teachers with long hair

> If voicing an alternative point-of-view is seen as> throwing verbal punches, what would you like to see> discussed in the "politics" forum?No, I don't see voicing alternative opinions as "throwing verbal punches," but I don't like it when people make unfounded negative character assumptions about others without knowing the whole story.> But seriously, if no other> view than "long is the only true feminine> style" for women is constantly touted and> anything else is seen as threatening, then you've just> proved JerkyFlea's point that this is truly a> long-hair site with little or no room for other> opinion.I don't recall saying anything like that.> Also, people seem to take things soooo seriously> around here. Hair is certainly an interesting subject,> but some people not only can't joke about it at all,> but seem to view it as a life-or-death situation. I> agree that that we need to be civil, but it seems that> it's okay to trash someone who cuts hair (Brian on the> personals page) but anyone who doesn't agree that long> hair is the ultimate is seen as antagonistic to the> "cause." That's extremely one-sided and> elitest, don't you think?But I don't view long hair as "the cause" or the "ultimate." I merely like to keep my own hair long. I don't like people telling me that I should cut it. The reason why I don't object to being encouraged to keep my hair long is that the long hair was my idea in the first place and people who encourage me to keep it long are only restating my point of view, so to speak. Other people can keep their hair any way they like it.> Hair is hair. It is often beautiful giftwrap, but if> you wrap your kitchen trash up in a beautiful box, it> doesn't change the contents inside.It is taking a considerable amount of mental effort on my part not to be severely offended by that remark.Erika

Where to begin...1) Erika, I agree 100% with what you said(http://www.hairboutique.com/hairpolitics.pl?read=2194), which was:> Nobody here ever said that they looked at hair over all other> attributes of people. The hair issue is merely a beauty issue,> and, while appearences attract initially, it takes more than> appearences to hold a relationship together. Form my readings> of their posts, these men seem to acknowlege that.2) Thank you, Jade, for your kind words:> How refreshing to see men such as the two of you truly have> appreciation for a woman as a person and advocate treatment> as such.Jena's reply: (http://www.hairboutique.com/hairpolitics.pl?read=2190)> If these men are limiting their searches for wives to only> those women with long hair, how is that showing "appreciation> for a woman as a person">> Maybe it's too late at night for me to be responding, but I'll> be blunt. It seems as if a few people here are basing an entire> person's worth or beauty on the length of her *hair*! This just> seems very psychologically unhealthy to me. I think there are a> lot of things more important in life than hair, yet there seems> to be an undue emphasis placed on it.>> It's one thing to appreciate hair. But it's another to be so wrapped> up in it to the exclusion of overlooking other attributes of people.Jena, I am at a loss to understand where you fabricated your ideasabout my supposed dating style and my supposed basis of evaluationof a person's worth. Please do not put words into my mouth whichI have not stated, and which are inconsistent with my point of view.I feel that you have erroneously put me in the same category as BB.3) Deana, thank you for your kind words re: my compliments to theladies on the board. It's nice to know that you appreciate them.4) Jena and Deana, for what it's worth, it may interest you to knowthat my ex-wife's hair was short-to-medium length for the 12 yearsthat we were dating/married. Her not having long hair did notpreclude me from being in love with her, neither was it a factorin our breakup!5) Jena said:> And if these men are limiting their searches for wives> to only those women with long hair, how is that> showing "appreciation for a woman as a person"?Zorak's response:> They are not. To them a woman is only her hair. That is> pretty shallow, IMO.Zorak -- the same question I ask of Jena applies to you also...Who are you to be my spokesman? I can speak for myself wellenough, so "no thanks" to you for mis-speaking on my behalf.That you think you can sum up my feelings on the subject, andsay so in a very derogatory manner toward my character, seemsto be rather presumptuous of you.Zorak also said:> It is kinda what I have been saying for months: people who> will not even consider cutting (or changing in any way)> their hair are not healthy in their minds.I fail to understand the association you draw betweenmental well-being and frequent hairstyle changes...Zorak also said:> ... she merely has pointed out that some around here are far> too obsessed with long hair, and need to re-examine their> state of mind.Wouldn't it also be fair for someone to say that "some aroundhere are far too obsessed with *change* and need to re-examinetheir state of mind?"Zorak also said:> Changing one's appearance from time to time by cutting ones hair> is MUCH MORE NORMAL than NEVER EVER cutting one's hair at all."Normal" in the sense of "customary?" Yes. "Normal" froma mental health standpoint? Pure conjecture on your part.Zorak also said:> There is far too much of a kind of sick "group think mentality"> around here that should be examined carefully by each individual> who is a participant in this board.How's the self-examination going, Zorak? And what exactly isthis "group think mentality?" It's a shame that you are unableto discern each person's unique perspective here.6) Last, but not least, is a commentary, based on observationof Mark's posts. Mark began participating on these boardsusing various names, including Mark, Jack, and Bald Woman,variously advocating headshaving and/or very short haircuts,and later, long hair. Lately, Mark has been expressing strongopinions that women *should* wear long hair, which quiteunderstandably has begun to irritate some of the women onthis board. But then, he seems to have had a reversal.In his latest post, Mark said to Jena:> You are free to cut your hair,nobody is stopping you.> I have right to express my opionion. Well maybe you> will find the new hair style ideas at www.haircut.net.> website that shows all the charming bald women.> Feel free to get any hair style you want,Jena, I am just> expressing my opionion. I am sure all the ladies at> www.haircut.net site would be happy to give you close> shave and bald head,if you want it Jena.I ask -- is this what you would expect to hear from someonewho has been strongly advocating long hair? The real question,though is this: Given Mark's thinly-veiled preference for veryshort hair, might Mark's statements that women *should* wearlong hair be intentionally extreme so as to irritate some ofthe women and dissuade them from wanting or having long hair?Dave

> Oh Diane Thats another fetish all on its own and> people from> the long nail community are most likely discussing> this very topic check out the nail bytes message board> for answer> Dave> T.OI never mentioned anything. Why are you addressing this to me?Diane

> I'm very sorry to hear that! Certainly, I've never had> that experience, and I can understand your being> defensive of long hair. But it's the non-acceptance of> any type of other hair that is at the heart of the> matter.Okay I will give you that one Jena but please do use the Brian situation because the responses were really based on what they knew about the hair crime etc and nothing to do with acceptance . The only thing I am defensive about is the fact that some people would actually come after me because I have long hair and they feel it is their rights to cut it and that is a crime. I am talking about attacks on the streets etc. ( Diane)> Interestingly enough, someone pointed out another site> to me recently, which is almost the exact opposite of> this one. It's: www.haircut.net There are stills from> videos there that show women with waist-length hair> literally getting it all shaved off!! I kid you not!IT was someone like that stalked me (Diane)I> personally do not find extremely short hair on women> attractive or feminine, but that is my opinion, and if> these women honestly want to shave their heads and it> makes them feel feminine, well, it's a free country!It is really based on personalities (Diane)>> I am not a "long-hair" enthusiast and I am> not a "short-hair" enthusiast.It is obvious I tend to be a long hair enthusiast but of course I really do appreciate short hair. Heck I was a short hair lady once (Diane)But what I> see here is people's lives totally revolving around> the issue of hair and anyone who threatens their views> with any other views is seen as evil.We get that false idea because it is a hair web site. (Diane)>>> I don't see anyone here saying that long hair is a> crime. Although I'm sure Mark would say that short> hair is a crime! And he is entitled to his opinion.lol lol well it is obvious that Mark long hair and we can't change his mind.I was talking about the crime that people commit against people with long hair. (Diane)

> Dear JENAYou are free to cut your hair,nobody is stopping you.I have right to express my opionion. Well maybe youwill find the new hair style ideas at www.haircut.net.website that shows all the charming bald women.Feel free to get any hair style you want,Jena, I am justexpressing my opionion. I am sure all the ladies atwww.haircut.net site would be happy to give you closeshave and bald head,if you want it Jena.

I find your assessment here odd, because to grow hair long requires many years. So, to follow my concept, the "mature" person would have the long hair, while the "immature" person would have short hair. Not really my definitions of those two words, just just a curious thought. :-)Jennifer Eve> In general, I agree with the opinion that short hair> on a woman (reasonably short, like shoulder-length or> bob styled, not "punked" or> "buzzed" or "butched") is far more> professional than long hair in a bun or braid....that> seems just a little to immature, IMO.

>> Get a life! Changing one's appearance from time to> time by cutting ones hair is MUCH MORE NORMAL than> NEVER EVER cutting one's hair at all.That is only an opinion Zorak and by saying this you are not respecting others. Some people might think your atttitude of changing everything is not so normal also. ( Diane)> There is far too much of a kind of sick "group> think mentality" around here that should be> examined carefully by each individual who is a> participant in this board.Who gives you the right to be so mentally abusive on everyone? ( Diane)>> This is not like making decisions about money or> such....this is about a person's self-image. Any> normal person will sooner or later "rebel"> against such tyranny as their partner> "forbidding" them to cut their hair.Yes that is true that when there isn't any give and take a relationship will fall apart but within a short period of time you guys have dissected bb marriage without knowing one thing about either of them. I am very appauled by such behavior. People go through a lot of pain in a divorce no need to make them feel so little on this board ( Diane)>>

>> proved JerkyFlea's point that this is truly a> long-hair site with little or no room for other> opinion.For the record Jena JerkyFlea never proved that point. He tried to use examples that weren't well represented at times and those participants corrected and challenge him.> Also, people seem to take things soooo seriously> around here. Hair is certainly an interesting subject,> but some people not only can't joke about it at all,> but seem to view it as a life-or-death situation. I> agree that that we need to be civil, but it seems that> it's okay to trash someone who cuts hair (Brian on the> personals page) but anyone who doesn't agree that long> hair is the ultimate is seen as antagonistic to the> "cause." That's extremely one-sided and> elitest, don't you think?Jena did you read my message to Jerky Flea that is title heart to heart? If so I would appreciate your understanding. Don't sweap this seriousness under the rug as I experience being stalked by a long hair cutter and believe me you would be thinking totally diffirent and seeing things on a diffirent view if you felt your life was in danger. Many people are very aware of the extremes that some people will take . I would appreciate a certain amount of respect . Maybe some of us didn't know how to express the concerns.All that situation had nothing to do with long vs short. Don't you understand this?> Hair is hair.Yes Jena hair is hair and sadly enought I wish some people would use it as a crime.JerkyFlea was totally off base and where is he now?

I don't like it when> people throw verbal punches at each other.If voicing an alternative point-of-view is seen as throwing verbal punches, what would you like to see discussed in the "politics" forum?Perhaps you and Mark could discuss how ladies who cut their hair are all evil and jealous and masculine! ;-) Oh, I'm just kidding you. But seriously, if no other view than "long is the only true feminine style" for women is constantly touted and anything else is seen as threatening, then you've just proved JerkyFlea's point that this is truly a long-hair site with little or no room for other opinion.Also, people seem to take things soooo seriously around here. Hair is certainly an interesting subject, but some people not only can't joke about it at all, but seem to view it as a life-or-death situation. I agree that that we need to be civil, but it seems that it's okay to trash someone who cuts hair (Brian on the personals page) but anyone who doesn't agree that long hair is the ultimate is seen as antagonistic to the "cause." That's extremely one-sided and elitest, don't you think?Hair is hair. It is often beautiful giftwrap, but if you wrap your kitchen trash up in a beautiful box, it doesn't change the contents inside.

>ERICA,A lot of short hair females are jealous of other ladieswith long hair. That is why the husbands in my town,take care of their wives long hair,which includes,washing,shampooing,a slight one half inch trims. Thereare so many female beauticians who cut a ladies longhair,close to the scalp,with stunning speed,with scissors.Thats why the number of beauty shops has decreased.It seems that there are some women,that are so eagerto cut another womans long waist length hair,because someladies are so jealous of other ladies waist length hair.A lady who cuts her long hair against a mans will is loadedwith resentment. The lady only really hurts herself.A man is being very reasonable for asking a lady to growlong hair.