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It is really too soon to tell whether your new regimen is working.  It takes a while to see really noticable effects.  And yes, the damage could be due to overprocessing.  Either way, you should seriously consider limiting or discontinuing the flat iron (at least for a while).  Too much heat is very drying and damaging and if you do have relaxer damage, the heat will just make it worse. 

You may want to try a reconstructor (Emergencee is good) followed by moisturizing conditioner.  Repeat weekly or every other week.  (See Cookiesncream's post on Emergencee and relaxer damage.)  This stuff can seriously slow breakage.  Also I noticed that you did not clarify.  If you have buildup (which you most liekly have) then you need to clarify.  The buildup of certain ingredients can interfere with the effects of other products you use and also make your hair look and feel terrible.  You need a clarifying shampoo or apple cider vinegar rinse.

If your mom will not purchase the Emergencee, at least try clarifying and then continue the new regimen with lots of moisture and keep heat to a minimum. 

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I've heard a lot of people say mango butter caused their hair to be dry but I've never tried it.  If your hair feels okay using that then continue use but if not I would try something different. 

Okay.....so you get regular trims.....the only other thing that I would think it might be is the heat.  You may be using heat too often.  Have you ever thought of trying styles that require no direct heat so your hair can get a rest or maybe stretching your relaxer or growing it out and being natural?  Do you blow dry as well as flat iron?  My hair gets fragile with blow drying and that's why I don't do it.  Sorry to ask so many questions, just trying to help as much as I can. 

Yes, I would talk to a doctor about bc pills just to be on the safe side.  Did you experience breakage before you started taking that particular bc?

 

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i get a trim every time i get my hair relaxed so this should be new healthy hair i just dont get it ...could it be because of my bc pills ....ive tried everything ive reduced heat from 5 to 3 .....ive not used the herbal essence smoothing milk or the pomade .iv used nithing but the mango buterand my hair still breaks..i even tie my hair up along with using a satin pillow case the only difference i can see is gthe bc pills should i change them ...talk to my doctor or my stylist or what?

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Originally posted by TwinkletOes23 TwinkletOes23 wrote:

after i followed my hair regimine mentioned above my hair turned out soft and pretty but still with breakage not as much buti dont want there to be any could this be relaxer damage ?

Sorry if you've already mentioned this but how often do you get trims?  You should probably trim some of those damaged ends off because that's why they are breaking.  Like cmesweet said, the damage is probablly from your past regimine.  But by following a better regimine you hair will be much healthier, especially after you get those bad ends off.

If you ends are really damaged this may only be a temporary fix but castor oil is good for ends.  It is a humectant and is very moisturizing.  A lot of people swear by it for stopping/reducing breakage.

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Your hair could just be breaking off from the regimen you had before. If you had that regimen for a length of time with alot of heat or the wrong products than your hair was probably damaged and the results are now showing as breakage. 

I think you should do some deep conditioning...also try to stretch your relaxers.

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after i followed my hair regimine mentioned above my hair turned out soft and pretty but still with breakage not as much buti dont want there to be any could this be relaxer damage ?

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Pokahontas and NoNapNique make a good point.  I guess this is a personal issue and the only way to know what works for you is by trial and error.  If you remove an ingredient from your regimen and replace with a new one and your hair improves, then you know that was effective for your hair. 

In your case, you can try several things: 

A. Reduce the amount of heat and continue using the same products as before.  If your hair noticably improves then you know you have to limit use of the flat iron.

B. Continue using flat iron as often as you normally do but remove one or 2 ingredients from your regimen (ex. anything with petroleum, mineral oil or cones or whatever you suspect your hair is sensitive to) and replace with moisturizer that does not contain these.  If your hair improves, great.  If remains the same then the ingredients are may not the problem. 

C. Reduce amount of heat and eliminate suspect ingredients.

Personally, I think the heat is a big factor.  Maybe just doing more deep conditioners and using a better moisturizer daily will be enough to see improvement.  Also, if the salon products work well at the salon, then there may be no need to switch using them at home despite the mineral oil in them.  

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I second what everyone was saying about the absence of moisture in your regimen...  The same thing happened to me - I thought I was doing everything right and I was getting frustrated that I was still getting breakage...  Then I figured out the culprit - LACK OF DAILY MOISTURE.  So I made my own daily moisturizer:

distilled water/glycerin/Emu oil/alcohol-free aloe vera gel/and a moisturizing conditioner (w/no protein in it)... 

Talk about SILKY, MOISTURIZED, and STRONG!!!  My hair has made a complete turn-around! I still see a couple broken strands every now and then, but NOTHING compared to what it used to be.

Be careful with the long term daily use of the Hollywood Beauty Carrot Oil, because there is protein in it.  I was using it everyday thinking it would stop my breakage, but it made it worse due to the protein in it. My hair is "protein sensitive".

Oh... and don't worry so much about mineral oil and petrolatum in your conditioners or oil moisturizers - Pokahontas is right, you are rinsing them off.  And whatever stays on is somewhat beneficial in that it will smooth and protect strands... Only be concerned if you are applying a product directly to your scalp, because you don't want to clog the pores.  Alot of ladies with long, healthy hair SWEAR by Vaseline (petrolatum) on their ends.

 

 

 



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Originally posted by TwinkletOes23 TwinkletOes23 wrote:

ok i just washed my hair and this is what i used ok i started by using the rest of the sample i had of dove intense moisture shampoo and conditioner although the conditoner has cerytol alcohol (is that a bad thing) well then i used the suave three minute conditoner. I didnt use the shampoo my salonist gave me this time because the conditioner   has mineral oil in it (why do companies always but mineral oil in shampoo thats ment for  and you guys said mineral oil was bad(why do companies always put mineral oil in shampoo ment for relaxed hair sigh) anywho now im going to put the mango butter on it and my thermasilk leave in conditoner and then  roll it up with sponge rollers wrapped in satin let it air dry about 80 percent then with the rollers still in  spray it lightly with V05 heat tamer then blow dry it on low until its dry.Then im going to put my flat iron setting  on 3 and flat iron it out just enough to smooth it.Then when im done i will put just a little herbal essence smoothing creme just a little bit and a little shock serum just a little just to give it a little shine.

so how does this sound feel free to tell me if i have done something wrong

 

ps threw that pantene stuff in the trash and stomped on it lol

That sounds good.  How did it turn out?

I don't know about everyone else but I don't worry too much about mineral oils that are in shampoo's and conditioners because I am rinsing them out anyway.  Of course it would be better if they weren't in there though.

Dove's smoothing creme is really good also.  I've never tried the Herbal Essence one that you mentioned.

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for clarifying- i reccommend sally's generic version of Nexxus Aloe rid- i used this for the first time last weekend and it was very moisturizing and brought my hair back to life. Very pleased. also i totally agree with everyone else- you need to deep condition weekly with a thin, plastic cap under heat for 45 mins to an hour. Some really good deep conditioners are Queen Helene Super Cholesterol treatment, Lamaur's bone Marrow, also i use a dominican "roostertail" of miss keys 10 en 1, rivas silicon mix and emergencia. for protein i add Jherri Rhedding's 100% natural protein conditioner to the dominican "roostertail". for shedding i use either queen helene garlic shampoo or Nutrine Garlic shampoo and nutrine garlic conditioner. Shampoos that i like are Salon Care Shampoos and Conditioners that can be purchased at Sally's Beauty Supply. I also like Aussie Moist, Tresseme- the one anti-breakage one, and a shampoo concentrate that i got at www.thechemistrystore.com (i also like their vitamin fortified hair conditioner too). for moisture- i use a glycerin/aloe juice/distilled water/rosemary oil spritz. I also add liquid aloe vera and glycerin to my conditioners-since i have hard water. to oil my scalp i am currently using rosemary oil diluted in coconut oil but i also have evening primrose oil, sweet almond oil, apricot kernel oil, castor oil, jamaica black castor oil and grapeseed oil on hand. I use the castor oil/jamaica black castor oil for ends treatments/pre-shampoo treatments( i sometimes use heat for 10-15 mins prior to shampooing). Hope this helps.
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ok i just washed my hair and this is what i used ok i started by using the rest of the sample i had of dove intense moisture shampoo and conditioner although the conditoner has cerytol alcohol (is that a bad thing) well then i used the suave three minute conditoner. I didnt use the shampoo my salonist gave me this time because the conditioner   has mineral oil in it (why do companies always but mineral oil in shampoo thats ment for  and you guys said mineral oil was bad(why do companies always put mineral oil in shampoo ment for relaxed hair sigh) anywho now im going to put the mango butter on it and my thermasilk leave in conditoner and then  roll it up with sponge rollers wrapped in satin let it air dry about 80 percent then with the rollers still in  spray it lightly with V05 heat tamer then blow dry it on low until its dry.Then im going to put my flat iron setting  on 3 and flat iron it out just enough to smooth it.Then when im done i will put just a little herbal essence smoothing creme just a little bit and a little shock serum just a little just to give it a little shine.

so how does this sound feel free to tell me if i have done something wrong

 

ps threw that pantene stuff in the trash and stomped on it lol

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Using your conditioner w/ a plastic cap and blow dryer should work fine.  Also, do you have a microwave?  You can mix up a batch of conditioner, extra virgin olive oil and/or other goodies like shea or coco butter (there are great recipes for stuff like this in other threads) and heat in a microwave.  Then you can apply the warm mixture to your hair, cover and let it sit for a while.

None of the styling products that you mentioned are moisturizers.  They contain tons of cones (both the Herbal Essence smoothing creme & Brilliant Brunet serum). Cones make your hair feel slippery and slick but they coat your hair in the process and contribute to dryness.  Some cones (don't know which ones) build up and require a stronger shampoo or clarifying ACV rinse (I think?) to remove. Also, the Herbal Essence has protein as an ingredient.  Too much protein can actually be bad for your hair and lead to breakage. The Pantene oil moisturizer has mineral oil, petroleum included in the main ingredients (these coat and suffocate your hair) and has cones and protein.  No wonder your hair is breaking.  Not sure about the V05 Heat Tamer ingredients, but you are right to use a heat protectant of some sort whenever you flat iron. 

Replacing a couple of these products (Pantene especially) with a good moisturizer & natural oils (shea butter, olive  or carrot cream, Elasta QP Mango Butter / Hollywood Carrot oil or just plain Extra Virgin Olive Oil from the market) should make a big difference. 

In my case, I gave up styling products with cones as they really tend to dry out my hair.  Everyone is different though.  Try eliminating one product at least (Pantene) and replace with a better moisturizer.  See if that makes a difference. Good luck!

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im using the silk2 shampoo and conditioner......so my herbal essence stuff shouldnt be used?   ok ill deep conditon my silk 2 conditioner can be used as a deep conditioner or as just a quick conditioner its up to the used...umm i dont have a hooded dryer at my dorm can i put on a plastic cap and use my blow dryer on low?
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Definitely listen to the ladies on this board will.  They really know their stuff.  

I agree, it sounds like your hair needs clarifying to remove the buildup from styling products, and is also craving moisture.  For this, I think using a decent clarifying shampoo and deep conditioner once a week or every other week would help.  Add a natural oil or butter to your regimen (olive oil, jojoba oil, shea butter, coco, mango, etc..) anything natural to add shine and improve health of hair.  All the products you listed that you use have harsh ingredients in them and will not improve the health of your hair.  Used sparingly or along with natural oils or butters they are fine but used exclusively and they will build up and dryout your hair.

Definitely give up the Pantene oil moisturizer.  Elasta should be an improvement.  There are other really good moisturizers that have been mentioned on this board (there are several threads you may want to look up).  Also, using a flat iron is fine, but you may want to find alternate ways to style your hair in order to reduce the frequent use of heat which is very drying.  This will definitely make a difference in your overall hair health. 

Also, which of the silk 2 products are you using.  I have never heard of this line but it looks like a decent salon line. 

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ok i have a sample of dove ill use it ....how about if i put my flat iron on 3 if i dont flat iron it no  matter when i got my relaxer ill have a BIG POOFY MESS so what if i put my relaxer on 3 instead of 5 i was told by my salonist to not go past 8?
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If there's no white bulb, you're probably experiencing breakage like you first thought.
You're right to think of your hair health first, it doesn't matter how good a product makes your hair look if it's making it fall out of your head!
Find an inexpensive moisturizing shampoo and conditioner, double processing your hair can make it super dry.  Dove is good, so is Aussie Moist...it's all a matter of finding what works best for you.
And you may want to cut back on the flat ironing, even though you use the vo5 spray (I use it too!) the heat (especially on level 5) can make your hair even more brittle.
If you want your hair to shine, try a natural oil like castor or grape seed...they also help make it stronger. Just use a little bit or you'll end up one greasy mess.     Good luck!
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nope no white bulb
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                  if it's shedding you will see a white bulb at the and of the strand.
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ok i looked at the nuetrogena stuff its expensive and my mom wouldnt get it because it cost so much (poor poor college student) so she got me the eq elastic mango butter is this ok? Ill try to se if i can butter her up today to get the nutrogena since she just got paid :).....but the breakage is lessening now maybe it was shedding and i thought it was breaking how do i tell the difference?yes the pantene is full of mineral oil my mom loves the stuff because she says it makes my hair look better what im concerned about is hair health...what can i do to make it healthier
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Originally posted by TwinkletOes23 TwinkletOes23 wrote:

 Quote : Brillant Brunette serum has cones in it.

 

hmmm never thought of that is it bad for your hair i like it because it give the illusion of shine to my hair is there another type of serum i should use

Yeah, I love the shine also and I have been guilty of using products with cones in them just for that reason.  That's why I make sure to clarify with acv if I've been using them.  The thing about cones (and mineral oil) is that they coat the hair strand and prevent moisturizers from getting through, so in the long run it dries your hair out. 

Like Sistaslick said, you may want to try a different moisturizer with no mineral oil in it.  I buy mine online from Oyinhandmade.  It's called whipped pudding, and I also use olive oil.  They also have a product called Shine and Define that works real well and has no cones but it's not a serum.  I don't think I've been able to find a serum without cones in it.  I think Elucence has one though but I've never tried it.

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