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PS: With reference to your first post, Melba, I speak languages other than English. And I do like the English language.

Parlez vous Francais?
Parlo Italiano?
Urdu may baat karo?
Qul Arabi?

But hey, the internet language is English and I'm not a language fascist.

PPS: Lay off Kintaro.
That fine young man is entitled to his freely express his opinion. Should we not encourage the next generation in developing their characters and thoughts? Why put him down?
He was only saying that you did not have to lower yourself by shameful speech in order to get your message across.
That's a good and positive opinion.
That is how I would want my son to conduct himself.
Wisdom out of the mouths of babes...........
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If our American government had any brains this entire thread would be unnecessary.

Most of American trade today is with Canada, Mexico, South America, and East Asia. We don't do that much trade with Europe, even less with South Asia, Africa or the Mid-East. We get a minority of our oil from the Mid-East unlike western Europe who get the majority of their oil from there.
We have defended west Europe for nearly one-hundred years now. It was mostly American troops and money that supplied NATO throughout the Cold War. Ditto today, including in Bosnia and Kosovo. With the exception of the British, the rest of west Europe has spent little on their militaries and wouldn't be unable to defend themselves. The Americans quite frankly are fools. We are defending them and they don't even like us or our policies, they would even allow an arab dictatorship to have any sort of weapon of Mass Destruction and they wouldn't stop them evenif they used them on Europe. They are that weak, this is incredibly true.

Ever since Vietnam in the late 60s most Europeans have hated us. We defend people with American lives and taxdollars who hate us. Does that make sense??
We have much better relations with our neighbors in the western hemisphere. Having traveled extensively in Latin America, Canada, Europe and the Mid-East, I can assure all of my fellow Americans that the Latin Americans, Canadians, and even the Chinese and Japanese are far less hateful of America than are either the western Europeans or the Arabs.
The best thing America could ever do, and we should do it soon, is go on a crash program to ween ourselves off of Mid-East oil by developing our own oil reserves off of the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska, and craft legislation to develop quickly alternative energy automobiles. Within ten years we wouldn't need Mid-East oil whatsoever. Then we need to pull out of NATO, the Cold War is over and Europe needs to defend itself for a change with their own lives and money. Then, of course, remove all troops from the Mid-East, and quit giving money to Israel and Egypt.
America's future without a doubt, is with the Americas, and a few other places,certainly not with unappreciative,decadent , declining Europe or with the hopelessly crazy and nearly midevil condition of the modern Middle East, with their dictators, basketcase economies and growing Islamic fundamentalism.
Europe and the Mid-East don't like America and it is extremely difficult to respect them. They are much less important to us econmically than North and South America anyway.
Canada, Latin America and East Asia don't like us that much either, but I can tell you from experience that they don't really hate us, and they are more than happy to do business with us and make money.with us. They are practical people and much less moralistic and conceited than the Europeans. Unlike the Europeans,you don't get any lectures from them.
And they are much more "normal" people as it were, than either West Europe or the Muslim world. They aren't decling like Europe and they have few religious fundamentalists like the Muslim countries.

We don't need Europe. Let's see if they have enough courage and the will to defend or take care of themselves. I doubt it but that is not our problem.
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I could spend time disagreeing with much of what you say, point by point, A.C, but I won't. Suffice to say I think that you manifestly know very little about Europe - or how people there regard the US. I've spent a lot of time there, have you?

(And FWIW, I'm in England - and you know litttle about this country either...certainly much less than I do about the US, which I've also visited 3 times since 9/11).
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Helo A.C.,

You make some excellent points. Very well said!

Getting off of Middle Eastern oil and developing alternative energy and cars is a no brainer. We have the technology to do it, let's do it!

You are also very right about our "allies" in West Europe. My fiance, who is German-American, has been to Germany and France before, ( a couple of years ago,before the present war situation), and felt very uncomfortable there.

The Europeans love to feel morally superior to us "warmongering, imperialistic" Americans. I guess it is easy to be a peacenik and feel morally superior when you don't have to defend yourself, when America will spend their money and use our troops to do it for you.

With the possible exception of the Brits and the Irish,(who you can't help but like), the rest of the Western European countries don't really deserve to be free countries. They take their freedom for granted and are unwilling to do anything to preserve it.

If an Arab totalitarian state or states someday invade Europe and use chemical gas or nukes on them and kill some of them and then take them over and rule them, they have no one but themselves to blame. YOU ARE RIGHT! We should not defend people unwilling to defend themselves and who don't appreciate us.

I guess it's gotten so bad that in many western European countries Americans can't even rent a hotel room and they spit in your food. There have been many documented cases of this. Who needs these weak, cowardly, spoiled brats! They are not our friends or allies! We certainly don't need them, economically or in any way! They have really never done anything for us! We have saved them from Nazism and Communism!

You are also very right that most of our business and trade is now being done with Canada, Mexico, some of the other Latin American countries, as well as China and Japan. I have read many articles in the newspapers about that.

Let the spoiled Italians, Germans and French have their anti-American riots! Let them take care of themselves if they can!

You are right A.C.. I bet most U.S. citizens would agree, especially after seeing the ridiculous, immature behaviour exhibited in Europe recently.


They don't deserve freedom. Only the strong deserve it!

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Beatnik Guy,

Not all Western Europeans hate America, and I'm sure there are many good people there, but A.C. is right, our future is not with Europe, and we are doing much more trade with Canada, Latin America, China and Japan.

And NATO really is no longer necessary for the U.S. to be involved with.
Europe really does have to, completely, defend themselves.

And of course we should not rely on the unstable Arab countries for oil. Alternative cars pollute less anyway.
It's time to get these cars on the market!

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hassam From LA Wrote:---------------------------------------

Saddam Hussein is not a true Muslim, he is a socialist. He didn''t make the Muslim women cover in Iraq. He is not worthy of support.
Only women who are properly covered and cut can be considered Muslim. Most western Muslim women and Socialist Muslim women are not Muslims and will not have salvation. They are not of Allah, because so many of them don''t obey the clerics, don''t obey their men, are not cut and they don''t cover. They are fallen women like Christian, Jewish and Hindu women.

Al Qaeda I believe are true Muslims. The Taliban were true Muslims. The leaders of Iran , the holy clerics are good Muslims.
A good Muslim can never tolerate democracy, only Allah''s rule is sufficent. Secular democracies talk of freedom of religion but this allows people to stray into evil. Only a government that is of Allah is worth defending.

Good women of America please be modest. Ideally wear a burqa but at least cover your head with a scarf and don''t let men see your body, only a long dress is sufficent.
Only a covered and cut woman has salvation and pleases Allah. Obey your husband. Only your husband should see you uncovered and all Muslim women should marry and have children for Allah. This can make them true Muslims.
God is great! Praise Allah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Could you enlighten us on a couple of things Hassam?? What is a cut Woman??

And if you consider a Secular Democracy to be Evil, Why are you here??

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FWIW, Saddam Hussein is not a socialist. If he is anything other than a meglomaniac despot, he is an national-socialist, which is something of a different order entirely.

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"the ridiculous, immature behaviour exhibited in Europe recently"

That would be *disagreeing* with GWB's view would it? Maybe we don't always agree with the views of other nations' leaders, but do we deny them the right to express those views? Isn't that what happens in Iraq?

France and Germany are sovereign states with as much right to adopt foreign policy postions as the US or UK, IMHO...
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Western Europe is developing into a European Union.
The individual contries within this union do not have the kinds of foreign policy (UK excepted) that are going to create enemies. Peace is a pre-requisite of union and a sign of civility, not stupidity. A sign that security will arise through diplomacy and the application of justice. These are honourable goals.
On the practical side, in terms of trade, one of the objectives of having a single currency (the Euro) is to increase trade by and from the countries that share that currency.
With regard to oil, it is better to have good relationships (political & trade) with the Middle-East than antagonise them by interference in their political affairs.
With regard to trade with the US, there are too many conditions attached. We had rather deal with the eastern world - and are increasingly doing so.
Bravo the European Union.

I do not believe the US are taking Iraq to war (a) for it’s oil (b) to liberate the Iraqi people from the dictatorship of SH. Remember the “axis of evil” speech on 12-Sep-2001. The list of US targets was read out by Bush and he left no one in any doubt that he was going after these countries. Being the world super-power, who was going to take him on? “You’re either with us or against us”. No discussion, no evidence, no moral justification. No wonder they burn the US flag. No wonder they burn effigies of Bush (and now Blair).

Funny how it was the US & UK who created Israel. Funny how they fed, watered and otherwised propped up the evil that is SH. He is their invention. They created the monster they now mean to destroy. And so they should. Here are the keys.
(1) You create a dictator that will keep the Mid-East in turmoil for 20 years. You give him weapons, money and whatever support he needs. You sit back and watch the massacre. No blood on your hands, you say. It’s those fanatical fundamentalists.
(2) You create “contractual agreements” with the leader of key tribes in the Mid-East. You promise them power over huge land masses. You get their oil cheap and sell them your materialist ideology. You install your weapons of mass destruction, distraction and deception in the lands, homes and hearts. You will soon say: “They are not democracies – therefore we have the right to topple them”.
(3) Over a period of 30 years and after 68 UN resolutions have been flouted, Israel has the most powerful army in the Mid-East. It is a democracy, an ally, our friend, you say. You overlook and take out of circulation the facts, the death toll on each side. The generations who are growing poorer and poorer. The generations who are encroaching on the land and blood of others. You don’t use the term religious fundamentalists here. They are your friends, your allies. In fact, you will soon say that Israel is the only democracy in the Mid-East. You will conquer the Mid-East and hand it to Israel. You can do this. No one can stop you, and you will.

Now, just imagine if this happens, what will the world do? What can it do? The US is sooooo strong. The UK knows this but our “leaders” know the US agenda. They have taken the “with us or against us” message to heart.
So, who will win? Will the liars and hypocrites win?
Does Right have a hope against Might?
Can the ordinary person, whose opinion is dependant on what they are fed by the media even decide who is right or wrong? We are sold our opinions, we are even sold counter-arguments and their nicely worked out solutions.

As for the US imperialist agenda, those who refute the US is behaving in this manner need to convince me that the overt control of the World Bank, tied-aid, enforced trade embargoes, neo-colonialism via installed leadership, food sanctions….and I can go on all night and give you examples….are not the actions of an imperialist. The US stomps on the world. That is why it is hated by anyone who has a sense of self-worth and honour.

In terms of “ridiculous and immature behaviour”, the US has said that the display of US PoWs was inhumane and in contravention of the Geneva Convention. When suggested that the US was being hypocritical, a US government official (On Channel 4 news today) started moaning. When Jon Snow (the commentator) started talking about 600 prisoners in Guatanamo who were paraded and displayed with blindfolds, shackles on their hands and feet and plastic gags, the response from the American was “but they were not PoWs, they were non-military combatants. They were not in uniform”.
Ha Ha Ha. So they weren’t military, therefore no PoW rights, they aren’t civilians, so no civil rights (no trial) and obviously they aren’t human – so no human rights.
I am sorry for the US and Iraqi military personnel who have been taken prisoner. But those 600 in Guatanamo are in a league of their own. Their families don’t know where they are or what will become of them.
Arrogant injustice is the act of an imperialist and a dictator.
I hear you Bush and Blair with your big boots coming stomping. The bullies have entered the playground.
They are counting on us all to be cowards.
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God, I pray your wrong Uzma.

As an American, if what you say is true, I know that it is not what any Americans I know feel in their hearts...And I hear people every day expressing their consern for and hope for peace, and the health and wellbeing of others, not just in this country.

Maybe we are just nieve or misled by our media...But there are Millions and Millions of good people here (as well as all over the world).

Maybe America has the power to do as you say, But I pray your wrong about us.
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Sophie

Please don't misunderstand me.
I am NOT referring to the American people.
I know the American people want to just get on and live their lives happily and peacefully and not bother anyone else.

I am talking about those who are playing the "great game". The power behind the politics.

No blame attaches to the innocent.
Innocents were massacred on 9-11 as were innocents massacred in the holocaust as are innocents slowly being killed-off in Israel.

We let the so-called leaders take over the world and rule over us. They lord their power over us.
Our position is deep weakness and ignorance.

It is similar to the position of slaves, except that we have material comforts and freedom that we can do nothing of real consequence with to appease our sense of entrapment. Whole nations are anaesthesized by TV, shopping, dare I say it ...Hair Talk Forums....weapons of mass distraction.
We live our lives uncounsciously, safe within the protective dreams that are spun for us.

Our error/mistake/responsibility is that when the wake-up call comes, we don't want to know. We don't want our comfort shattered by the realization that while we sleep, atrocities are funded with our money and committed in our name.
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Well I'm hearing you better now, thanks Uzma...And I know your right.

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Interesting political posting from you folks..........

There always has been and always will be war. I see no evidence of that changing. Not that we are at war all the time, but it is part of what we do, along with many other things. It has never been different. After all, human beings are a kind of animal. The fact we can play music, build buildings, or program computers doesn't change our basic emotional/physical makeup. To some degree we are programmed towards hostility along with our other emotions.

Power competition and arraingments,( and sometimes conflicts), are inherent in us .There always has been and always will be complex political/social/economic problems that change from time to time.
Saddam was considered the lesser of two evils in the Iraq/Iran war by the West. Later after a variety of things happened and the political climate changed in ways that are very complex and that I could write for 100 pages about, including internal domestic political struggles in both Iraq and in the U.S. Congress, he had a falling out with the U.S.. . And it goes way beyond some of the simplistic statements made here.

Politics are in flux a little like human relationships. You can be in love with your spouse and two years later want to kill them and end up getting divorced. Been there done that.
Germany and Japan were Americas bitterest enemies in the 1940s. We lost 500,000 men fighting them. By 1960 they were some of our staunchest allies.
Personally I admire the Arabs more than some of the western Europeans like the French and Germans. The Arabs, in many ways, are more like Americans than some of our allies in western Europe. Arabs are more family orientated and have more kids than western Europeans. So do Americans . Arabs are generally religious and have a high ratio of Mosque attendance percentagewise just as Americans have a high percentage of churchgoers compared to western Europe. Arabs are generally more conservative than western Europeans in their social views . Americans are also generally more conservative than other western countries. In fact before 9/11 occured the conservative Republican Party in the U.S worked Arab neighborhoods hard for votes because they liked their conservative attitudes. Many Arabs vote Republican, much more than some ethnic groups.

Today we regard the very liberal societies of western Europe as friends and allies but this may not last. Americans, despite being mostly Christian , really have a mind set much more like the Arab world than the western European world. We believe in democracy but we really are pretty conservative, even many of our Democratic Party people would be considered conservative in Europe.
That is another reason that Americans are drawing closer to Latin America than western Europe. The Latins have more conservative social views than the Europeans. It's not just money that attractes nations and cultures to each other and determines political co-operation.
My prediction is that 10 years or so from now the politics/social/economic circumstances will change again and America will be much closer not only to Latin America but also to the conservative Arab world than to the liberal European world that most Americans (outside of a few liberal areas on our coasts) can't relate that much to.
Every survey indicates that Americans have trouble relating to the agnostic religious and liberal social views of Europeans. It is obvious that Americans are gradually pulling away from western Europe and more towards conservative societies. I personally don't think the Nato Alliance will last much longer.
Of course I could be wrong.

I know one thing for certain though and I have been around long enough to know this: ........the explanations given by either right wing or left wing idealists are usually only partial truths. The situation is usually much more complex than that.

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Uzma:

You wrote that poverty is increasing in the Muslim world. This is true, although not entirely because of the reasons you state.
Most parts of the world are racing ahead of the Muslims economically. Some people believe this is because most of the world is now democratic and most Muslim countries aren't.
I don't think that is it. China is not democratic and it has greatly reduced poverty and has high economic growth.
Some people believe the population has grown too fast in the Muslim world and that is the reason for the increase in poverty. That is only a partial explanation. The U.S., some Latin American countries and some Far East countries have grown just as fast in population in the past two decades as many Muslim countries.
Nor is it "American Imperialism". Americans influence everyone everywhere : socially, politically and economically. Yet many of these nations we influence, that we are "Imperialistic" to, are thriving more than ever with great increases in longevity, job growth and standard of living.

The problem, in a nutshell , in the Muslim World, particullarily in the Mid-East and Mediterranean rim, is the lack of diversity of economy. The Mid-east is too much of a one note Johnny economically. It is far too dependent on oil revenues, and the Mid-East unlike for example the East Asian nations, and to some degree even India and Latin America , have not developed a diverse and broadbased industrial/technological, high tech job and business base. Your politics aren't completely offbase Uzma but you won't get far just ranting and raving about the Zionest Israelis and the Imperialist Americans. That is really very old stuff. Most of the world has moved way beyond that and is involved in the new international economy and doesn't even worry about what America, much less Israel, thinks or does.
Like a Chinese government official I heard on the radio today said when asked about the Mid-East circumstances . He said "we don't really have a dog in that fight". Most countries and people in the world don't let whatever good or nasty things America is doing at the moment really phase them. They are busy with their own creative ideas; their own businesses' jobs, families,etc........ The old left wing "blame the imperialist" rhetoric won't get you far in solving the Muslim world's problems.
A more diverse economy will.
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Uzma:

You wrote that poverty is increasing in the Muslim world. This is true, although not entirely because of the reasons you state.
Most parts of the world are racing ahead of the Muslims economically. Some people believe this is because most of the world is now democratic and most Muslim countries aren't.
I don't think that is it. China is not democratic and it has greatly reduced poverty and has high economic growth.
Some people believe the population has grown too fast in the Muslim world and that is the reason for the increase in poverty. That is only a partial explanation. The U.S., some Latin American countries and some Far East countries have grown just as fast in population in the past two decades as many Muslim countries.
Nor is it "American Imperialism". Americans influence everyone everywhere : socially, politically and economically. Yet many of these nations we influence, that we are "Imperialistic" to, are thriving more than ever with great increases in longevity, job growth and standard of living.

The problem, in a nutshell , in the Muslim World, particullarily in the Mid-East and Mediterranean rim, is the lack of diversity of economy. The Mid-east is too much of a one note Johnny economically. It is far too dependent on oil revenues, and the Mid-East unlike for example the East Asian nations, and to some degree even India and Latin America , have not developed a diverse and broadbased industrial/technological, high tech job and business base. Your politics aren't completely offbase Uzma but you won't get far just ranting and raving about the Zionest Israelis and the Imperialist Americans. That is really very old stuff. Most of the world has moved way beyond that and is involved in the new international economy and doesn't even worry about what America, much less Israel, thinks or does.
Like a Chinese government official I heard on the radio today said when asked about the Mid-East circumstances . He said "we don't really have a dog in that fight". Most countries and people in the world don't let whatever good or nasty things America is doing at the moment really phase them. They are busy with their own creative ideas; their own businesses' jobs, families,etc........ The old left wing "blame the imperialist" rhetoric won't get you far in solving the Muslim world's problems.
A more diverse economy will.
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Hello Brent! Glad you wrote! You are another smart one!
We are really getting some interesting viewpoints here aren't we! I don't know if any of us are really right but at least we are using our thinking caps!


I agree with you on some things and disagree on others Brent.


For sure we are getting ever more connected to Latin America and growing further away from Europe. And we are for sure more conservative than Europe. Over 1/2 of Americans attend church every week. I read that in Europe it is 2% weekly church attendance, which is unfathomable to most Americans! We do have larger family sizes and more immigrants, especially from Latin America, and we are growing rapidly in population and in economic growth.

Europe's population is stagnant and in some countries even declining. And because their economy is more socialistic and regulated than ours they don't have the job growth we have and have chronically higher unemployment. But their government does provide more services but they pay for it with higher taxes.

I have to disagree with you Brent about the Muslim world though. Europe's major ethnic minority and immigrant group is Arab Muslims. In the U.S. it is Christian Hispanics. The U.S. is less than 2% Muslim. The Western Hemisphere is 1% Muslim. That is very different than Europe or the Middle East.

We are more conservative like the Arabs but we are very Christian. It is very hard for most Americans to understand the Arab world. As soon as we switch off of oil to alternative fuels, which we eventually will do, I think we will have little to do with either Europe or the Middle East. And has been mentioned on this thread already, most of our trade is with Canada, Mexico, Latin America and the Buddhist countries of eastern Asia, whom we don't seem to have many problems with. In fact the East Asians are so good at business and science and so easy to get along with, that most Americans enjoy doing business with East Asians. European-Americans that I know seem to like the Chinese and Japanese better than they like their fellow white Europeans from Europe. The exception to that may be the Brits and the Irish whom everyone in America seems to like better than other Europeans.

I agree with you that most of the world progresses whether America is "Imperialist" or not. Most of the riots and hysteria over American policy( other than liberal wealthy kids on college campuses) is in Western Europe or the Muslim world. The rest of the world doesn't care that much especially Latin America and East Asia.

I was talking with my fiancee tonight Brent . He read somewhere on the internet that 40 million people worldwide have attended anti-war rallies against U.S. and British policies. That sounds like a huge number until you realize that there are 6.2 billion people in the world. 40 million isn't even 1% of the world!

Even if most of the world doesn't like the war, you are right, they have other things they are doing in their working and personal lives. Just like we read about some problem between the Catholics and Protestants in northern Ireland or the Hutus and Tutsis in Rawandha, and we say "that's too bad" then we go on with our lives.

You can't take the problems of the whole world on your shoulders, it's too big a world with too many conflicts and problems.


Uzma thinks the whole world hates America but they listen to our music, eat our hamburgers, and watch our movies practically everywhere! And most of them COULD CARE LESS about America OR the Middle East. They have got their own problems.

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Uzma thinks the whole world hates America but they listen to our music, eat our hamburgers, and watch our movies practically everywhere!


GOD!!!! That's it!!! I've been soooo blind and stupid.....and SIMPLISTIC.

Thank you Lady Maria, for putting me right.

Project Liberation Afganistan and Iraq and.."add the next country"...and "add the next seven countries" are all about saving these poor, misguided people from their own crap music and un-nutritious diets and unwholesome culture.
I should have known. Doh.

It's been a day full of such insights. In fact someone else "liberated" me from my false ideas about history today. See for yourself:


1. How come that the most up-todate ship of the time, the "Titanic",could
be sunk by a puny iceberg? George W. finally found the answer. It was
Saddam's grandfather who designed the murderous iceberg. When the sunken
hull of the Titanic was discovered, they found among the wreckage an
instruction booklet, in Arabic, titled "How to Pilot Icebergs," along with
an Iraqi passport, both in perfect condition.

2. How could Japan attack Pearl Harbor with US intelligence unable toforesee
the tragedy? Now we know! Saddam's father planned it with the Japanese and
managed to befuddle the Americans. This is according to evidence passed on
to Bush by Sharon, whose honesty and reliability Bush can never doubt.
Sharon's was basing his information on transcripts of telephone
conversations between Iraqi and Japanese military given to him by one of the
UN inspectors to Iraq, who was doubling as a Mossad agent, who in turnhad
received them from the vindictive first husband of one of Saddam's current
wives.

3. The CIA finally discovered that the WW2 kamikaze Japanese pilots were
trained in Afghanistan to conduct suicide missions. This was confirmed
by documents found in Mulla Omar's presidential compound.

4. Harvey Lee Oswald who killed John Kennedy was not a lone operator. He
had trained at the al Qaeda camps located South of Baghdad. These camps
have since moved to Afghanistan because Saddam demanded rent for leasing the
facility to al Qaeda. This was revealed to Ashcroft by one of the detainees
in Guantanemo Bay.

5. Timothy McVeigh, who was convicted of the Oklahoma bombing, was actually
born in Tikrit, Iraq, and is a distant cousin of Saddam Hussain. His
original name is Tamim MacTikrit. Jerry Falwell had the full story revealed
to him in one of his trances which puts him in direct communication with the
God of Evangelical Christians. For those who are not yet aware, the God of
Falwell is more senior to the God that we all believe in, or so Falwell
claims, hence he has the final word in any celestial dispute.

6. World War II was in fact started by Saddam Hussain's family. Hitler
studied military strategy at Habbaniya in Iraq, which is close to where
Saddam' father lived. That is also where Hitler learned the secrets ofthe
atom bomb, but was unable to design one in time because the instructions
which he carried away with him were in Arabic and the only ones who could
read and translate Arabic into German were German Jews and Hitler
wouldn't trust them.

7. Research is being undertaken now by Condoleezza Rice along with theFBI,
the CIA and the Bush family to determine if any of Saddam Hussain's
family were responsible for WWI. They have already determined that none of
Saddam's family were responsible for the Korean War, but there is some
doubt about the Vietnam war. Documents leaked out of Russia after the collapse
of Communism turned up a picture of Ho Chi Minh shaking hands with the Iraqi
ambassador at a reception in Moscow. Now everybody is waiting for
confirmation from Jerry Falwell when he goes into one of his periodic
communications with heaven. But William Safire of the NY Times is not
waiting for heavenly confirmation, he insists that the picture is
irrefutable evidence of Iraq's involvement.
Uzi

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Whaaat??? Uzma?

What was all that about?




I really enjoyed your posts Brent, Thanks.

I've enjoyed all of these posts....
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Your writing made some sense Uzma until this last post. Your logic is all over the place.

I don't know you Uzma but my impression is you are, for whatever reason, very bitter. Many people are. I'm sorry about that.
It's really not the end of the world. I am sorry you are so filled with rage.

Thanks Sophie.
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Brent and Sophie,

Uzma was attempting to be clever. You know, sarcastic.

This thread was an interesting conversation for awhile. It's sort of deteriorating into emotional jibberish. When it just gets to be anger and sarcasim not much of anything interesting gets said.

But as I initially said, I just hope the war gets over as soon as possible with a minimum of causalities.
I don't know if that is going to happen the way things are going.

I hope my cousin, Ingrid's brother , and other friends and relatives of people on this board make it home safe and that the war is over soon.
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