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    Posted: January 12 2000 at 2:14am
I had a new job. The president was a woman with very short blond hair and her husband was my boss. I spotted her husband checking me out one day when I wore a red dress. She turned ice cold when she talked to me. Friday I was called in and a bunch of crap was handed to me to the reason why I am not longer needed. The chicken shit husband was no where in sighht. On e the ex-co worker that was with the company for ten years quit two days before. That coworker phoned me and told me that one of the main reasons that I was chased out was that the president's husband had a thing for me. I didn't even flirt with him. My question is to all the females .Have you come to the conclusion that its harder to work with females than males because the way you look? I came to that conclusion . My next job I will search to be more with men than women. Men don't mind if you are kind of cute but women , claws , hell etc come out . I want to know if this is a common problem for us females.
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> I had a new job. The president was a woman> with very short blond hair and her husband was> my boss. I spotted her husband checking me out> one day when I wore a red dress. She turned ice> cold when she talked to me. Friday I was called> in and a bunch of crap was handed to me to the> reason why I am not longer needed. The chicken> shit husband was no where in sighht. On e the> ex-co worker that was with the company for ten> years quit two days before. That coworker phoned> me and told me that one of the main reasons that> I was chased out was that the president's husband> had a thing for me. I didn't even flirt with him.> My question is to all the females .> Have you come to the conclusion that its> harder to work with females than males because> the way you look? I came to that conclusion .> My next job I will search to be more with men> than women. Men don't mind if you are kind of> cute but women , claws , hell etc come out . I> want to know if this is a common problem for us> females.> were you employement at will? were you given an explaination...if not call a good lawyer. Believe or not the more females that dominate a work place the more back-biting there will be.Unsigned, MBA
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Don't bother calling a lawyer.What happened to you was unprofessional and unfair. But it wasn't illegal. At least, there's no such precedent.The Supreme Court has even ruled that employment decisions based on sexual relationships or attraction do not constitute illegal harassment. (This means that if I'm sleeping with someone in my department--or even just think he's hot--and decide to give him a lot of perks and promotions on that basis, his unfortunate co-workers have NO legal recourse.) Since Diane's situation can't be categorized as either "quid pro quo" ("Sleep with me or else....") or a hostile environment, she wouldn't have a case. It's been tried, and it's failed.If you work in an at-will employment state, as most of us do, you have next-to-no protection. I can fire you because you wear purple too much, because you're prettier than me, or because you have a Garth Brooks bumper sticker on your car. The only things I can't safely fire you for are certain protected statuses: your age, ethnicity, gender, race, religion, and in some places, your sexual orientation. These aspects of a person are protected under the Civil Rights Act and other antidiscrimination laws. And I can't fire you for certain Union activites/affiliations, or retaliate against you for filing a lawsuit against me.As the editor of a professional publication for office professionals, I'm working on a related story. A lot of employees who have been terminated for reasons concerning their physical appearance are fighting back. These people include:** Women with multiple-braided, "black" hairstyles who were told the look was too faddish. (This may turn into a Civil Rights case.)** People who dyed their hair "unnatural colors."** People who shaved, bleached, or beaded their hair.** Men with long hair.** People with piercings and tattoos.What most people don't realize is that employers still have a lot of legal leeway to discriminate.Ally
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Hello.The reason that the president came me Friday was that my job was deleted. I was only there almost three months. She also mentioned that she would like to have four of her type of personality running the company. She said that in the long run my calm personality would drive her nuts. She couldn't knocked me down the way I dealt with the staff nor how I dealt with clients, nor she couldn't knock down my attitude. She felt that she should have hired a secretary. She couldn't even give me a description of the new job type of thing as she doesn't know if she is coming or going. It still doesn't help knowing all that from her and It really didn't help when I heard from an ex worker that been there for ten years that it was my looks that made the president insecure.
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Diane,Sorry to hear of your recent misfortune.Ally is exactly right in her post. Employers can and do discriminate any way that they want to. Where I work men with long hair are discriminated against and they don't even know it. The top executive are conservative male accountants and I was in a meeting where they were deciding which of the engineering staff to send to a client presentation. I heard them make derogatory comments about two of the men that have ponytails. I was shocked because I was so naive.I talked in private to the HR Director later. She warned me to stay out of it (I am just a little sales person) and that it happens all the time in all kinds of ways. I feel like I should tell the two guys but I know that would probalby be the end of me.So while they think having long hair doesn't affect them, I know that they are being discriminated against and they don't even know it. I would not be surprised if they both don't lose their jobs soon. However, I am sure it will never be explained that it is because they look "too unprofessional or unacceptable to the executives".It happens all the time as I am finding out.Also I agree with none. The women give me more trouble than the men.Christine>> Hello.> The reason that the president came me Friday> was that my job was deleted. I was only there> almost three months. She also mentioned that she> would like to have four of her type of personality> running the company. She said that in the long> run my calm personality would drive her nuts.> She couldn't knocked me down the way I dealt with> the staff nor how I dealt with clients, nor she> couldn't knock down my attitude. She felt that> she should have hired a secretary. She couldn't> even give me a description of the new job type> of thing as she doesn't know if she is coming> or going. It still doesn't help knowing all that> from her and It really didn't help when I heard> from an ex worker that been there for ten years> that it was my looks that made the president insecure.>
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> Diane,> Sorry to hear of your recent misfortune.>> Ally is exactly right in her post. Employers> can and do discriminate any way that they want> to. Where I work men with long hair are discriminated> against and they don't even know it. The top executive> are conservative male accountants and I was in> a meeting where they were deciding which of the> engineering staff to send to a client presentation.> I heard them make derogatory comments about two> of the men that have ponytails. I was shocked> because I was so naive.> I talked in private to the HR Director later.> She warned me to stay out of it (I am just a little> sales person) and that it happens all the time> in all kinds of ways. I feel like I should tell> the two guys but I know that would probalby be> the end of me.> So while they think having long hair doesn't> affect them, I know that they are being discriminated> against and they don't even know it. I would not> be surprised if they both don't lose their jobs> soon. However, I am sure it will never be explained> that it is because they look "too unprofessional> or unacceptable to the executives".> It happens all the time as I am finding out.>> Also I agree with none. The women give me> more trouble than the men.> ChristineHi,I know you are both right. I am also aware that men can have it harder in same way. For example over here if you want to be an accountant like a CA or CGA many firms have a contract that says that one can't have a beard or have a certain length of hair . This only applies to men.to Christine,If I were in your shoes I wouldn't tell my co-worker that I knew he won't have the opportunity to make that representation but if that co-worker came to me and asked me what he can do than I would be honest and tell him what I heard. I certainly wouldn't tell him at work. I would invite that person after work. Also you have to trust your co worker. What happens if you tell and your name is mentioned when they confront management. I used to believe that we should defend each other , now I see that its very rare as many people are selfish and only think of themselves. I am not saying you are selfish. YOu have bills to pay etc. Its like the person that told me during the weeknd that she knew I was heading out of the door. She quit two days before and she wanted to warn me. I told her that its was best that I didn't learn it from my co-worker because it would have ruined my whole week. Christine those male co-workers are gaining experience one way or the other but one day they will fight for that presentation and the snakes make up escuses. Plus its very much a learning experience for you . My father always told me in life when he was alive that to win life you need to know how to become a excellent chess player.
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4 of the same type of personality breeds groups think and shift. In some businesses like pharm do better than men.> Diane,> Sorry to hear of your recent misfortune.>> Ally is exactly right in her post. Employers> can and do discriminate any way that they want> to. Where I work men with long hair are discriminated> against and they don't even know it. The top executive> are conservative male accountants and I was in> a meeting where they were deciding which of the> engineering staff to send to a client presentation.> I heard them make derogatory comments about two> of the men that have ponytails. I was shocked> because I was so naive.> I talked in private to the HR Director later.> She warned me to stay out of it (I am just a little> sales person) and that it happens all the time> in all kinds of ways. I feel like I should tell> the two guys but I know that would probalby be> the end of me.> So while they think having long hair doesn't> affect them, I know that they are being discriminated> against and they don't even know it. I would not> be surprised if they both don't lose their jobs> soon. However, I am sure it will never be explained> that it is because they look "too unprofessional> or unacceptable to the executives".> It happens all the time as I am finding out.>> Also I agree with none. The women give me> more trouble than the men.> Christine
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