I agree, pick a style that you are comfortable with.
You could do twenty different studies on hairstyle preferences on women and get twenty different results.
The studies are irrelevant anyway. Studies are just academic. You don't live with a study, you live with yourself.
What really matters is what
hairstyle you like on yourself (and if you have one, what hairstyle
your significant other likes on you).
Edited by SanFranBrent - July 10 2006 at 7:15pm
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No matter what you are told, choose a style and length that you like. When you are comfortable with yourself, others will be comfortable with you.
Dave addressed a study on preference that would indicate people prefer longer hair on women. Some years earlier Physique commissioned a study conducted by Yale University on perceptions. Perceptions and preferences are two different subjects.
The Yale study concluded women with short hair are PERCEIVED as more outgoing and confident, while women with long hair are perceived as sexy and affluent, and women with medium hair as intelligent and good-natured. (http://www.physique.com/usa/sn/sn_yale-study2.asp)
It is not unusual for people to dress to shape the perceptions of others, so it wouldn't be unusual for people to choose a hair length or style the same way.
What neither study presents is an accurate capsule of how women with differing hair lengths see themselves. Not all women with long hair are affluent (in my area most women with very long hair are also very poor). Conversely, some women with very long hair are affluent, confident, and successful. There is no study of actual common traits women with various hair lengths or styles may share. Studies thus far are concentrated on the preferences and perceptions of others.
Be comfortable with your choice and people will accept it.
Anne,
Obviously there are sophisticated women who live in major metros who
have both long hair and short hairstyles, and there are short
hairstyles on women as well as long haired women in rural areas. I was
making a generalized statement.
As I stated, it isn't good to generalize too much on this.
Generally though, short, sophisticated hairstyles are worn by many
women in the major metro areas and are considered cosmopolitan and
fashionable.
I am glad you got a chuckle out of my Hooters statement.
It's interesting how this discussion veered off in another direction!
SanFranBrent wrote:
I believe that many men and women associate long hair on women with a "girly" look (unless they wear it up in a bun or an updo), and short, fashionable hairstyles on women as more "professional" or "grown up".
Do you think that hair, just because of its short length is automatically "fashionable"?
If not, what is "unfashionable" short hair?
Many women with short hair do like to follow the latest trends. The only problem is that after awhile they can tend to blend in together in a crowd. I rarely see women with ultra long hair, but when I do, they turn heads in every direction!
I also think that many men and women associate long hair on women as very sophisticated and short hair as something that is simple and mainstream.
Some people also associate long hair on women over the age of 25 with "bimboism". But that usually only applies to women who wear their long hair "puffed up" in the "big hair" style.
I agree with really big, puffed up hair as being rather bimbo-like. I don't care for it at all. Sometimes women with short hair try to do the same even with as little as they have!
As I stated, this is a generalization, but you could take your average 35 year old working woman, or housewife with two kids, who lives in a major metropolitan area, and the chances are she has a short hairstyle. This same 35 year old working woman or housewife with two kids who lives in the rural south or the rural midwest would be more inclined to have long hair or "big hair", than the woman living in Chicago, New York City, San Francisco or some of the other major metropolitan areas. There are of course, many exceptions to this, and it isn't good to generalize too much on this topic.
I think to think the opposite -- the cities have the women with the long, sophisticated and elegant styles and the rural women have the simple, short hair. I do live in the rural midwestern, and I see many, many more women with short, easy hair than with longer locks.
I personally, usually, prefer short hairstyles on women. My ex wife, and most of the women I have been with, have worn short hairstyles.
Maybe this is too personal of a question (and I apologize if it is), but since you're growing your hair long, do you like to see somewhat of a reversal of traditional sex roles?
What attracts me to a woman is not only her hairstyle, but her face, her body, how she dresses, her makeup, earrings and jewelry, her personality, her intelligence, her kindness, her interests, all of that.
I never thought many men cared a great deal about make-up or jewelry on a woman. I think one thing that would scare me about wearing short hair is that I'd always have to wear lots of make-up and jewelry and dress up to really look feminine. In all the pictures I've seen of short haired women, they are always made up. It would be interesting to take away all the accessories and look at women and their hair.
Too big of portions of junk food served by idiotic big breasted, big haired women, serving the food to stupid, obese drunken men.
Kuroneko,
Short hair on women in so-called "mainstream" fashion magazines means
anything from a short pixie to shoulder length hair, or anything in
between, (even though shoulder length hair is actually medium length
hair on modern women these days, if you look at women in everyday
society).
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What are the titles of those magazines? It seems like every time I'm looking for new hairstyle ideas, even if I pick up a specifically short hair mag, like half the pages are full of shoulder-length hair instead :-P . It feels like a waste of money to spend $5-6 on a magazine and get maybe a handful of usable pictures.
anne6000 wrote:
Taking a look at hairstyle magazines in a salon, you'll find that the vast majority of styles and cuts are short.
Of the men I know;
The majority of men under 25 seem to like long hair on women.
The majority of men over 25 seem to like short hairstyles on women.
Most of the men I know have wives or ladyfriends who have short
hairstyles, and they seem to like those short hairstyles on their wives or
ladyfriends. Most of the men I know are over the age of 25, which might explain why they prefer short hairstyles on their women.
But I am sure it varies from one man to another, regardless of the
man's age. Different men like different hair lengths and hairstyles on
beautiful women. Which is very good I believe.
I believe that many men and women associate long hair on women
with a "girly" look (unless they wear it up in a bun or an updo), and short, fashionable hairstyles on women as more
"professional" or "grown up".
I believe that is why the majority of
women over the age of 25 wear short hairstyles, or somewhat short hairstyles.
However this is a generalization. There are obviously many exceptions
to this.
Some people also associate long hair on women over the age of 25 with
"bimboism". But that usually only applies to women who wear their long
hair "puffed up" in the "big hair" style.
I know that many people associate short, chic, fashionable
hairstyles on
women with professionalism, intelligence, urbanity, being
well-educated, and being fashionable. Short hair is more associated
with the modern, liberated,
metropolitan, cosmopolitan woman. Long hair more with the old
fashioned, rural woman.
As I stated, this is a generalization, but you could take your average
35 year old working woman, or housewife with two kids, who lives in a
major metropolitan area, and the chances are she has a short hairstyle.
This same 35 year old working woman or housewife with two kids who
lives in the rural south or the rural midwest would be more inclined to
have long hair or "big hair", than the woman living in Chicago, New
York City, San Francisco or some of the other major metropolitan areas.
There are of course, many exceptions to this, and it isn't good to generalize too much on this topic.
To me it is irrelevant whether long hair or short hair is more
popular in urban or rural areas. People should wear their hair how they
enjoy wearing it,
whether they are 25, 31, 46, or 58 years old!. Just be yourself, and
enjoy wearing your hair how you like to wear it! Geography and age
shouldn't matter. Wear your hair how you like to wear your hair!
I personally, usually, prefer short hairstyles on women. My ex
wife, and most of the women I have been with, have worn short
hairstyles.
I believe though that people are individuals, and that both men and women should wear their hair whatever length they like. But as I stated, I could care less what style is the most popular.
You shouldn't wear
your hair a certain length or style, just because you believe that
length or style is the most popular. You should wear what you enjoy
wearing and what looks good on you.
There
are huge numbers of women these days who wear short, chin length, bob
cuts.
Does that mean that every woman should wear a short bob hairstyle? What
if the woman wants to wear ultra-long hair? Or the woman wants to wear an ultra-short pixie
hairstyle? Plenty of ladies wear those hairstyles also, and look feminine and very
beautiful in those hairstyles!
I also believe that it is important to be yourself. If you are a man or
a woman that loves wearing ultra-long hair, then wear it!
The same thing with short hair, even ultra-short hair on women!
Thank goodness we are living in a free society, in a day and age, where
people, both men and women, can wear their hair however they like.
And don't worry about whether your hairstyle is attractive or not to
others. If you are a woman who wears long hair, many men will be
attracted to you.
If you are a woman who wears a short hairstyle, many men will
also be attracted to you.
There are plenty of men who like both on women.
The same with women regarding men. There are many women who like both short hair, or long hair, on men.
Also, there is much more than hair length, or the style of hair, that makes men and women attracted to each other.
What attracts me to a woman is not only her hairstyle, but her face,
her body, how she dresses, her makeup, earrings and jewelry, her personality, her intelligence, her
kindness, her interests, all of that.
p.s. - The idiots of the world go to Hooters. Junk food, junk women.
Yes, the waitresses there have lovely big boobs, but many (not all) of
the women there are idiots, and the men (many of them) that go there
are often even more idiotic than the women are.
It is a perfect example of the dumbing down of America. Too big of
portions of junk food served by idiotic big breasted, big haired women,
serving the food to stupid, obese drunken men.
For those people with intelligence and class it is much better for a
man to take out his beautiful lady to a nice resturaunt
or dinner club, get some good food and drink, and enjoy a more
intelligent and classy place. There are even places that are very
affordable that have more class, that would be a better place to take a
lady.
And if a guy is out on the town with his buddies, a classy nightclub,
or even certain classy strip joints might be better. Often better
looking women at the nightclubs or strip clubs also.
Merlin, you have a painfully biased sample. The original study had 50 (a moderate sized sample) men and six variations. This would be accepted as scientific. Also, they used the same woman for three of the pictures, making hers a control face - the only variation was her hairstyle.
I studied psychology too.
Hooters is a restaurant where the women are almost exclusively large-breasted and wear tight tops, and according to Merlin's informal study, most have long hair in his local chain. Again, the reason is obvious: most guys prefer long hair on women! I have nothing against the place, but there isn't one near where I live. It is definitely a specialty restaurant, so you're right, it is highly biased.
Excuse me now, please, because I have to run a few errands like everyone else, you know, so I thought I'd take the kids and stop in at my local strip club and then off to lunch at Hooter's. I'll probably run into lots of friends and neighbors there, of course.
In all seriousness, Merlin, I wasn't trying to attack you at all, but what you said simply didn't make sense. If you personally find short haired women more confidant and bold, I can't argue with your personal preferences. What I was at first seeking was the logical argument behind it, and there doesn't appear to be one. Since you prefer short hair on women, it would be logical for you to think those women are in short supply.
Earlier, Merlin, you were seriously questioning the possible bias of the university study but didn't provide any evidence that the university would benefit from finding that men preferred long hair on women. Yet, you included in your informal study (and you wanted to prove that long hair was the norm) you went to places where I think most of us would be surprised if short hair were the norm! That bias for the places you chose was very clear. It would be like my going to a senior citizen's center and claiming that the majority of women have short hair -- of course they do in that particular place. Same with a strip club and Hooter's, only with long hair being the norm. Because......that's what guys prefer, and those places cater predominantly to men.
Taking a look at hairstyle magazines in a salon, you'll find that the vast majority of styles and cuts are short. If most women had long hair, the business side of the magazines would dictate that they cater to the majority of their paying clients and the trends would reflect that long hair and show more long hair styles. Either that, or they're, once again providing pressure for women to cut their hair by not offering many other alternatives than short styles.
Edited by anne6000 - July 07 2006 at 10:50am
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I feel brutally attacked by now. I don't think I have attempted to convince anyone to do anything or think in any way. I simply participated in what I believed to be an open discussion. The woman I spent last night with had long blonde hair, shoulder blade length. I didn't request her to get a haircut or even believe she would look better with short hair. Why does Anne feel the need to attack me and form opinions of me? Maybe she is the one who is insecure and paranoid of her appearance and is trying to convince the world to grow out their hair to be like her. Maybe people who see her honestly think she would look better with shorter hair. Some women do. Notice here, SOME WOMEN, not ALL.
As for the theory that hairstylist are biased due to the almighty $$$, I suppose they never made money off the beehive, perming, coloring,or by selling lots of shampoo, conditioners and other products to maintain long locks. How about brushes and blow dryers? Seems money is made off of long hair just as much as short hair.
She states in her original post,
"However, in practice, think about the vast majority of women you see in public places like grocery stores, doctor's offices, driver's license places, and things like that. What length of hair do the majority of women (at least in the US) have? I've traveled the US from each coast and have been to many places. Completely objectively, I can say that the vast majority of women (not counting teenage girls, who do tend to have longer hair) have hair above collar length. Short hair IS the norm in society. I'm not criticizing that, but I'm just making an observation."
Yet no one else on this thread has agreed with her.
She agrees with my observation on what constitutes long hair. Yet, per the results of my informal survey, long hair clearly is dominate in U.S. Culture. She offers grocery stores as a public place to prove her theory, but the grocery stores I surveyed had the second smallest percentage of short haired women, only behind Hooters. The strip club had the largest percentage of short haired women, completely devastating her theory. I never provided a breakdown of the numbers in the former post, yet Anne6000 assumed Hooters and the strip club were dominated by long haired women. Sorry, Hooters yes, strip club, no.
Ask an accountant, "What is two plus two?", and a good one will tell you, "What do you want it to be?". Pollsters are the same. Sorry, but that is just the way the world works.
As for time wasted to nit-pik and prove a point. Not at all, this is what I do for creative ideas. I post on boards of various topics all over the net. I observe socialogical tendancies. This is why my music and lyrics have meaning and depth. I am not out to prove any point at all, just observe. I only disagreed with Anne6000's opinion that U.S. culture is dominated, coast to coast, with short hairstyles for women. I still disagree, only more confidently due to my research.
This will be my last post on this thread as I don't tend to be argumentative and I feel this thread has definitely turned in that direction. Sorry Anne6000.
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I'm in the UK, I've not seen those car ads and have no desire to either. Oddly, most of our ads focus on the cars, not odd little fetishes.
I also have no idea what Hooters is, but their homepage told me that they do swimsuit pageants, sell dvds and do a calendar of skantily clad women. No, I wouldn't say this was unbiased.
Merlin, you have a painfully biased sample. The original study had 50 (a moderate sized sample) men and six variations. This would be accepted as scientific. Also, they used the same woman for three of the pictures, making hers a control face - the only variation was her hairstyle.
Yes, every woman with long hair is out to get out, Merlin, especially those confidant, bold, educated women with Ph.Ds.
You're really being a bit paranoid now. If she were the owner of a hair products company, I'd be the first to agree with you. But she's a researcher at a university. You don't like the results, and you'll nit-pick with completely inconsequential items to try to talk yourself into believing that the poll is completely invalid.
You seem to be trying to convince everyone (maybe yourself?) that long hair is not attractive and short hair women are these rare and elusive birds that men secretly crave.
I truly like to see a variety of hairstyles on women (not bald, though) and my original question had nothing to do with trying to "prove" that long haired women are somehow more superior (which I don't believe at all) to other women. However, you've kind of turned the discussion into that, unfortunately. There's nothing at all wrong with anyone preferring short hair on women, but I think it's wrong for society to present such propaganda (even misleading) to women to cut it short. Lots of companies and businesses benefit when women cut their hair short, so it's to their benefit to try to talk women into cutting off and keeping off their long hair.
Is it conceivable that the directors of the FSU-Panama City study wanted an outcome that "proved" men prefer long dark hair?
Nearly anything in life is conceivable, and it's a good question. Was this study funded by someone who has a vested interested in short hair products? Healthy skepticism is very good, and I do it myself. However, what if the results had gone the other way? You have no basis for your premise other than it's what you wish to believe. When tobacco companies conduct studies on the dangers of tobacco, obviously the outcome directly affects the company. If Clairol does a study on women and hair color, they have a vested interest in the outcome. What vested interest does a university have in what length of hair men prefer on women?
Witness, TV commercial for Ban Rollon, woman getting hair cut shorter and shorter while verbally saying, "nervous is getting your hair cut...and cut...and cut..". If this is not a bold move, why be nervous?
Because she doesn't sound very confident of what she's doing. Maybe she's nervous because she feels pressured into the decision, like I have felt. If I wanted my hair cut short, then I'd sit there and be confident and happy about the hair falling, not nervous! I don't watch tv, so I'm not familiar with the ad, but it sounds like yet another ploy to suggest that women cut their hair short. It sounds worse than I thought it was.
Act II, Ford commercial with lady shaving her head. The tagline Ford uses(or their marketing agent). BOLD. Can all these marketing giants be wrong?
Is it "conceivable" the makers of the commercials all have hair fetishes and are trying to convince women to cut off all their hair so that they could make money from all the products and services that bald and short haired women bring?
Literally getting rid of all the hair is different from simply having a preference for short hair. Short or long hairstyles only have to do with length. Being bald by choice is rather radical. It sounds like someone is making a political or other extreme statement or has a fear of having any hair at all.
Personally, I consider hair past the shoulders as long, hair close to shoulder length as medium and hair off the shoulder as short.
Me, too. On that, we agree!
My assumption of your definition of Long=Mid Back and Below
Could you point out where I say that? Perhaps part of the problem is that you're reading what isn't there.
Using my definition, and your suggestion, I conducted a study(not scientific albeit) over the last week. I visited two grocery stores, two malls, one strip club, three Hooters restaurants and one baseball game with my son.
A strip club and a Hooter's restaurant -- two places that cater to what men like sexually. No wonder you found lots of long-haired women! It's what guys prefer.
I've never been to a strip club or Hooters, and that will be true for many people. That's kind of like going to a high school, where I will concur that probably most females (not staff) have long hair. When I say society, I mean places that aren't exclusive for special audiences. Places like I mentioned that nearly everyone visits or places that have a good cross-mix of society: grocery stores, doctor's or dentist's offices, banks, staff of female teachers, and places that don't revolve around men's sexual fantasies, overt or not. You really are going out of your way to try to prove something you cannot.
However, why aren't there more short haired girls in strip clubs and Hooters? Because business owners want to provide what the customer wants, and if guys prefer long hair, then these places will cater to what most guys like: long hair on women. If more guys did prefer short hair on women, then it would make business sense that strip clubs and Hooter's restuarants would cater to whatever the prevailing preference is. Currently, it is a preference of long hair on women.
However, your informal poll that found lots of long hair in sexally-oriented businesses concurs perfectly with the study that Dave mentioned.
To me, a woman of beauty is petite, blonde (usually short) with color highlights, tasteful tattoos, body piercings (not facial) and one killer-kick butt/take no prisoner attitude.
It sounds like your personal preference is a tough little dominatrix biker babe. Variety is what makes the world go round.
Edited by anne6000 - July 06 2006 at 6:48pm
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She is the researcher that conducted the study that Dave refers to above. Maybe she was looking for a particular conclusion when she conducted her research. Her conclusion as read from the link that Dave provided was that women and men prefer women with long dark hair.
Is it coincidence that she has long dark hair??? Decide for yourself after checking out her picture.
The University study referred to earlier is flawed in multiple ways as I am sure Dave researched and knows. Selecting 50 men from a controlled group is not scientific. Having only 6 choices of hair style is also not scientific. This study only supports my argument to ignore polls. Not all women are attractive with short hair. I think we all can agree on this. Courtney Thorne-Smith is a perfect example of someone whom should never again sport short hair. Is it conceivable that the directors of the FSU-Panama City study wanted an outcome that "proved" men prefer long dark hair? Maybe. One way of doing this is to have pictures of a very unbecoming lady sporting various hairstyles and then having attractive women with long hairstyles, while asking men for their preference. I spent 3 years studying Psychology, Sociology, and Anthropology before leaving college behind to focus on music. I know a thing or two about polls. Enough on that subject.
And yes Dave, I disagree with all polls. See above for rationale.
Now to use a little anthropology education. During the course of human evolution, perceptions as to attractive, healthiness and fertility have changed with culture. That's right...CULTURE. Some cultures over time held that overweight women and men were more attractive, as this meant they could afford food. Other cultures including Europe in the Middle Ages held that only the fairest of skin was a sign of health. In the South Pacific, women with facial tatoos are considered a thing of beauty. Ancient Egypt felt men and women with no hair at all were the most attractive. It is a cultural evolution that brings us today to believe women with long hair, an hourglass figure and a healthy tan are the most beautiful. Please check out beauty pagents. Virtually all women have long locks and all have that "Barbie Doll" figure.
As for confidence, it is my opinion, that women with short hair are bold and confident. This is a general statement and my general belief. It is shared by the marketing companies of big business. Witness, TV commercial for Ban Rollon, woman getting hair cut shorter and shorter while verbally saying, "nervous is getting your hair cut...and cut...and cut..". If this is not a bold move, why be nervous? Act II, Ford commercial with lady shaving her head. The tagline Ford uses(or their marketing agent). BOLD. Can all these marketing giants be wrong? Possibly, if they used polls to make these judgements.
To Anne6000, I think we have different understandings of short or long hair. If long is defined as mid-back or longer and short is everything else, I concur with you that society currently prefers short hair. Personally, I consider hair past the shoulders as long, hair close to shoulder length as medium and hair off the shoulder as short. Using my definition, and your suggestion, I conducted a study(not scientific albeit) over the last week. I visited two grocery stores, two malls, one strip club, three Hooters restaurants and one baseball game with my son. I strived to estimate the ages of those counted to only include women between 20-50, as you stated most teenage girls prefer long hair. This study covered one small town, Charleston, SC and Jacksonville, FL. Conclusions with my definitions:
64% Long(7% Mid-Back or Below)
25% Medium
11% Short(3% Short Crop)
My assumption of your definition of Long=Mid Back and Below:
93% Short
7% Long
We both win. Additionally, I have new material and a great video concept. Keep watching FUSE and you just might find out the secrets of Merlin.
P.S. To me, a woman of beauty is petite, blonde (usually short) with color highlights, tasteful tattoos, body piercings (not facial) and one killer-kick butt/take no prisoner attitude. One confident to do what she wants and ask no one for their opinion. Bra size doesn't matter, but being a compassionate caring mother to my kid does.
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The statement was largely anecdotal, based on women I've spoken to, both online and off. Unfortunately, that means I have no studies on hand to cite. I'm sure many other short-haired women have been approached by long-haired women who said they liked short hair but didn't think their boyfriends/husbands would approve, or didn't think they could get dates that way.
I must've been living around a lot of unobservant males all my life, then ^_^; . In my experience, it's been women who notice and comment at even the slightest hair change. By the time most males notice I've made one hair change, I'm already pretty much over that style and ready to move on to the next!
DaveDecker wrote:
Kuroneko wrote:
A lot of women keep their hair long because they think that's what men are attracted to.
How do you know this to be true? You state it as fact, without any support. I rather believe most of the women wearing their hair long have it long because they like it, and prefer it to short... but then notice how I've stated this -- as an opinion.
Kuroneko wrote:
In all honesty, though, aside from the guys who are specifically hair fans, most guys probably don't care what a woman's hair looks like. Most of them won't notice of care much if their woman changes her hair, because men just aren't societally trained to notice that kind of thing. It's just like how a guy won't notice if a woman is wearing a new blouse-- males are societally trained not to care about anything fashion-related.
Some people think of hair (and treat it thusly) primarily as fashion. No doubt this perception has been counseled by fashion enterprises who seek to exploit this perception for their own gain.
My opinion: Innately for men, however, women's hair is viewed as an object of beauty, so while nearly all men would fail to notice a woman's new shoes or whatever, they're far more likely to notice changes women make to their hair.
[edited first quote to provide proper context to my comment]
Here's a quote from Lem0605 to a post entitled "Should I go this short?" in the short hair forum:
GO SHORT!! It's the thing to do for the summer.. look at all of the celebs going short.
So, is the confident woman doing what she wants or going short because it's the thing to do for the summer and all the celebs are going short?
That's exactly the kind of comments that many long-haired people get. When was the last time someone asked how long she should grow her hair and received the reply, "GO LONG!! It's the thing to do for winter.. look at all the celebs going long."?
I can only conclude that the mere act of cutting hair short has no more or less to do with confident and independence than a woman growing her hair long against the norms of society.
That's a great point. Think about teeth. Before modern dentistry, people who tended to have whiter, healthier teeth (and all of them!) were younger people. Therefore, good teeth were a sign of not just youth, but good health. Even today, if you look at the hair of people in their 80s, it can (but is not always the case of course) be very thin and just won't grow much. Therefore, a woman with thick, long hair isn't just a sign of beauty but also of health. Same with figures, being extremely overweight or underweight is not healthy, so those figures aren't just seen in terms of beauty but are seen in terms of health. I'll be the first to argue that the Kate Moss chain-smoking figures are not only unhealthy, but not very attractive, and fortunately, I've never known a man who would prefer a skinny, unhealthy woman over a healthy woman with toned muscles and a healthy level of fat.
I just see confidence and independence as having the courage to do what you want. I know many confident and independent women with long hair. I don't see their decision to have long hair as a sign of weakness.
Exactly! Stylists generally encourage us to cut off our hair. Magazine articles that talk about new hairstyles almost always talk about cutting it off. It's the norm. And, very sad to say, I nearly caved into pressure myself and cut my hair short. However, the decision would have been the opposite of independent and confident. I would have just been following the crowd. So many articles that talk about hair rarely talk about growing it longer. They talk about "getting rid of the long hair." It seems to me that independent and confident is about going against society.
In the 1920s, I would argue that the more confident and independent women cut their hair short. But then, short hair became the norm in almost every decade, bar the 1960s. (Maybe the word "short" should be defined. If someone means that short hair is like a guy's butch cut with almost nothing to comb, then yes, the majority of women don't have such severe styles.)
Cutting the hair is physically very easy and can happen in a matter of minutes. To grow hair longer takes a lot of time and patience. (I'm not talking about the mental decision to cut or grow, only the physical action) It just seems to me that a confident woman is one who not only goes against the pressures of society but also one who takes the dedication and patience it requires to cut hair short. I've read so many times that women who want to grow their hair just get so frustrated at the in-between styles that they just end up cutting it off. I'm not criticizing that decision at all, but how that makes a woman more confident and independent is really the root of my question. The statement seems a bit hypocritical since it's long hair that defies the rules of society. For every Portia deRossi (sp?) or Jane Seymour, there are millions of Alyssa Milanos and Sharon Stones (with regard to hair length).
The statement that short haired women are more confident and independent just seems to be propaganda since I can find no supporting evidence at all and when, in fact, long hair, especially very long hair, in western society is in the minority. I think we should encourage everyone, both male and female, to wear their hair in whatever style and length THEY want.
Now, for guys with long hair, no question whatsoever. Society says short hair for guys, so someone like Dave Decker is definitely going against the grain! If he weren't confident of his decision, he'd be standing in line at the barber shop just like most guys. (And I'm not trying to insult guys with short hair. I love a variety of styles on both men and women. ) What I really rebel against is others pressuring you to do what they think you should do. If I wanted short hair and others were pressuring me to grow it long (which rarely happens; I even asked about it on the short hair forum), I'd be just as indignant!
I just wanted to say that although a lot of plastic surgery isn't needed it does serve a purpose that may not be seen at first glance.
I was born with a facial defect called cleft lip and cleft palate. My parents did not have the kind of money it would have taken to fix this. They found a doctor who told them "Don't worry about it. I make my money off of old ladies."
I'm just giving the quote that my mom told me he said. No offense meant to anyone who considers themself old.
There are many doctors who do similar things. Many of them travel to other countries to perform plastic surgery on people who have no access to surgery.
Unfortunately my doctor died in a plane crash in the late 80's. Meaning it's unfortunate that he's no longer around to help others.
Of course plastic surgery does not affect fertility at all. But such surgery done to appear more "average" (closer to normal - i.e., beautiful) is done to give the appearance of better health (and indirectly, fertility).
That said, I'm not a fan of plastic surgery, unless it is used to correct something obviously amiss. Unfortunately these days, it seems, nearly all plastic surgery is not warranted (IMHO).
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