WHY ?

Points well taken by both of you folks.

Myself, I don't have a hair cutting fetish.

And I could care less about tattoos on women one way or the other. I just mentioned tattoos as an example of something that wasn't often acceptable on women years ago, but now it is more acceptable.

I just like short hairstyles on women. There are many types of short hairstyles I like on beautiful women.

It seems to me that some of the people that post here on this board might have a hair cutting fetish, but that doesn't bother me. You expect that on a short hair board, just as many people have a long hair fetish on long hair boards.
As long as they are not obnoxious or rude to people about it, who cares?
It seems to me that most of the people who post on these boards are fairly respectful to others and generally helpful and complimentary.

Some people are better than others at giving hairstyle advice.
Not everyone says on this board, all of the time, to do things like buzz the nape, or get a short angled bob cut, or shave your head, or get it cut even shorter than you have it if it is already very short hair.
There are a variety of responses, (although generally people here on this board do encourage women to try short hairstyles, which is to be expected, since both the men and the women here on these boards are mostly short hair lovers on women).
If anyone believes this board is like a fetish board, then you have never been on a fetish board. I assure you, it is very different than this type of board.

I do sometimes encourage a woman to cut her hair short if she asks about that.
I usually compliment a woman if she posts a photo of herself in  her new short hairstyle if I like the hairstyle.
I usually leave it at that, unless she asks if she could go shorter with her hairstyle, and then, if I believe she could, which I often do, I tell her that.


Edited by SanFranBrent - July 11 2006 at 1:57am

What case Hal? You never had a case!

At any rate, I am glad you appreciate my wisdom.

Now if I could only get everyone to agree with me, how much better the world would be, I am sure of that!

Carol,
Of course it is wrong for a man to force a woman to get a certain hairstyle! I would never do that!

I agree with you that most people are harmless with their fetishes.

All people have fashion fetishes of one sort or another. If you don't have some type of fetish or strong preferences you aren't human. Fetishes are natural and contribute to human sexuality and human sensuality.

In my first marriage, my wife and I were gradually growing apart, and we were having intimacy less often. At that time she was wearing a drab plain shoulder length hairstyle, and wasn't really dolling herself up very often either.
But she knew I loved short hairstyles on women. I never forced it on her, or even told her to get a shorter hairstyle, but she knew by the comments I made about women, that I appreciated short hairdos on women.
One day I came home, and my wife had gone to the beauty salon and gotten her shoulder length hair cut off into an adorable short pixie hairstyle, and she was all dolled up in a sexy short dress, with makeup and long dangle earrings on, and did she ever look good! Believe me, we had our fun that evening!
It was just what our marriage needed to spice it up.
Within a year, our first child was born, my oldest daughter who is these days in her teen years.

It is good for couples to know what pleases each other, what preferences or fetishes that they have.
I can assure you, it works, it worked brilliantly for us.
We ended up having three kids.
We eventually got divorced, but it had nothing to do with hairstyles, we just grew apart and went our own ways.
I still see my ex-wife though on the weekends when I see my kids. We have a congenial relationship.

In most societies, fetishes are accepted, and are part of human sensuality and human sexuality.
It is mostly in the traditional American-Anglo-Saxon culture, that fetishes are frowned upon and considered "abnormal". This comes out of the American-Anglo-Saxon, Puritan, Victorian tradition of being uptight about sexuality, and sexual expression.
Just as for years in Anglo culture, sex was supposed to be limited to the missionary position between married couples.
And fetishes were associated with other cultures that Anglos felt superior to, or that Anglos thought were "less civilized" or "less moral", like the Latins, French, Africans, etc..
This attitude toward fetishes unfortunately still prevails in some reactionary, Victorian sections of the American public.
Which might also explain why America has a higher rate of people going to psychiatrists than most other societies, and also has a disproprtionate percentage of Christians who turn to radical, fundamentalist, Victorian sects of Christianity than most other Christian countries.
Americans, as a reaction to this sexual uptightness, also visit porn sites more often than people in most other countries. There is more porn produced in American than any other country, by far.
Only when Americans get past this oppressive, Victorian age, sexual mores, will they really be as healthy as they should sexually.
There is progress however. I believe Americans are gradually breaking down Puritan, Victorian era, sexual oppression and that many American couples are becoming sexually healthier in their marriages and relationships.

Probably the only place more uptight about human sexuality, human "fetishes", etc. than the United States is, is the Muslim World, which is incredibly oppressive in regards to sexuality and sexual expression, at least amongst Muslim fundamentalists, who are the same folks who oppress women, and sometimes gravitate into religious and political fanaticism.
Women in particular, (both in traditional Anglo-Saxon, Victorian era tradition, and certainly amongst the fanatical, misognistic, Muslim fundamentalists), are supposed to be almost non-sexual creatures, which is very strange for adults, male or female.




Edited by SanFranBrent - July 11 2006 at 9:22pm

You are being too defensive Anne. Relax lovely lady. I like your posts, but you get too defensive sometimes Anne.

First of all, not everyone is saying that. They are saying lots of things, including discussion of short hairstyles in various ways. You are being selective in what you are reading, and in your interpetation in what people are writing on this short haired board. Many women have recieved good advice on this short haired board regarding short hairstyles. Some of them have reported back to us on how much they like their short hairstyles. Some of these ladies have even shown us photos of themselves in their new short hairstyles.

Secondly there is nothing "creepy" about hairstyle preferences, or enthusiasm for certain hairstyles, including short and ultra-short hairstyles on women.
If you believe the people here are creepy, you should go over on the long haired board and read how they gush over long hair. Talk about fetishes! It makes this board look tame in comparison.
If we were to be prohibited from complimenting short hairstyles on women, or encouraging young ladies to wear cute, adorable short hairstyles, then you might as well shut this board down, since the fun and enjoyment of women wearing short hair is the encouragement and appreciation they get from other people who appreciate them in attractive short hairstyles. And many, if not most of the women, who write on this short hair board either already have short hair, or are looking to wear a short hairstyle. That is the reason for this board.
The short hair board = short hairstyles.
The long hair board = long hairstyles.
You get it now dear lady?

Thirdly, everything we write can't be with 12 or 13 year olds in mind.
I have heard this argument before on messageboards, that every little thing we say has to be "G" rated.
That is almost impossible considering the vast majority of people who read and write on this website are in their late teens or are adults. It would make for pretty uninteresting conversations if we all had to converse like 12 year olds.
And I am sensitive on what I write, I have three kids myself. That is why I don't use overtly sexual language, swear words, or ethnic or religious slurs, etc.. And I try and be respectful to people, whether or not I agree with them.
But I do speak on grown-up topics on occasion, in what I believe is a way that isn't destuctive to children.

I do protect my kids, as does my ex-wife, but I don't overly protect them. They are going to learn that different people like different hairstyles, even extreme hairstyles. That won't destroy the kids any.
It could be worse. The kids in Baghdad are living in homes without electricity, dodging bombs and bullets.
A 13 year old finding out that some men like short or even ultra-short hair on women, isn't all that destructive. That kid's own mom might wear short or ultra-short hair, as many women do,( including the woman I am currently seeing, and my ex wife, who is a mother of three healthy, well-adjusted children).

What is disturbing Anne is not how people write on this board. They have been writing like this for the three years I have been frequenting this website, without much of a problem.
What is disturbing is how you, since you have come on the boards, you seem so upset by what some people are writing.
You worry a little too much lovely lady.

As Kurineko has pointed out on this board, there is a double standard regarding the long haired board and the short haired board on this Hair Boutique website.
Time and again on the long haired board, people say over and over again how much they love long hair, and how everyone on the board should grow long hair, and they are far more enthusiastic and far more "fetishist" about long hair than anyone is here about short hairstyles.
The guy who runs the long haired board has long hair almost to his ankles. Now that is an extreme!!! (Not that it is bad for a man to have hair that long, that is cool if someone wants to grow their hair that long, but it is very extreme).
Yet the folks on the long hair board, no matter how extreme their hair is, or how "fetishistic" they get in their enthusiam for long hair on men or women, get a free pass, and they are not accused of being "fetishist", even though they profess more of a long haired fetish on women, than most of us do regarding a short hair fetish on women.

I contend that it is the " Victorian/puritans", who are always looking for " hairstyle fetishists", who are the ones who have the hangup, not the people who write on this board.
We were all getting along fine on this short hair board, and many different people wrote in, with many different ideas about short hairstyles.

I read many posts that I don't like Anne. If you are bothered by a particular post, ignore it. I do this one this website and other websites. That's what grown ups do. We ignore it.
But please don't come here on these boards and write to myself and others who have been writing on this website for several years, (and for the most part getting along well with people), and insinuate that we are "creepy fetishists". We aren't. We are as "normal" as you are Anne.
I work. I am fairly well educated. I am middle class. I don't take drugs, I am responsible. I have three great kids. I date nice women. I am usually nice to people. I pay my taxes. I like sports. I like music. I am a fairly normal guy.
I just happen to like short hairstyles on women. I have always liked that and it hasn't hurt me any, on the contrary, I have had a wonderful time with short haired ladies.
It hasn't hurt anyone else either. If anything it is postive.
And adorable short haired women are certainly not creepy. On the contrary, they are beautiful!


Edited by SanFranBrent - July 12 2006 at 12:54am

Kuroneko,
You are one of the people that makes this website work. You contribute good posts.
So wear your hair however you like dear lady, in any silly color you like!


Edited by SanFranBrent - July 12 2006 at 1:02am

Interesting thread.

Sorry I lost everyone when people starting writing about some  Elephant thing.

Dark Helmet,
The "elephant in the room" expression means something that people are not discussing on the boards but is there, in this case sex, or sexual "fetishes" (at least some people believe that is a problem. I don't. As Carol mentioned, fashion by nature is sexual and sensual as well as being beautification and an artistic expression ).

You mentioned Dark Helmet, the act of haircutting as a type of "fetish".
What about those of us who have no particular fetish for cutting women's hair, we just like short hairstyles on women, because we believe that women look better that way?
How is that any different than someone liking women with long hair because they believe women look better that way?
So there is a double standard by some people in this regard.

There is also a double standard by some people regarding men with long hair, as well as women with short hair.
But for decades now, since the "hippie days" of the 1960s, there have been men with long hair. When I was a kid growing up I saw long haired men all over the place.
I also saw many short haired women.
And for even many more decades in western society there have been women with short hair.
Look at photos of women in the 1920s, with those ultra-short bob cuts they wore.
There has continuously, for nearly a century, been women in the western world wearing short or ultra-short hairstyles.

So after all these many decades of many long haired men, and even many more short haired women, why do some people still regard it as a "fetish" if a woman prefers a man with long hair, or a man prefers a woman with short hair?
Obviously it isn't the hair length that determines whether a man is masculine, or a woman is feminine.
Some of the sexiest, most feminine, most beautiful, most adorable women I have ever seen, wear their hair in ultra-short hairstyles! I love the look, feel, and sensuality of a beautiful, feminine woman with an adorable short hairstyle.

That is one of the reasons I stated that this idea of long haired women and short haired men, is a "left over" fashion ideals from the Victorian age of the 1800s.
There have been many times throughout human history in various cultures, that men have had long hair, women short hair, or visa versa.

We are in an age these days in the western world where men can wear long or short hair, and women can wear long or short hair. Knowing this, to refer to anyone's preference as a "fetish" indicates the stupidity of the person accusing someone of having a "fetish".
As I stated in a previous post, what is considered a "fetish" fashion style, a few years later might be considered a relatively "mainstream" fashion style. That is the nature of style and fashion. It would be pretty boring if it never changed. I like some of the fashion changes better than others. But I am sure that is true with everyone. We all have the traditional classic styles we like, and the more modern styles that we like.

I enjoy the freedom people have these days, both men and women, to wear their hair either long or in a short hairstyle.


Edited by SanFranBrent - July 12 2006 at 3:22am

I don't know that hairstyles and fashion are always about sex or sexuality.  I work for a large corporation and have for the last 21 years.  Most of the people who work there are trying (breaking their necks actually) to get ahead and their clothing and hairstyles are a direct reflection of that.  Any hint of sexy is definitely NOT what you would want to do to get ahead in that place.  It is much more conforming to the culture to look polished, professional, and conservative.  That is not for everyone, of course, but for those who want that world sexy is the absolute last thing they would ever do.   And there is nothing wrong with that.  It is a conscious choice that some people make to get what they want.