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    Posted: April 24 2003 at 1:01pm
Hi, I am an Indian girl with waist length black hair which i treasure. I normally wear it in a simplle braid,
I have recently moved to london and am likely to get a job as a lawyer. I think it looks odd to wear such a braid to work in london where i have to wear a formal coat to office. My friends suggested i should cut it off to shoulder length and wear a ponytail to work. But i dont want to cut it off.
Can anyone help me by suggesting how i can retain my hair and still look professional.
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Hi Kir

Wear your hair with pride, sister!!!

You can check out the hairstyle galleries here at HairBoutique.com.

Also, this site has pics and instructions of updos/styles for mid to long length hair.
I particularly like the Braided Bun and the French Loop, however the basic and double buns are the easiest to do.
http://www.dressytresses.com/dwp/hairstyles.asp

Hope that helps.

I wish you all the best in your career and with maintaining your long hair.
The presence of longhairs in professional life will challenge the prejudices we all face at work - so I class people like yourself as Longhair Ambassadors.

Take care

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Originally posted by kir kir wrote:


I have recently moved to london and am likely to get a job as a lawyer. I think it looks odd to wear such a braid to work in london where i have to wear a formal coat to office.


I think long hair can look perfectly professional, especially with the right updos and accessories. Any smooth or sleek style looks great. Personally, I'd suggest french twists or figure eight buns.

Excellent directions for doing a french twist held by combs can be found here:

http://www.haarkram.e-something.de/start.html

If your hair is quite heavy and slippery (like mine), you might consider getting a Ficcare maximus clip to help hold up the French twist -- it makes things a bit easier. I can hold my hair up with a french twist comb, but the easiest way to get and keep it up is with the Maximus clip. The directions are the same, it's just you slide the Maximus over the entire roll. I don't know about their availability in London, though. In the US, they're available at Nordstrom's (a large and somewhat upscale department store).

For figure eight buns, you can find directions here:
http://www.bronzejewelers.com/demonstration_pictures.htm

Scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Another site that's got excellent updo instructions is located here:

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/242462

It's got alternate instructions & pictures for the french twist and figure 8 bun, as well as many others.

Good luck,
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Good luck in your new job.
I am a nurse and have hair almost to classic length. I often wear a ponytail, a braid, a braided bun, regular bun, figure 8 bun, French twist and French twist pony. Any of these last 5 are updos and would look professional.
Do not cut your hair off and look like everyone else. Who knows, maybe you will become such a fine lawyer and your long hair will be your trademark!!!!! (The other side will see you come in the courtroom, see it's "that long haired lawyer" and run for the hills!!!!!lol)
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Hello Ev'reebodeee!

I'm glad you posed that question! I have the same problems. Normally, I just wear my hair loose, but I think that makes me look to young.
Yes, it is normally good to look young, but not when people still think you're an intern, even when you've been with the organization for 2 years! (Grrrr...)

I've been trying to get in the habit of wearing it up at work. I figure I need to look professional to get promoted!
I think wearing hair up in a French Twist is more sophisticated and classy. I also like wearing it in a bun, secured with Hair Sticks. You can find Hair Sticks at most stores where they sell hair clips, and I think they are sold here in the Marketplace section of HairBoutique.com I also recommend the Ficcare clips, which are very very similar to the "pelican clips" sold at HairBoutique as well. Check out the Evita Perroni collection! Very sophisticated. Best of all, they're smooth and carefully made so they don't snag or damage your hair, like a lot of clips do.

I vote for keeping your long hair! My boss has long hair, and she's an assistant VP!
She always looks professional and sophisticated.

Best of luck with your career!
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Originally posted by SuperGrover SuperGrover wrote:

My boss has long hair, and she's an assistant VP!
She always looks professional and sophisticated.


Hey SuperGrover! I have long hair... I'm also an assistant VP... I always look professional at the office... maybe having long hair is a requirement to looking professional and holding positions of responsibility...?
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Dear All,
Thanks for your support. But I have to appoligise - today, i decided and cut my hair to mid back level. I lost about 12-13 inches of hair and it was painful to lose it all. But my profession is very important and so i had hair cut off. Thanks again.

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I'm sad for Kir, but not suprised that she chose to cut her hair.

I've seen this happen too often in the UK.
Kir's colleagues will probably compliment her shorter hair and encourage her to cut it into a shorter and more stylised shape. If she re-grows it, she will be faced with scowls, snide remarks and patronising attitudes.

A classic case of group conformity and control vs individual self-determinism.

Having worked in 4 large corporations in mid-management/consultancy roles, I know the (not so secret) hair code.

The bias runs like this:-
Long hair is associated with traditional femininity which is aligned to a degraded status.
So (mostly) female cleaners have long hair, as do secretaries and administrators.
Mid-length to short hair for grad students and junior managers.
Middle and senior management wear it short and sharp. The women and men both in suits with short cuts - hardly different from each other. Corporate clones.

My friends and family in the professions (medics, accountants, barristers) face a lack of credibility if their hair is longer than jaw length.

Any expression of individuality in matters of chosen physical characteristics that are outside of current trends is subject to a range of responses from disapproval to punishment through the denial of opportunity and progress.

I wish Kir had made a different choice and stood firm in keeping her length. However, I totally understand her decision.

It is particularly difficult for minority/ethnic/non-white (pick your term) women to keep long hair as it has the association of cultural backwardness.

Those of us who are established in our careers need to break the back of these attitudes within the workplace and help destroy the myth that professionalism is in any way indicated by the length of hair. This belief is illogical, stupid and damaging.

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Uzma, I agree that the corporate world thinks a person needs short hair to fit in and succeed. As I said above, I am a nurse, and the first week of nursing school, they said we needed to cut our hair above our collars.
I refused. I said I could pin it up and be much more out of my way and do just as well. I did so, although I got a lot of flak from my instructors and the director of the program. That was going on twenty years ago.
I STILL have not cut my hair off and just marvel at the number of women who cut their hair off for their job and/or their "age". Oh, HOW I hate that "women of a certain age" thing!!!! Saw a woman who has ALWAYS had beautiful classic length chestnut hair cut it off when she hit 35, "I'm too old for long hair." Now WHAT made her think that? Guess I have always been a bit of a non conformist, even my kids tell me women "my age" don't wear butt length hair and tie dyed tshirts. Well, maybe they don't, but I DO!!
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Good for you, Karrinne.
I admire your resolve to keep your hair long despite the pressure to conform.

The social and professional dictats that short hair is required/appropriate for corporate workers and post-menopausal women is a recent phenomena.

In Britain, prior to the 1920s arrival of the flapper, short-bob and flat-breasted look for women - long hair was the norm.
And you only have to walk through the National Gallery or Hampton Court to see that long-haired men were the norm for centuries. I knew I was born too late (sigh).

In a lot of eastern cultures, women wear long hair all their lives, although they too are increasingly under pressure to conform to short hair which is falsely correlated with modernity, progress, wealth and development.

Lets you and I and all the other longhairs and wannabe-longhairs make a pact to challenge these prejudices with our Shining Intellect and Big Smiles in the face of long hair hating frowns.

Boo to the hair haters!

Hail the Long Hair Liberation Front !!!

I think every woman who grows long hair past 45 deserves a medal and every man who does so regardless of age deserves a medal and a kiss.

Uzma
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LOL, Uzma!

And good for you, Karrinne!

You should be able to wear your hair as long as you want it, no matter what your age is!
But it's true that a lot of women cut their hair when they reach a certain age. Like I said in another thread, a colleague of mine is in her fifties and has the most gorgeous long hair. But some people are talking about her back, saying she's just trying to look young with that hair. But she looks gorgeous!

I don't get it, I really don't. If your hair suits you, age has nothing to do with it!
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Good for you Karinne!! You wear that gorgeous hair proudly!
I am for Long Hair Liberation!!
So wierd to be saying that - I am hispanic so long hair was always expected, but lately (since I turned 35) it has been "why are you growing your hair long?" so I guess after 35 you are not supposed to have it long anymore. What is that about?

Oh yeah, the last office I worked in I was the only top level person with long hair - THE ONLY ONE!!m there were about 20 women in the office. I wore my hair in a low ponytail with a 4 inch thick strap (leather or fabric) Think horsetail wrap. Then I would put oil or gel on the rest of the length to keep it all together and it would just sit on my back. It was a great look and so easy.
Watch old episodes of Ally Mcbeal for lots of great hair ideas - Portia DeRossi had really long hair and wore it in the coolest styles.

take care.

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Just a note on eastern cultures. It's vastly different from what "was" and what "is." In schools, all students are required to have short hair, altho it is more lax now than a generation before. All girls were required to have chin (or shorter) length hair.

When I went to school in Asia, the hair requirements were a bit more lax, ie you could perm your hair, but most students still had short hair. I apparently became very used to having short hair, and didn't even start having shoulder-length hair (as I do now) until my last few years in college.

Go uzma! I'm starting grad school in the fall, but I'm not going to cut my hair! I like my hair at shoulder-length, and I want to grow it longer. I'll be running through the halls of the biology building with bra strap length hair!
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Karrinne, kudos to you for sticking with your wishes!


Originally posted by uzma uzma wrote:

In a lot of eastern cultures, women wear long hair all their lives, although they too are increasingly under pressure to conform to short hair which is falsely correlated with modernity, progress, wealth and development.


There may (or may not!) be a correlation, but I firmly believe there is NOT a cause-and-effect relationship. On the contrary, I would hypothesize that people are more truly happy (free of commercial inducement and from spoken and unspoken societal pressures) and productive when they feel free to choose voluntary aspects of their own appearance.


Quote ets you and I and all the other longhairs and wannabe-longhairs make a pact to challenge these prejudices with our Shining Intellect and Big Smiles in the face of long hair hating frowns.

Boo to the hair haters!

Hail the Long Hair Liberation Front !!!

I think every woman who grows long hair past 45 deserves a medal and every man who does so regardless of age deserves a medal and a kiss.

Uzma
(rocking on her heels and LOL)


LOL. I'm with you in spirit, Uzma.
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Well I guess I could care less if women have long hair or not because I'm hetrosexual, so I don't care how women wear their hair .

And as you all know by now, I wear my hair short, and I prefer it that way, and feel feminine with my hair in a short pixie/crop !

So I don't care one way or the other how women wear their hair, since I see women with long and short hair anyway.



But I do wish more guys would wear long hair, especially if they keep it well groomed and clean!

Twenty years ago when I was a little girl you used to see many more guys with long hair than you see today, and most of the guys in rock bands had long hair back then.

What happened? Well the styles changed.

Dave you and your long haired brothers have to start a new "long haired guys crusade"! A new trend!


From what I know of the "hippy" era in the1960s and 70s, I am not really into those politics, and certainly not that lifestyle with the drugs and everything, but the guys were just darling with their long hair back then!


They should bring back that hair fashion again for guys!!!
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Originally posted by Lady Maria Lady Maria wrote:

Well I guess I could care less if women have long hair or not because I'm hetrosexual, so I don't care how women wear their hair .


That reminds me of something. (and p.s. the following is not directed at you personally, Maria)

There's a theory that (heterosexual) women primarily try to look good for other women, that male opinions are less important in that respect .
It's a well known fact women can be absolutely ruthless when it comes to another woman's appearance, way harsher than men.
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Originally posted by Lady Maria Lady Maria wrote:

Well I guess I could care less if women have long hair or not because I'm hetrosexual, so I don't care how women wear their hair...


By the same token I don't care how men wear their hair.

And, like you, I appreciate long hair on the opposite gender.

But the issue is whether or not people -- men and women -- feel free to pursue their preferred hair length choice. Kir is one of countless examples of women who did not feel empowered to retain the long hair she treasured, instead sacrificing it on the alter of the widely-held notion of what constitutes a "professional" appearance. Ironically, by cutting her hair she "helped" perpetuate the perception.

Quote ave you and your long haired brothers have to start a new "long haired guys crusade"! A new trend!


Well that's flattering but the only topical "crusade" I would wish to see would be one in which people feel free of compulsions to cut their long hair for the sake of career aspirations, fashion, or other inter-personal pressures. And in small part, this board could help encourage the people who visit here to feel more empowered to keep their hair long, if that is what they wish -- Kir notwithstanding.
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Dave - So wonderfully well put. I so agree.

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Originally posted by Isla Q. Isla Q. wrote:

That reminds me of something. (and p.s. the following is not directed at you personally, Maria)

There's a theory that (heterosexual) women primarily try to look good for other women, that male opinions are less important in that respect .
It's a well known fact women can be absolutely ruthless when it comes to another woman's appearance, way harsher than men.


Hi Isla Q,

At another time and place in my life, I observed this phenomenon (a woman I knew told me the same thing). When I first noticed it, it was both mildly amusing and a bit unsettling to see the women furiously (yet as subtly as possible) checking each other out and not noticing the guys around at all.
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Although I have "long" hair for corporate America (shoulder length and working toward another 3-4 inches longer....eventually...) I think there's another reason so many gals around me cut their hair short around birthday #30: I live in Michigan where summers are unbearably hot and winters cold and windy. Less hair is easier to deal with. Sure, some people say you have to style short hair for hours a day but everyone I've talked to at my office this week disagrees. They say they keep it short because they've got kids who would otherwise be yanking on it, they don't have time to work with it and it really is easier than long hair. I don't think it is entirely about conformity--there's an element of convenience in there. Personally I would love to try short hair someday just to experience it....but not now because I love having long hair!
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