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Originally posted by Laine1998 Laine1998 wrote:

Dave,
I am a definately a much differnet person than the 'year of the tiger' person. I used to come in here much more often but college/work constraints put a hold on my time online! Plus the icon I chose, was the cutest one in my opinion But I have changed that now to help clarify any confusion!

As for my opinion for giving up my hair to someone, I had to cut my mom's hair off when she was going through chemo/radiation. It was a very hard time for both of us, and if I could of given her my hair then, I would of. I really don't know too much about LOL but that is how I came to my opinion on that. Thats all.

I guess I will stay in lurk mode, or try to post more often to avoid confusion
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Hi Laine,

Aww, I'm sorry I questioned your integrity and compelled you to change your icon.

For what it's worth though, I like your new icon.

Please don't be afraid to post or feel you have to lurk. I got caught up in the heat of the moment in dealing with the "YearoftheTiger" troll. (See, one of my somewhat hypocritical moments). I see that you're busy with school and work too, so I hope you visit here and feel free to participate. I promise to try harder to moderate my own posts.
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Dave,
I am a definately a much differnet person than the 'year of the tiger' person. I used to come in here much more often but college/work constraints put a hold on my time online! Plus the icon I chose, was the cutest one in my opinion But I have changed that now to help clarify any confusion!

As for my opinion for giving up my hair to someone, I had to cut my mom's hair off when she was going through chemo/radiation. It was a very hard time for both of us, and if I could of given her my hair then, I would of. I really don't know too much about LOL but that is how I came to my opinion on that. Thats all.

I guess I will stay in lurk mode, or try to post more often to avoid confusion
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Dave, my bet was that it would have a greater impact saying that they did lose business instead of saying that they would lose business!
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Elissa, thank you for sharing this story with us. Some years ago I lost a dear relative of 52, also from cancer. It was very hard. I am fortunate that my parents are still alive and well.

Ah yes, and Jennifer, that was sorta the idea of letting the company know that their decision to support the group is probably bad for their business.
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Dave, you should write the Goody Company and tell them that you and several of your friends were just on your way to the store to buy lots of their products when you received their solicitation. You thought it was a splendid idea, so you and all your friends all cut your hair short, and now you thank the Goody Company for saving you lots of money from having to buy all those hair accessories that they sell!

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Kintaro,

After my mom died of lung cancer (she was 51), I took some of her winter hats and there was hair inside one of them from the chemo. She had beautiful hair, and she was a beautiful person. I did indeed keep some of the hair, it's in an envelope in my memory box. Your comments made me think of this.

My mom probably inspired my love of hair, she loved hair too and loved caring for hers. I guess that's one of the reasons I kept some. Don't know if I'd keep some of my own, though. I sure hope never to find out.

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Thanks everyone for your kindness and good wishes. I wasn't out to push your sympathy buttons.
I was ill at age 9 and then at age 27 - same thing both times. Have good health most of the time, thankfully, but when I fall, its a heavy fall.

Can honestly say that illness and pain have been growth experiences for me. Learnt a lot about how precious (and fragile) life is.
That realization was a great catalyst for many changes - all of them good.

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Rotten family pressure.
Coercion.
Maury Povich. (surely others but MAINLY him)


They use the talk shows way too often because it works, it's all it is, a publicity stunt.

If I had to go through chemo, I would go willingly bald, but it's still my hair, and i'd either keep the tail as a memento or will burn it on the spot. It is NOT something for others to abuse or profit from.

And dying it minimizes the chances of it being used. ESPECIALLY if it's grey.
I hate all of the following and lots more : Fundamentalists, racists, sexists, fascists, ageists (people saying seniors = senile , kids = stupid , 18 = immature or a combo of them), and bigots for causes yet to receive their own designation.
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Originally posted by SuperGrover SuperGrover wrote:

Thank you Maura and Dave! That's exactly what I would have said if I had the energy to type that all out.

Except I don't think Laine and YearoftheTiger are the same person. :) And incidentally, their icon is of PsyDuck, a Pokemon whose attack is to stare his foes in the eye and give them a headache. Which this topic is doing to me. Quite appropriate!

Uzi! *hugs* Yikes. Chemo is so awful. I had a friend go through it at age 17. It was terrifying for me to watch her go through it. I can't even imagine how it feels first hand. I'm so glad your survived it! I'm sure it wasn't easy.


All I can do is reflect the statements of everybody else who has expressed their sympathy to Uzi. So glad you have overcome the disease and are back!

Thanks SuperGrover. Things got kind of interesting today. And my "rating" has now hit rock bottom. There's only one way to go from here -- up. (I'm not fishing!)
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Originally posted by tina m tina m wrote:

Whoever "YearoftheTiger" is, obviously the long hair board is for people who enjoy long hair, just as the short hair board is for people who enjoy short hair. I certainly don't like it when people go on the short hair board and try to convince everyone to grow long hair, that long hair is always better,(as some have done, which the short haired lovers don't like). It is a question of common courtesy and understanding what each particular board is about.


Tina,

If and when you see this happen, would you please b-mail me with the URL of the thread where it occurs? I am not in favor of the type of activity you describe; I believe in being respectful of boundaries. Thanks!
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Thank you Maura and Dave! That's exactly what I would have said if I had the energy to type that all out.

Except I don't think Laine and YearoftheTiger are the same person. :) And incidentally, their icon is of PsyDuck, a Pokemon whose attack is to stare his foes in the eye and give them a headache. Which this topic is doing to me. Quite appropriate!

Uzi! *hugs* Yikes. Chemo is so awful. I had a friend go through it at age 17. It was terrifying for me to watch her go through it. I can't even imagine how it feels first hand. I'm so glad your survived it! I'm sure it wasn't easy.
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aww uzma i'm sorry to hear you went through that one of my cousin's is going through chemo. her her sister[my other cousin obviously] has really long hair. she didn't want her to cut her hair just because she was going to lose hers.
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Uzma,
I didn't realize you were sick and had to go through chemo twice! I really hope you are ok now and over whatever illnesses you had.
If you want to talk about it, feel free to.
Everyone here respects you I am sure and wouldn't mind you discussing it if it made you feel better to talk about it.
My very best to you Uzma, I hope you are feeling well darling!
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Whoever "YearoftheTiger" is, obviously the long hair board is for people who enjoy long hair, just as the short hair board is for people who enjoy short hair. I certainly don't like it when people go on the short hair board and try to convince everyone to grow long hair, that long hair is always better,(as some have done, which the short haired lovers don't like). It is a question of common courtesy and understanding what each particular board is about.

It seems silly and useless to me to go on the long hair board and tell people they should cut their hair or keep pushing an issue when people clearly want to drop the subject of cutting their hair.

If people want to donate their hair to Locks of Love, they have that right to do that in a free society,... but obviously the long haired people on this board DON'T want to contribute to Locks of Love, and really don't care for that organization.
So once you understand how they feel about it, why continue to push the subject?

Isn't it obvious that this is the case? Why cause unecessary dissension?
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Has anybody else noticed that both "YearoftheTiger" and "Laine1998" both have the same icon and the same point of view? Coincidence or.... ?
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Originally posted by YearoftheTiger YearoftheTiger wrote:

I think you missed the point--if people want to sell or donate their hair then let them. I don't know why everyone here takes that so personally. And yes, I really think it seems that most posters here have their whole life wrapped up in their hair. Besides, what does the length of my hair matter to any one of you? If I am bald, am I not allowed to post here? Can I only post here if I have hair to my waist? I'm curious-what would any one of you do if you were to lose your hair to chemotherapy? I think most of you would be very traumatized. So, if someone wants to willingly donate their hair to be used for that purpose, then let them. I think it is great that some people are thinking of others than their own vanity.


Tina, your participation here has always been respectful of the topic. Don't worry, you're doing fine.


Princessmonica is correct. "YearoftheTiger" is missing the point, and certainly well aware of that fact.... and surely also knows that having long hair is not a requirement to post here. Tina M. has very short hair... hello?


YearoftheTiger... if I lost my hair to chemotherapy I'd be a whole lot more concerned -- traumatized -- about the possibility of losing my life prematurely!

"If someone wants to willingly donate their hair to be used for that purpose..."

How is someone's hair going to cure me? As I said, I'd be mostly concerned about fighting to save my life!

"I think it is great that some people are thinking of others than their own vanity."

Great! Then you surely must have lots of respect for me, because I've given much to charities. But surely you don't have an ounce of vanity in you, because you're entirely selfless.

Since you seem to be full of hypothetical questions, turnabout is fair play... of course by now I wouldn't expect any sincerity from your responses...

"Say, yearofthetiger, that's a real nice house you own. You've been making payments now for what, 10 years already? You must have a lot of equity in it... you know, there are homeless people who are down on their luck who would surely love to have your house... you wouldn't mind giving up your house so that they can live in it, would you?"

"Hey, yearofthetiger, you've worn your hair very short for all the years I've known you. You obviously like having short hair very much. You know, there are cancer-kids who would appreciate having your hair. You wouldn't mind taking the next 4 years growing your hair to your waist, and living all that time with a hair style and length you don't like, for those poor kids, right? After all, why should you be happy with your hair? Besides, that ponytail will probably fetch 50 bucks on the hair market, and that'll be a nice donation sitting unused in the charity's bank account."

Surely you're most willing to do all this, right? Of course, I don't even need to ask.
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My problem with Locks of Love is them not being up front. From what I have seen from news posts to talking to friends who have donated is that the general sentiment is "I didn't want to get rid of my hair but its ok because I know some cancer ridden child will be made happy" The fact that much of the donated hair does not end up on the heads of cancer patients is something the LOL should be upfront about. The fact is the much of the hair is sold or just sits in a warehouse. I don't think anyone would say "I donated my hair so a rich person can buy a wig made from MY hair" The other fact is that the wigs that are made are mostly given to patients suffering from alopecia areata not cancer. LOL does say this on their webpage but if you type in locks of love or hair donation into a search engine and read the pages that come up most of the articles refer to cancer. Further more we don't know exactly how many wigs are being given to children, the small team of people that work for LOL could be making off with a lot of money(that may not be true based on the tax stuff Elissa posted but I did not understand most of that ) Anyway if LOL was upfront about where all the hair was going I would have no problem with the organization. Finally, I realize that most of the untruths may be perpetuated by the media but LOL has made no effort to say what is and isn't true. ok that is my two cents.
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YearoftheTiger

The length of your hair – or complete lack of it – is not a dependency of your posting on this board.
The support of long hair and those who desire long hair as a goal, is.

Personally, I have undergone chemo twice in my life, experiencing Telogen Effluvium – diffuse hair loss each time. I was not hugely traumatized by these experiences, although undoubtedly disconcerted.
However, I have been damaged by social and individual pressures to cut my hair which at times were brutal in their intensity. Hence my sympathy for those I have seen “donating” their hair to charity while their body language and facial expressions seem to be giving the clear message that it is not a willing donation.
Everyone has the right of self-determination. When society and individuals act as a force to subjugate that right, the person who is the target of their desires becomes a victim. That some women submit their long locks to the scissors is not indication that they are invoking free personal choice. The faces say “No” the scissors say “Yes”.

The point I made about using synthetic hair to make wigs – a much more efficient process than using human hair – has not been satisfactorily answered. Why is long hair the object of such destruction?
IMHO, someone is getting a kick out of seeing women divested of their glory.

As for posters here having their whole lives wrapped up in hair….well, lets see…
If you were to read some of the other boards I frequent, you would think I had my whole life wrapped up in Metaphysics, Primitivism, Gaian hypotheses, Greek mythology, Comix, Nu-Metal music, Expressionist art, Alternative Medicine, etc, etc.
What you see on a specific board is not indicative of the whole personality. That goes for everyone here. Read the regular posters on this board on other boards in this forum for verification.

You mentioned vanity. It is a question of perspective.
Here’s mine.
Nature gave me 2 lungs, 2 kidneys, 1 heart, long hair, 1 brain and 2 eyes.
Each of the above have their purpose.
I would not willingly lose a kidney or a lung. I will not willingly lose my hair.
It is not a matter of vanity.
It is a matter of completeness in the physical form.


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Yes, hair grows. But time passes.
You cannot regain lost time at all, nor lost length easily, if ever.
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Reading about all of this makes me think of those shows where they get these women with LONG LONG hair on there and they cut it all off.

Let me ask you all this....

IF you knew a child, or adult that was losing their hair from a medical treatment, and you could give them some of your hair, and you knew that it was going to them and only them, would you do it? Maybe through another company besides LOL. I would, and probably not think twice about it. I know it would take time to grow back, but it would grow back.... But that is just me,
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Originally posted by YearoftheTiger YearoftheTiger wrote:

I think you missed the point--if people want to sell or donate their hair then let them. I don't know why everyone here takes that so personally. And yes, I really think it seems that most posters here have their whole life wrapped up in their hair. Besides, what does the length of my hair matter to any one of you? If I am bald, am I not allowed to post here? Can I only post here if I have hair to my waist? I'm curious-what would any one of you do if you were to lose your hair to chemotherapy? I think most of you would be very traumatized. So, if someone wants to willingly donate their hair to be used for that purpose, then let them. I think it is great that some people are thinking of others than their own vanity.

no you are the one missing the point! the point is again i repeat a long hair support board! if you do not support long hair in my opinion you have no business being here! trying to bring in an illiness to prove a point is low.
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