QuoteReplyTopic: WHY ? Posted: July 06 2006 at 9:30pm
I have a question, Why do some ladies have no fear of loosing their long locks?I had a client and a friend come into the shop today. She is a standard bob style. Her friend wanted a short cliiper cut. she had some of the most thickest straightest hair I have ever seen. length was just about shoulder length. Of course my question is why do you want it cut and are you sure? Her reason was " I am sick of it and just want it gone" . I just wonder as a barber / stylist why... I do cut a lot of teenage and mid- age ladies styles both short and long. One of the big fads coming back is the nape being cliipped short with longer hair over it so when the hair is pulled up in a pony tail the clipperd nape is exposed. Do you see this in other area's of the USA?
I often see young women and middle aged women with short hair, even
ultra-short hair.
It isn't a problem these days for a woman to wear
very short hair. And some women look adorable in ultra-short hairstyles.
It has been that way for decades really, going back to the short
permed bob cuts of the 1920s, up to the modern pixies and other
very short hairstyles of today in the 2000s.
I am in my 40s, and my entire life I have seen many women with short
hair, including my ex-wife, and the woman I am dating these days.
So why would it surprise you that some women like to wear short hair?
Just as some men like wearing long hair, or a beard, or earrings, or
whatever.
Different people have different styles.
Some women like to wear pantsuits, others like to wear skirts or
dresses.
Some women wear a nosestud in their pierced nostril, others
don't wear nose jewelry. Some women have gotten tattoos, others don't have tattoos. It is just fashion. It is
good that different people like different styles. It would be boring if
everyone had the same hair length, or hairstyle.
I have a question, Why do some ladies have no fear of loosing their long locks?
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question. Why do some ladies have no fear of all the time it takes to grow their hair long?
As Brent said, it's simply a matter of taste. Short hair (or long hair) isn't "good" or "bad." It's like different clothing styles. Is a long skirt "better" than a short skirt?
Her friend wanted a short cliiper cut.
I understand that many women like their hair cut short. However, why does it matter if the hair is cut with clippers or with scissors? Is a clipper cut like a crewcut? You sure do like to talk about using clippers on a woman's head!
One of the big fads coming back is the nape being cliipped short with longer hair over it so when the hair is pulled up in a pony tail the clipperd nape is exposed. Do you see this in other area's of the USA?
I haven't personally seen this, but I've seen it on the internet. It's interesting to see the drastic difference between ultra short and long. I wouldn't personally choose this, but it's a unique look!
I have to agree with Anne and Brent here... There are an infinite number of reasons people have style preferences, perceptions, fears, desires, etc. It's part of the human psyche. Everyone is different. No one will ever figure it out. It just is...
I also noticed you like talking about clippering women's hair and find a way to assert "as a barber / stylist" in almost every message you post. It seems a little odd to me. Are you a barber that gets pleasure from buzzing women's hair with a clipper? You sure like to talk about it a lot.
In my opinion, the look you get from clipper-cutting hair is too harsh (read butch) for most women. Using a clipper with a guide or length-specific blade (like a 3.5) follows the contour of the head too closely. It does not permit you to compensate for irregular growth patterns or bone structure. This is mitigated, to a degree, using a clipper-over-comb technique. Still, it does not offer as much control as a you get by employing a number of techniques using a variety of shears. You can cut hair every bit as short with shears but provide a cut tailored specifically to your client's hair type/texture. It just takes a little more time and skill than does plowing a clipper up the nape. If that's what the client desires, great. I think most women prefer the softer look, however.
I have not personally observed the fad of which you speak. It may have to do with demographics. I have seen styles trending a bit shorter and with more structure recently rather than the long, flat-ironed look with streaky highlights and low-lights that has been popular for a long time now (too long IMO). Bobs, more layers, graduation and texture are being employed. Clients have stopped "growing their hair out" and are willing to experiment with a variety of looks again. I like the shorter or medium-length styles more.
Hi, I prefer my hair, short over long, because for me it's easier to style. I don't have to blow dry my hair (just towel dry). I bleach my own hair, (and cut it also). So having short hair, I don't get split ends from bleaching.(well atleast you can't see them) haha And plus I just like the look of short/spiked hair!
which seems to have continued to this post. It is simply an observation made by a trained/qualified hair cutter. Some, and I would venture to say most, women are very nervous when cutting their long hair short; his observation was that some women don't show this nervousness and was simply wondering why. His later comment about undercuts is simply just another observation; he is curious and just wants to find out if anyone has noticed this or if it is just happening in his local area.
For Mike, I haven't a clue as to why some women show no fear when getting their long hair cut short. I would venture a guess here and say that it was a deliberate and calculated decision; they understand the consequences (lots of hair on the floor and not on their head) and welcome the change. Those that have made the change and were very nervous about it probably can't wait to have it long again as they were probably not quite ready for the change. As for the undercut thing, ten years ago I lived on the North Carolina coast; I saw numerous undercuts but by no means was it the norm; in fact, it was a rarity. I saw variations from just an inch up from the hairline to all the way to the top of the ears. Personally, I like the look, especially when in a ponytail. It gives the nape a much cleaner look. Here in Texas, I have not seen an undercut in a very long time.
Just a thought here, but maybe there should be two forums to better serve the needs of people here. One would be about short hair (how to style and take care of it and discuss different styles, similar to the long hair board) and another one could be about haircutting, which is what a lot of people like mikecuts and Brent and others seem to prefer to discuss. That way, they could talk about cutting and buzzing women all they wanted because that would be the focus of the forum!
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(a) Having a hair fetish does not necessarily mean you like de-feminizing women or you like forced haircuts.
(b) Just coz you have a hair fetish doesn't mean you can't be interested in hairstyles in a 'normal' way too. (It's like saying someone with a foot fetish can't buy shoes!)
(c) Having a fetish is not a bad thing in itself - obviously it depends on how you conduct yourself with it. Unwillingly forcing it on others is bad, but simply having isn't nor should anyone be made to feel bad about it.
(d) You can like extreme short cuts without having a fetish.
So give people a break, we're are all entitled to our own opinions and feelings and simply suggesting someone used clippers to cut their hair does not make that person a fetishist.
As a 10-year old a friend of my had a buzzed nape (by choice) because it was fashionable - I doubt at 10 that she had any kind of fetish.
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Anne, and Hawg,
I don't believe another board for short hairstyles is really necessary.
Most people on this board write good and interesting things about short
hairstyles.
Actually I am much more interested in short hairstyles on ladies than I
am on cutting hair. I don't have a cutting hair fetish, and I am not
interested in a board like that.
We are just discussing short hairstyles here on this board. Some people
(usually not myself) sometimes mention hair cutting also.
I personally like many short hairstyles on women ranging from shaved
heads, to buzzcuts, to short pixies, to chin length bob cuts, to
shoulder length bob cuts. I like varying styles and lengths of short hairstyles on
beautiful women.
I also agree with what Skydancer wrote.
My only criticism of what Claude wrote is that he shouldn't jump to
conclusions about people he doesn't really know, or be
condescending to others on the boards.
Edited by SanFranBrent - July 08 2006 at 8:39pm
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I just hate the way people are so quick to pounce on any short hair fans as freaks with weird fetishes, who need professional help, but not very often are such charges levelled against the long-hair fans of the boards -_- . It's very much a double standard, I think.
Anyway, in answer to the original question. . . The women who are frightened about cutting their hair are usually the ones who define themselves by their hair. They might just have old-fashioned ideas of gender roles and think only long-haired women are feminine or attractive. Or they might just have had long hair their whole lives and be nervous about what life will be like without it. If I were a stylist, I would definitely rather see a woman who's calm and sure in her decision, and confident in who she is as a person. I would want a client to feel happy with my work and not have any regrets. However, I wouldn't let that turn me into a coward who's afraid to make any major changes on anyone, the way I've seen with a lot of stylists. Hair, at least for me, is about being creative and trying new things. You can't do that if you're living in constant fear of your client's next mood swing.
I agree Kuroneko. There is a double standard concerning those who
appreciate short hairstyles on women, and those who prefer long
hairstyles on women. There are just as many long haired fetish websites
as there is short haired fetish websites.
And short haired women are just as feminine and sexy as longhaired women, sometimes even more so.
This double standard comes out of a bigoted, very conservative,
traditional oppressive orthodoxy that in some parts of the country
people still have, that "long hair on women fetish" is not a fetish,
but someone who appreciates short hairstyles on women has some sort of
fetish that the long haired appreciator doesn't, etc...
Even though the majority of women over 25 years old wear short or
fairly short hair, and there are many men who wear long hair, there are
still some backwards people that associate long hair with females.
This is slowly fading though, as women (and men) become more liberated in their hairstyle choices.
The fashion industry and the big cities always lead the way on fashion.
In the fashion industry and in the major metropolitan areas, women
these days wear their hair however they like, from ultra-short
hairstyles to long hair to everything in between. There are women
fashion models with shaved heads, short pixies, and short bob
hairstyles. Women wear dresses and skirts like they always did
(thankfully so, I love feminine dresses and skirts on women) but they
also wear jeans and pantsuits.
The modern woman is pretty liberated and has a greater selection of
hairstyle and clothing fashions than did women one hundred years ago.
Thankfully. And modern women are often very sexy and very feminine, as feminine and beautiful as they ever were, if not more so.
how one word caused all this. I do appreciate the remarks. As for a barber/stylist its known as school, school school>>>>>>>>>. Let me just say this I have no fettish off cutting and or buzzing I just do my job and do it well. Do whats asked of you and bring a smile by making the inner self feel good. Is that what life is all about? We are here to learn not judge. I do feel Dave & Karen are doing a great job. Lets keep thsi a short hair forum for athers to learn from give advice when asked and keep up the great work.Kuroneko. Thanks for your answer bery well put
I can spot a couple of things that could be construed (or misconstrued) that way.
What might be a problem to some people might not be to others though. So who cares?
I just hate the way people are so quick to pounce on any short hair fans as freaks with weird fetishes, who need professional help, but not very often are such charges levelled against the long-hair fans of the boards -_- . It's very much a double standard, I think.
I would agree Kuroneko, but if you'll read the previous posts, it isn't a simple liking of shorter hair. It's all the talking of buzzing women down like it's a sport and the automatic responses that don't seem to take each individual into account. There is a constant underlying theme from some individuals (not you) that every short haircut on a woman could be even shorter and that every short haircut is automatically the greatest thing she could ever do.
It's like someone looking at photographs and paintings and saying that every one is a masterpiece. After awhile, that opinion seems rather worthless.
The women who are frightened about cutting their hair are usually the ones who define themselves by their hair.
I've never known anyone who was actually frightened! I think women with long hair simply prefer their hair long just like women with short hair prefer their short hair and aren't "frightened" to grow it.
Anne,
This is the short hairstyle board. Just about everyone that writes on
these boards, men and women alike, like many different short hairstyles
on women; from shaved heads, to short crops, to short pixies, to chin
length bobs, etc..
A short hairstyle on many women, not all women, IS the best hairstyle
for many of them! Many times I have seen a woman with a plain, drab
shoulder length or even longer hairstyle, go to a short bob
hairstyle or short pixie hairstyle and look much better. More
beautiful, fashionable, and feminine.
As far as buzzing or shaving their heads, the bald look is just one
short style on a woman. There is various short hairstyles on women that can look good on ladies, from short bob styles,
to short pixies, etc..
Brent... One of the very first topics it "This is Not An Fetish board". Those who think very one needs a "very short Pixie", an "inverted bob, "buzzed nape" or "clipper cut" really flirt with the line of like and fetish.
Hal, those are hairstyles, amongst other hairstyles. It doesn't
necessarily have anything to do with a fetish.
And who is to say it is
wrong to like those hairstyles?, (as obviously many of the men and women
on these boards do).
For that matter, is it wrong to have fashion
fetishes or preferences?,( as all people do).
We are getting into the philisophical with statements like that. Into subjective areas.
As I stated before in one of my posts, one person's definition of a fetish is another person's
defintion of an acceptable hairstyle. What one person considers weird,
another person considers pleasurable and a nice fashion style.
To me a weird fetish hairstyle is short, blue colored, spiky hair. That
would be a weird, fetish hairstyle to me, I wouldn't want
my lady or my daughter wearing it.
However an ultra-short pixie on a woman
is perfectly acceptable to me, whether anyone believes it a fetish or
not. But that is just my definition of what
is and isn't acceptable. Others many disagree with me.
There is no way to objectively determine what hairstyle consitutes a
"fetish hairstyle" and what hairstyle is "mainstream" enough not to be
considered a "fetish" hairstyle. It is completely subjective.
Just as
beauty is subjective and a personal preference.
Ted Danson once said that Whoppi Goldberg was a
very beautiful woman. And I have read on the internet one person who
said that Halle Berry wasn't that beautiful.
I would prefer to get it on with Halle Berry when she is wearing
an ultra-short pixie, than get it on with Whoppi Goldberg with her long
hair. Does that mean that I have a fetish for women in short pixie
hairstyles?
So your definition of a fetish style might be different than mine is.
Realistically no one can deternine what is or isn't a "fetish". What is
a "fetish" for one person might be acceptable for another.
The whole concept of "fetish" vs. "mainstream" is bogus anyway. How
would you even define it? People would have different definitions on
what consitutes a fetish and what constitutes mainstream.
And fashion is always changing. What was a fetish ten years ago
might
be mainstream today.
Years ago short spiky hair on women was considered
a fetish. Now it isn't. Years ago tattoos, a pierced nostril, in some
places even pierced ears, were considered forms of a fashion fetish on
women. They aren't today. There are so many women these days who have
tattoos, have pierced ears, or even a pierced nostril, that it has gone
from being
a so-called "fetish" fashions to so-called "mainstream", or at least
fairly
common fashion styles.
An ultra-short pixie like Halle Berry, Alyssa Milano, Charlize Theron, Natalie Portman, or Toni Braxton have worn, might
be considered a "fetish hairstyle" by you, but it would be a completely
acceptable hairstyle to others. It is certainly acceptable on women to
me. I love those hairstyles on women, and have been with women who had
hairstyles that short or even shorter than that, and I loved it on them.
It would be an amazingly boring and oppressive world if we were only
allowed certain hairstyles. That is how the Communists and the Islamic
Fascists do it. They only allow certain hairstyles or fashions that
they consider acceptable.
But as I stated, it is subjective anyway. One person's fetish hairstyle
is another person's acceptable hairstyle.
We don't need the "hairstyle
police" telling us whether a hairstyle is a "fetish" or not, or how to percieve or wear hairstyles.
We are in America, a free country, not in an oppressive totalitarian
state like Iran or North Korea. Each of us should be allowed to
determine for ourselves how we want to wear our hair and what we
consider acceptable hairstyles.
Now having said all of that, do I believe there is such a thing as
fetishes, or fetish hairstyles? Yes I do believe that, but what is a
fetish hairstyle for me, might not be for you, and visa versa. Every
person doesn't agree on what exactly constitutes a fetish hairstyle or
fetish fashions.
They should always agree with me on fashion, but sometimes they actually don't, which means they are probably wrong, doesn't it?
I will give you a few examples on what I consider acceptable hairstyles
and fashions, and hairstyles or fashions that I consider weird "fetish"
styles or unacceptable.
Acceptable hairstyles on women;
Any short hairstyle. Ranging from shaved heads, buzzcuts, short crops,
short pixies, long pixies, short bob cuts, long bob cuts, short permed
hair, short straight hair.
I believe women like Natalie Portman, Janice Robinson, and Bai Ling, looked beautiful in the bald look.
Halle
Berry, Alyssa Milano, and Sharon Stone look adorable in short pixie
hairstyles.
Short bob hairstyles are gorgeous on many women.
Also any medium length hairstyle on women.
Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Aniston, and Cindy Crawford, look good in medium length hair.
Also any long hair length on women except really, really long, like past knee length.
Jessica Simpson looks good in long hair.
Weird fetish or unacceptable hairstyle on women;
Any unnatural color of hair, such as blue, pink, orange, green, etc..
Long hair on one side of the head and a shaved head on the other side of the head.
Hair length that is too long, like past knee length, dragging on the floor, etc...
Other fashions;
Acceptable to me;
Pierced ears, and pierced nostrils on women.
Pierced ears on men (but not pierced nostrils).
Tattoos on men or women (except facial tattoos).
Skirts or dresses on women.
Jeans or pantsuits on women.
High heels or low heels on women.
Pantyhose on women.
Makeup on women.
Lipstick on women.
Unacceptable to me;
Pierced lips or pierced genitalia on men or women.
Pierced nostrils on men.
Skirts on men, (except sarongs or kilts).
High heels on men.
Pantyhose on men.
Makeup on men.
Lipstick on men.
I am sure most people agree with me on all of this.
My definitions of what is acceptable or what isn't acceptable should be what people should follow.
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