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Hi, Jeff.

I've been following the reviews of Hair Formula 37--I decided to bide my time so I don't make another "Viviscal" mistake--and I have a question.

You and Karen both report that the product has made your hair thicker, stronger, and healthier. How can a something that is ingested affect any hair except the new growth? The hair shaft is dead, right? Since hair grows only a half-inch per month, why doesn't it take months to see a difference in a head of hair?

I am not skeptical of you and Karen. I would just like to understand. I'm intrigued by this product and think I might try it.

Thanks,
Ally

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Hi Ally,

Jeff asked me to answer this question since I have been much more focused on the H37 product and how it has impacted my own hair.

I am not a chemist. I have spent a lot of time studying hair and know a lot about it but I can not honestly say for sure whether hair is dead or not. I have read conflicting information on that. Some people say hair is dead, some say it is not. I used to believe it was dead but am having some doubts about this.

All I can really address about H37 is my own experiences as I do with everything else on Hair Boutique from using ARTec Moisture Pak (which really works for me) to not using blow dryers (which tend to dry out my hair). The same is true with H37. I can only tell you what my experiences have been.

I started taking H37 mainly because I was having lots of problems with my hair many months ago. Also, Mike Trobee had approached me about selling H37 on Hair Boutique and I did not want to sell anything unless I had first tried it myself and felt good about it. I actually turned Mike down for some time until I had several months of testing the product.

I did a lot of research on Viviscal when it first showed up on the market and decided that I did not feel comfortable enough to sell it on Hair Boutique. So not only did we not sell it, we declined to accept advertising money or an affliates deal with the Viviscal people who were very interested in having Hair Boutique push the product. I have a lot of reasons for my opinion about Viviscal but for now let me focus on H37.

I started having lots of problems with my hair several months ago. It got exceptionally dry and brittle and stopped growing (I highlight my hair so I have roots when my hair is growing).

It turned out that I had hypothyroidism although I did not know it at that time. My thyroid disease was eventually, after several months, diagnosed through blood tests by a endocrinologist at Baylor Hospital here in Dallas. Not only was my hair a sudden nightmare of tangles and brittleness (really yucky), but my skin was dry and cracking and I had zero energy (which is totally alien to someone like me who never sleeps more than 4 hours a nite).

It took awhile for the doctors to diagnose the thyroid problem because it was a borderline case and the blood tests were "inconclusive". However, the endocrinologist eventually found the disease (thank heavens) when my regular family doctor could not.

In the meantime my hair was so bad that I even posted a message on Hair Politics that I was thinking of cutting it off because it was so bad.

At about that time I started taking H37 to test it and after about 2 weeks I started noting a small change in the texture of my hair. It stopped tangling so badly and felt a little softer in texture.

In fact, my hair seemed to be less brittle and softer overall.

It is important to note that at that point in time I had not started taking the thyroid meds that I was eventually given by the endocrinologist. However, my hair was slowly but steadily improving and it was obvious to others who were commenting on my hair and how it was changing.

Shelley Pryor, my long hair specialist, had been working with me while my hair was so dry and had tried all sorts of deep conditioning treatments on my hair at her salon. She made the comment, after a few weeks of me taking H37, that my hair seemed to be improving for some reason. I told her about the H37 and she was skeptical.

Anyway, I kept on taking the H37 and my roots again started to show (new growth) and the rest of my hair continued to just feel a lot softer and thicker. It also just felt stronger and started to look like my hair used to be before the thyroid problems.

Jeff took the H37 and his hair seemed fuller and his beard grew like a weed. He had to trim it after just a few weeks rather than a few months. I also asked Jane Bullock to take the H37 and her hair grew really fast. We know because she normally goes to Shelley every 3-4 weeks for a trim and was going in every 2 weeks instead. Shelley told me that it was ridiculous how fast Jane's hair was growing and she should not be taking hair vitamins because her hair was growing too fast to hold its bedhead shape.

Shelley has been so impressed with the changes in my hair texture and the speed of Jane's growth that the last time I went to see her (about 3 weeks ago) she insisted on trying H37.

Yes, I know that it is supposed to only help the new hair but I do know for a fact that my hair seemed to "come back" from dryness and brittle texture to full and soft and as good, if not better, than ever.

I can not begin to tell you have frantic I was about my hair. My post on Hair Politics generated a lot of upsetting email responses from people telling me that I should not cut my hair...no matter what. Well my hair was horrible before the vitamins and I was really getting tired of having so much hair in my brush and it feeling really yucky all the time. I can totally relate to people who have hair loss issues and problems with hair dryness.

I know that you are not specifically doubting Jeff and I about H37 and just want to avoid the same issues you had with Viviscal. I understand that you are just concerned about the claims of H37. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about H37 andy my experiences.

One thing I have to say is that I will not guarantee that H37 works for everyone. That is why we have the 100% money back guarantee. No questions asked and that is how we do it.

I can also tell you that in all the months that we have been carrying the H37 product we have only had a handful of people ask for their money back, which we promptly provided.

The reasons that they returned the product were varied and only 1 person felt H37 did not have any noticeable impact. We had returns mostly because people experienced niacin flushes or they could not take the pills because they tend to be larger than most vitamins, although they have been sized down considerably as a result of this issue.

To be honest I actually can not explain exactly why my hair improved but Shelley and Jeff and my friends can attest to the fact that it was originally a mess before I took the H37. I also know that my hair definitely changed and there is no other explanation than the H37. I had done nothing else to cause any change in my hair at that point in time.

My hair did improve even more about 3 months after I started taking the thyroid meds, but there was a period of time where I was just taking H37 and there was a significant difference in the texture and feel and overall condition of my hair.

The only other time I took vitamins that were specifically for hair was about 8 years ago when a lot of my hair fell out when I was on a "fasting" type of diet. My hair stylist during that phase had me drinking the Nature's Plus Ultra Hair Shakes which helped somewhat.

I will tell you honestly that I don't know for a fact that hair is dead or not. I used to believe that it was dead but then recently a hair expert told me that the hair will respond to changes in diet and other factors because it is not really dead and the whole body responds to a variety of factors, including changes in diet and stress.

I don't have the scientific details or evidence. All I know is that the H37 works really well for me and it worked well for Jane and Jeff.

Just like everything else, it will not work for everyone and we don't even hint of a promise that it will. If anything, we tell people strongly not to order the product if they want a 100% guarantee because we can not give that in all honesty. It works for most people. I can promise that.

I also tell people about the great results I get with Aveda's Beautifying Oil. I have had people write and tell me that it makes their hair too oily. The H37 is the same thing. It works for me and I totally believe in it. It may not work for you or everyone else and I am very open and upfront about that. If it doesn't and you bought some, we will refund your money, no questions asked.

I personally would not feel OK about selling anything that I did not personally take and feel good about. However, I have learned from my time with Hair Boutique that it is important to make a big deal about the fact that nothing, no hair product or supplement, ever works well for everyone.

Does H37 only help the new hair grow? That has not been my personal experience. Does it make hair stronger and healthier? It seemed to for me. Will it work for everyone? No, absolutely not. However, the only way people can find out is to experience their own results.

Is it safe? My doctors have told me yes, it is very safe.

Some people have questioned the amount of niacin in the product. I believe that everyone, no matter what, should consult their doctors before taking the product. If there is a history of heart disease or blood pressure problems, the person should ask their doctors if the product is OK for them. This is true with everything.

There is always an exception to every case. A friend of mine who has heart disease can't eat a lot of soups because of the high sodium content. Who would begin to think that soup was dangerous to health? Anything that we ingest can be a problem for some people. However, it is usually a tiny minority, just like my friend who can't eat most soups.

If anyone reading this has scientific documentation on hair and whether it is dead or not I would love to have a copy. I have been getting a lot of conflicting info on the topic and would love to get more research materials.

Thanks for your question. I hope that if you have more you will post them here.

Best wishes,
Karen

> Hi, Jeff.

> I've been following the reviews of Hair Formula 37--I
> decided to bide my time so I don't make another
> "Viviscal" mistake--and I have a question.

> You and Karen both report that the product has made
> your hair thicker, stronger, and healthier. How can a
> something that is ingested affect any hair except the
> new growth? The hair shaft is dead, right? Since hair
> grows only a half-inch per month, why doesn't it take
> months to see a difference in a head of hair?

> I am not skeptical of you and Karen. I would just like
> to understand. I'm intrigued by this product and think
> I might try it.

> Thanks,
> Ally

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Sorry for the bad pun...

But if hair is not dead, wouldn't it hurt if we cut it? When I trim dead cuticle around my nail, it doesn't hurt. But if I accidentally cut living skin, it definitely hurts!

It is a confusing issue, though.

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Karen,

Thank you for responding so quickly.

I am quite ready to believe you, since I know from my own experience that science is not always right about haircare. For example, "experts" have been saying for years that there is no scientific basis for switching shampoos every few days, but I think everyone knows it works.

Also, I think everyone has had inexplicable bad hair days, when they did nothing different to their hair and still had a mess on their head. I've even had bad hair /weeks/ when my hair was so dry and tangled I wanted to cut it. Then one morning it's soft and shiny again, with no change in regimen. This would point to diet, stress, and other factors affecting my whole /head/ of hair.

I've decided to try H37 after the holidays.

Oh, and I just wanted to reiterate: I've been regular to this site for over a year now, and although I don't agree with everything I read, I've never doubted your integrity. Your impartiality has been impressive. So I do not mean to imply that you're in on some "take the money and run" promotional scam, or that you would abuse your influence. If you and Jeff say it works for you, I believe it does.

Thanks so much,
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Hi Jena,

I just visited with my dermatologist last week, and while waiting for the doc to stop by the exam room, I was checking out his flip charts on the physical structure of the hair around the root. Certainly the blood supplies the root of the hair, enabling growth of the different hair cells, but I wonder (the charts weren't clear here) to what extent both the medulla and the cortex are "fluid" from the root outward towards the ends of the hair. What I'm wondering is if that which nourishes the creation of the hair itself within the root might also "feed" the medulla and cortex as the hair extends outward from the head, sorta like a tree and it's sap.

No scientific basis for these thoughts, and no I didn't think to ask the doc as I wasn't seeing him about my hair. :-)

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> Hi Ally,

> Jeff asked me to answer this question since I have
> been much more focused on the H37 product and how it
> has impacted my own hair.

> I am not a chemist. I have spent a lot of time
> studying hair and know a lot about it but I can not
> honestly say for sure whether hair is dead or not. I
> have read conflicting information on that. Some people
> say hair is dead, some say it is not. I used to
> believe it was dead but am having some doubts about
> this.

> All I can really address about H37 is my own
> experiences as I do with everything else on Hair
> Boutique from using ARTec Moisture Pak (which really
> works for me) to not using blow dryers (which tend to
> dry out my hair). The same is true with H37. I can
> only tell you what my experiences have been.

> I started taking H37 mainly because I was having lots
> of problems with my hair many months ago. Also, Mike
> Trobee had approached me about selling H37 on Hair
> Boutique and I did not want to sell anything unless I
> had first tried it myself and felt good about it. I
> actually turned Mike down for some time until I had
> several months of testing the product.

> I did a lot of research on Viviscal when it first
> showed up on the market and decided that I did not
> feel comfortable enough to sell it on Hair Boutique.
> So not only did we not sell it, we declined to accept
> advertising money or an affliates deal with the
> Viviscal people who were very interested in having
> Hair Boutique push the product. I have a lot of
> reasons for my opinion about Viviscal but for now let
> me focus on H37.

> I started having lots of problems with my hair several
> months ago. It got exceptionally dry and brittle and
> stopped growing (I highlight my hair so I have roots
> when my hair is growing).

> It turned out that I had hypothyroidism although I did
> not know it at that time. My thyroid disease was
> eventually, after several months, diagnosed through
> blood tests by a endocrinologist at Baylor Hospital
> here in Dallas. Not only was my hair a sudden
> nightmare of tangles and brittleness (really yucky),
> but my skin was dry and cracking and I had zero energy
> (which is totally alien to someone like me who never
> sleeps more than 4 hours a nite).

> It took awhile for the doctors to diagnose the thyroid
> problem because it was a borderline case and the blood
> tests were "inconclusive". However, the
> endocrinologist eventually found the disease (thank
> heavens) when my regular family doctor could not.

> In the meantime my hair was so bad that I even posted
> a message on Hair Politics that I was thinking of
> cutting it off because it was so bad.

> At about that time I started taking H37 to test it and
> after about 2 weeks I started noting a small change in
> the texture of my hair. It stopped tangling so badly
> and felt a little softer in texture.

> In fact, my hair seemed to be less brittle and softer
> overall.

> It is important to note that at that point in time I
> had not started taking the thyroid meds that I was
> eventually given by the endocrinologist. However, my
> hair was slowly but steadily improving and it was
> obvious to others who were commenting on my hair and
> how it was changing.

> Shelley Pryor, my long hair specialist, had been
> working with me while my hair was so dry and had tried
> all sorts of deep conditioning treatments on my hair
> at her salon. She made the comment, after a few weeks
> of me taking H37, that my hair seemed to be improving
> for some reason. I told her about the H37 and she was
> skeptical.

> Anyway, I kept on taking the H37 and my roots again
> started to show (new growth) and the rest of my hair
> continued to just feel a lot softer and thicker. It
> also just felt stronger and started to look like my
> hair used to be before the thyroid problems.

> Jeff took the H37 and his hair seemed fuller and his
> beard grew like a weed. He had to trim it after just a
> few weeks rather than a few months. I also asked Jane
> Bullock to take the H37 and her hair grew really fast.
> We know because she normally goes to Shelley every 3-4
> weeks for a trim and was going in every 2 weeks
> instead. Shelley told me that it was ridiculous how
> fast Jane's hair was growing and she should not be
> taking hair vitamins because her hair was growing too
> fast to hold its bedhead shape.

> Shelley has been so impressed with the changes in my
> hair texture and the speed of Jane's growth that the
> last time I went to see her (about 3 weeks ago) she
> insisted on trying H37.

> Yes, I know that it is supposed to only help the new
> hair but I do know for a fact that my hair seemed to
> "come back" from dryness and brittle texture
> to full and soft and as good, if not better, than
> ever.

> I can not begin to tell you have frantic I was about
> my hair. My post on Hair Politics generated a lot of
> upsetting email responses from people telling me that
> I should not cut my hair...no matter what. Well my
> hair was horrible before the vitamins and I was really
> getting tired of having so much hair in my brush and
> it feeling really yucky all the time. I can totally
> relate to people who have hair loss issues and
> problems with hair dryness.

> I know that you are not specifically doubting Jeff and
> I about H37 and just want to avoid the same issues you
> had with Viviscal. I understand that you are just
> concerned about the claims of H37. I appreciate the
> opportunity to talk about H37 andy my experiences.

> One thing I have to say is that I will not guarantee
> that H37 works for everyone. That is why we have the
> 100% money back guarantee. No questions asked and that
> is how we do it.

> I can also tell you that in all the months that we
> have been carrying the H37 product we have only had a
> handful of people ask for their money back, which we
> promptly provided.

> The reasons that they returned the product were varied
> and only 1 person felt H37 did not have any noticeable
> impact. We had returns mostly because people
> experienced niacin flushes or they could not take the
> pills because they tend to be larger than most
> vitamins, although they have been sized down
> considerably as a result of this issue.

> To be honest I actually can not explain exactly why my
> hair improved but Shelley and Jeff and my friends can
> attest to the fact that it was originally a mess
> before I took the H37. I also know that my hair
> definitely changed and there is no other explanation
> than the H37. I had done nothing else to cause any
> change in my hair at that point in time.

> My hair did improve even more about 3 months after I
> started taking the thyroid meds, but there was a
> period of time where I was just taking H37 and there
> was a significant difference in the texture and feel
> and overall condition of my hair.

> The only other time I took vitamins that were
> specifically for hair was about 8 years ago when a lot
> of my hair fell out when I was on a
> "fasting" type of diet. My hair stylist
> during that phase had me drinking the Nature's Plus
> Ultra Hair Shakes which helped somewhat.

> I will tell you honestly that I don't know for a fact
> that hair is dead or not. I used to believe that it
> was dead but then recently a hair expert told me that
> the hair will respond to changes in diet and other
> factors because it is not really dead and the whole
> body responds to a variety of factors, including
> changes in diet and stress.

> I don't have the scientific details or evidence. All I
> know is that the H37 works really well for me and it
> worked well for Jane and Jeff.

> Just like everything else, it will not work for
> everyone and we don't even hint of a promise that it
> will. If anything, we tell people strongly not to
> order the product if they want a 100% guarantee
> because we can not give that in all honesty. It works
> for most people. I can promise that.

> I also tell people about the great results I get with
> Aveda's Beautifying Oil. I have had people write and
> tell me that it makes their hair too oily. The H37 is
> the same thing. It works for me and I totally believe
> in it. It may not work for you or everyone else and I
> am very open and upfront about that. If it doesn't and
> you bought some, we will refund your money, no
> questions asked.

> I personally would not feel OK about selling anything
> that I did not personally take and feel good about.
> However, I have learned from my time with Hair
> Boutique that it is important to make a big deal about
> the fact that nothing, no hair product or supplement,
> ever works well for everyone.

> Does H37 only help the new hair grow? That has not
> been my personal experience. Does it make hair
> stronger and healthier? It seemed to for me. Will it
> work for everyone? No, absolutely not. However, the
> only way people can find out is to experience their
> own results.

> Is it safe? My doctors have told me yes, it is very
> safe.

> Some people have questioned the amount of niacin in
> the product. I believe that everyone, no matter what,
> should consult their doctors before taking the
> product. If there is a history of heart disease or
> blood pressure problems, the person should ask their
> doctors if the product is OK for them. This is true
> with everything.

> There is always an exception to every case. A friend
> of mine who has heart disease can't eat a lot of soups
> because of the high sodium content. Who would begin to
> think that soup was dangerous to health? Anything that
> we ingest can be a problem for some people. However,
> it is usually a tiny minority, just like my friend who
> can't eat most soups.

> If anyone reading this has scientific documentation on
> hair and whether it is dead or not I would love to
> have a copy. I have been getting a lot of conflicting
> info on the topic and would love to get more research
> materials.

> Thanks for your question. I hope that if you have more
> you will post them here.

> Best wishes,
> Karen

Hi Karen. Your post was interesting. When I saw the pics of your hair I thought you were one of the very lucky people who always had great hair and were just taking HF37 to keep it that way. Now that your saying HF37 helps your hair look like that I want to try it for awhile myself. Since Hair Boutique don't take orders through regular mail with checks or money orders, is there any other place I can order that I can buy it through snail mail?

And as for the hair being dead or alive, I'm not exactly sure, I'm guessing it's "dead" though. Vitamins and such are absorbed into the hair shaft. Like how calcium goes into our bones. When people say they take flax seed oil or fish oils and in a few weeks thier hair is more shiny, it's because the oils go through the hair roots onto the hair, I'm guessing vitamins might act similar. Thats my theory on how vitamins and such work on the hair.

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Q: What results should I see?

A: Hair should be stronger, grow faster, look healthier, feel thicker, and overall look great. Keep in mind this applies to only to the hair that has grow out since starting the program. Many clients have reported double normal hair growth.

This is from: http://www.thehair.com/questions.htm

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> Q: I really need a new style for my hair but i'm affraid to cut or color my hair. what should i do with the doo? Ever time i color my hair with blonde it turns to a reddish color or you can see traces of ash. My roots are going out and i really need to color them, please help!!
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Hi! Ive been taking this product for 3 weeks now, and I DO see a little bit of growth. Im curious to see the results it produces over a few months. Hopefully it will work for me : )

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I HAVE TRIED A LOT OF PRODUCT TO PROMOTE HAIR GROWTH. MY HAIR IS DRY, THIN, AND TANGELS VERY EASILY WHEN WASHED. IS YOUR PRODUCT DESIGNED TO HELP AFRICAN AMERICAN HAIR TYPES.

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> I HAVE TRIED A LOT OF PRODUCT TO PROMOTE HAIR GROWTH.
> MY HAIR IS DRY, THIN, AND TANGELS VERY EASILY WHEN
> WASHED. IS YOUR PRODUCT DESIGNED TO HELP AFRICAN
> AMERICAN HAIR TYPES.

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By that argument, your eyeballs are dead (or at least a good portion of them).

About a year ago a piece of metal embedded into the center of my cornea. It irritated me for a couple days, and I didn't know what it was. Finally, concluding that I had some sort of ulcer or something on the inside of my eyelid, I went to the eye doctor.

He took a look, saw the iron filing, and took it out with a tweezer (DON'T BLINK). Then, since the shard was iron, he had to remove the remaining rust. He did this by grinding the cornea with a dentist drill (spun by hand).

While all this was very distressing (Don't blink while I grind your eyeball) I can assure you there was absolutely no pain.

After the "operation" I had blurry vision in that eye. When I got home, I looked in the mirror and could tell why: the end of my eyeball was now a crater. I thought I was going to have to sue. Amazingly, though, within a day, my eye had grown back to normal.

The point is that feeling is not a good measure to determine if something is alive. Scientifically, I think a better test would be to see if growth, or at least metabolism was present in the tissue.

I must say that I am of the believe that there is no living tissue in hair past the skin. In fact, I think it is easy to view which part of the hair is alive. If you look at a hair that falls out naturally, you will notice that the shaft decreased in diameter until it became the thinnest near the base. This is because the hair was changing from active growth to a dormant state. The hair remained dormant in the follicle until new growth expelled the hair. Looking closely at the freshly expelled hair, you will notice that the hair is uniformly hard all the way to the end.

Now compare this to a freshly plucked hair that is in active growth. If you look carefully at the root end of a freshly plucked hair, you will notice that it is soft, maybe even almost liquid. I believe (although, like Karen, I have no scientific basis for this) that this is the portion that is alive. I further believe that it dies when it dries out and becomes hard.

I also don't question Karen's integrity. I cannot comment on changes to the main portion of her hair after having taken HF37, because I have not had the luxury to experience it. I would suggest, though, that if there was a cause/effect relationship related to HF37, it is related to the production of oils that were then subsequently brushed/absorbed down the length of the hair shaft. There may also be a certain amount of coincidence. Did the period of unmanageable hair happen to coincide with unusually dry weather for example? Water quality can also make a difference. There are too many variables to pin anything down, I think.

I've been taking HF37 myself (just finished the first bottle of step 1), and I have not noticed any change in the main portion of my hair. I have noticed some things, but I am reluctant to comment on them since I have not been rigorous about measuring them. I will post actual results when I get good actual measurements.
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Hair is dead.
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