients, I don't think I'd do take-down of a potentially damaging method at all. God knows how much drama you'll be in for. If you're trying to build a clientele, though, it can be hard to turn people down at the beginning....

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Gina, I got your board mail and will e-mail you the info you requested, but I'm thinking Rae's from her website might be better so check that out as well. thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gina E Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2005 at 7:37am
Wowza Scotchy! u gut ESP?
Just went to Rae's and added it to my list!
I think Rae summed this all up for us!

PS...Thanks Scothchy!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zapevaj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2005 at 11:38pm
Jenny, I wouldn't do take-down of any method that I don't do- mostly 'cause I'm not familiar with it. But you're right in that it means that it adds another variable to the "what caused the damage" question, and the damage might get blamed on the take-down stylist!

And I'm glad you all like the disclaimer! Keep in mind it's tailored for me and what I do, and so I can't guarantee its efficacy. Obviously the best thing would be to have a business lawyer create one just for you, but my disclaimer is better than nothing, at least. :)

-Rae
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I have a question for you ladies.  I recently had a girl come to my house to put in extensions and they were horrible.  I'm a black woman and my hair is natural...no chemicals whatsoever because I had chemo and now I have this baby soft wavy/curly hair that I refuse to damage with chemicals... anyway. I asked for wavy hair, she shows up at my house with straight hair stating that they didn't have wavy hair in the length I desired.  I'm thinking she could've called and told me this.  But she said that in her experience the hair waves up a bit so I let her put them in.  Of course she flat ironed my hair first and I told her my hair didn't hold heat well.....anyway it flat ironed ok but i told her again that my hair didn't hold heat well.  When she finished it looked nice.  Then I turned on the shower.....had to go out and show off my new do!  The steam from the shower hit my hair (not even in the shower yet mind you) and there  went my natural hair back to its original state.  I immediately called the stylist and informed her what happened  since she hadn't been gone 15 minutes.  She told me to try and work with it...you know keep flat ironing my hair daily!  I told her this was not going to work, the whole point was less maintenance.  She said she would re-do it.  I put a stop payment on the check, because I didn't want to pay until the finished product. 

She pressed charges, we talked it out, she promised to re-do my hair, gave her another check, made an appointment for he rto come to my house again, didn't happen, tried to contact, no luck. Finally threatened to take her to court, she called back saying no refunds!  Is this automatically assumed?  I feel that since it was never discussed then I'm entitled.  I'm even willing to compromise...either she comes and redoes it or at least give me 50% of my money back.  Her salon manage refuses to compromise on the money and won't allow her to come to my house to redo my hair, wants me to drive an hour to the salon!!!!!

Do I have a case for court?  What should I do?  Please give me some advice!!!

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Hey Cool, what state is this happening in? Geez, this sucks!  I'm sorry you're going thru this all.  I probably wouldn't of let her do the original install if the hair wasn't right.  When you went to court & paid her the money, was it in writing that she was going to do another install free?  What did the contract/waiver say that you signed?  Are you still wearing the extensions?  What method did she use being that your hair is in a fragile state?  Even if she agreed to re-do the extensions, do you really want *her* to do them?  It would prob. be really uncomfortable.
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Bridget,

Thanks for replying.

This is in California.  I haven't taken her to court yet, that is my next step.  And there was NO CONTRACT which is why I believe  I am entitled to at least a partial refund.  And you're right I really don't want her to redo them, but I thought I would least give her the benefit of thr doubt and a second chance.  I no longer think that way.  Now I just want my money back!!! 

No I am not wearing the extensions.  I cut them short that same day (after taking photographs) so that I could put a wig on!!!  If I wanted to wear wigs, I wouldn't have gotten extensions!!! 

 I had cancer in 2003, lost my hair and the whole nine.  I'm tired of wearing wigs and being "stuck" with style, and tired of running to "get my hair" when someone knocks at the door, or living in fear that somebody might snatchit off in public!!!!  Which is why I opted for extensins!

She used the fusion method and I had to take them down myself, because supposedly the hair she ordered for the re-do didn't come when she expected it and she was leaving town....which meant leaving me with that mess on my head for a week!! So I took the time and took them out with mineral oil and pliers...I did not damage to my hair!

I'm just trying to get a little advice on if it would be worth while to take her to court or should I just chauk it up as a loss and learn my lesson?

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did you get a recipt?
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No, but I do have my cancelled check with notes in the *memo*
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That's so sleazy. You just can't go installing silky straight hair (I don't care if it has a little wave after washing) into wavy/curly hair and expect the customer to pay for that. Grr...

I wish I had some more helpful suggestions, but obviously, any correspondence with her--email or notes from phone conversations--would probably be helpful to your case.

Good luck. I'm sorry you have to go through this. Keep us posted.

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I went through something similar. I feel for you.
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ps, talk to a lawyer, and if you can't afford one...

http://www.dca.ca.gov/r_r/legalso1.htm

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Cool, you definitely have a case on the basis that she didn't give you what you paid for (i.e. silky hair instead of wavy/curly). Even though you agreed to let her put it in your hair, she gave you false information by saying it would match after washing. And you -definitely- have a case in the second instance, where you paid her and she -didn't show up-. That's just theft.

So you definitely have grounds for a case. The real question is, is it worth it? Civil cases are actually really expensive, in terms of court fees and time, even if you represent yourself (instead of getting a lawyer). How much are you out to this stylist/salon? It might also be worth getting a consultation with an attorney and showing them the facts and getting their opinion- they may know about other options to put pressure on the salon and basically scare them into giving you your money back. :)

And, even if you decide not to go after the money because it'd be too much trouble, definitely don't let them get away with it. Write to your cosmetology board (since the lady works at a salon), the Chamber of Commerce, Better Business Beaureau, and maybe even your local newspaper. Oh, and definitely post a review of them online, naming names- other customers deserve to know that they won't ge tthier money's worth if they go to this salon.

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Thankx for the advice!!  I definately plan on talking to a lawyer and filing in small claims court!  And absolutely plan to write everybody I can possibly think of!!!!  I didn't even think about the newspapers! 

She finally called me yesterday and told me to talk to her manager....which just happened to be her mother, so you know there was no reasoning with her!  The manager/mother basically told me that I didn't have a leg to stand on in court (which i seriously doubt) and shes been in the business 20 years!  Well if she's been in it so long, then she should know better!!!  The girl who did my hair is 5 months pregnant and the "managemom" says she won't let her drive down...but in the same breath asked me why I was talking to her when the girl is an independent contractor!  I understand that she's pregnant, but she was pregnant 2 weeks ago when she came down the first time!!!!

Okay, enough venting!!!!!  Gotta start on paperwork and making phone calls!  Will keep u posted, and THANKS SO MUCH!!!

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So sorry Cool that you're having this most trouble just to get a rockin' hair do!

Good luck to you!

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