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    Posted: May 22 2004 at 7:19pm
Here is my saga

My hair is medium to light brown, and going gray on the top and at the temples. It is brastrap length in the back, and long angled layers around my face. I have colored my hair with either semi or permanent color over the years, and sometimes had it highlighted, but the last few times I had it done at the salon it was very expensive, and was too light…if it is just a little it brightens my face, but if it is too light, I look washed out.

So, I got a coulour expert kit and highlighted it, but it there were 4 problems….one, it only did the top of my hair, and I wear my hair different ways and part it differently and when I did it looked funny. 2, the roots were lighter than the ends that didn’t take the color as well. 3, it was butterscotch orangy. 4, with that mascara type wand, it was hard to keep the little strands the same size so the highlights are VERY uneven

So, I went to Sally’s and got a bleach highlighting kit with a 30 volume developer.. I also got a little thing of red gold corrector to add to the bleach. I tried to “touch up” the same strands to lighten the ends and get the orange out. The color was much better, but I STILL didn’t have much highlights at all at the ends. So, worked on it a third time, pulling back the top portion and doing the sides. They look better, but still not as light as the top…actually the top is a little too light and I like the sides.

So what to do?

I’ve thought about totally coloring my hair brown with permanent and starting over.

I’ve thought about pulling some of the too-light blond hair on the top of my head through a cap and “lowlighting” it with a cool brown shade to tone it down and make it match the rest.

I’ve thought about using a blonde semi-permanent to put mostly on the roots, then through the ends to blend it in better that wouldn’t lighten my dark hair that much.

Are any of these good options that wouldn’t damage my hair, or do you have another suggestion?

Then in regards to what I do NOW is what I do when the roots come in, and I have to retouch…how do I keep the roots from getting to bright again, even though I figured out how to not get the color orange ?

My hubby lost his job, so I really don't have the 100 bucks right now to have this fixed. IF the top was a little lighter, I would just leave it. Thanks ahead of time for your helpQ
Lori
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Hi, I'm not a stylist - just a do-it-yourselfer. But, I have kind of a similar thing going on with my hair. First of all, I'm impressed that you could use a wand and get decent results. Whenever I have tried that I get yucky bleed through dots and stripes on my surrounding hair. I have had to learn how to use foil to maike highlights. I don't like the caps because I don't have as much control.

Here is what I have learned from the boards:

1. Hair closest to your head develops higher and faster because of the heat from your head. So, bleach should be applied to the shaft and ends first and alllowed to process; the roots later to get the most even color. (And p.s. - I found this to be tricky when using foil - could use some pointers here)

2. Sounds like your hair is the typical warmish brown that goes nice and orange if you bleach it. I didn't know you could add a color corrector to bleach. I'm going to look into that, but it sounds like the color you need to add is blue. Apparently our hair is made up of blue, red, and yellow basically. When you bleach, blue is the first to disappear; red is the most resistant to bleaching. So, in order fo control the orange, blue has to be replaced. Maybe a color expert can help us both on this?

3. I don't think it sounds like you should do perm color over your whole head and "start over." That's basically what I did and ended up with the same problem only darker--the roots were still lighter than the rest of my hair. Had to use a color stripper to get the dark out of the shafts and ends of my hair because they went too dark and it dried my healthy, fine hair significantly.

4. If your roots are too light, I like your idea of getting a semi-perm color to just deepen the roots (less damaging because of the low-volume developer)--and then comb lower at the very end to blend. That's what I'm planning to do. My roots are still too light and orangey. I bought Color Charm Ash Blonde semi-perm. The ash (blue/yellow) will hopefully be just the ticket. It's hard to find just blue-based anything. I'm finding that you get to choose from ash (blue/yellow) or violet (blue/red). I would rather take my chances with ash than anything that might add more red. I am also using a bottle, not a brush to apply this time to get more control so that I only get the roots, not the rest of my hair. But,again, maybe someone can help us on this.

5. Next, as my roots grow out, I am planning to use a perm color (L'Oreal Excellence Creme - Dark Blonde #7) with a 20 volume. I read the manufacturers color book about it and it is blue based. Last time I used a 30 volume and it made my roots too light. But, I hear that gray hair needs more of a 30 devl...so, maybe it depends on how much gray you have. ???

I wrote a post similar to this - "I need minor correction help" or something a few days ago, you might want to read. My hair looks pretty good now. Quite Jennifer Annistor like with the corrections that I made. I was using 40 developer with bleach for my highlights, but tried 20 this time and I think it came out a little more natural looking.

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I'm revising my plan:

On the hair that is bleached so high that it is light yellow and just needs a little bit of tone to get it the right shade, I'm using a neutral (N) color - not ash.

I will use the ash in places that are more orangey - like where I might need a few lowlights.
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I think I"m going to pull strips through the cap on top and lowlight it with semi-permanant. That sounds like the best deal. I would be interested to hear how you do foils at home, especially in the back. I know the cap has fallen out of favor, but it seems like it would be the easiest to control, if you could get someone to pull a few strands in the top layers of the back/crown area. Plus, if I put the lowlight color on the roots first, then through the rest of the strands only for a few minutes, then it will maybe have more color deposited. The remaining question is what to do next time when I touch up the roots as they grown out, and how to control the color.
BTW, the stuff I used I found at Sally's and it was called red/gold corrector, and it was violet. I DO want a little yellow so it will look golden honey, I just don't want the red.
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Hi, yah...the foils aren't very easy to use. But, the cap has it's problems too...bleed through onto surrounding hair and a lack of precision. I decided to just get good at foils. I'm ok at it. I don't highlight the back of my hair...just the front and sides plus a couple on top. The danger is not getting it into your eye when working around the front!!

I may end up giving up and going to the hairdresser who encouraged me to come in to do just my highlights. I don't know...I hate spending the money.

Anyway, I posted a new thread because this last batch of highlights I did came out a little orangey. I like the level though 7 or 8. Want to know how to keep the level (not add color), but the change the tone, I guess (remove some of the orange). See "Get Rid of Red But Not Deepen."

BTW - my friend said that I did my highlights better than the hairdresser. Wow. But, it's such a mess. I have ruined 3 towels now, a pair or shorts, and a t-shirt. :( I bought a cape awhile ago, but do you think I thought to USE it? Ummm...negatory. :o)

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give us a lesson on foil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i cant use the semi permanant color over bleach.....says it could discolor . Are yall sure I cantuse perm color??????????????????
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A foil lesson...hmmm...pretty hard with just words. I'll try.

I take common kitchen foil and rip 5"x5" squares. Then I take a rattail comb (the pointy end) and section off about a 1.5" wide x 1/4" thick section of hair. I use the end to weave in and out of the top layer of that section little strands of hair (however big you want the highlights to be -- I like very thin highlights--not chunky).

Then, I take the foil and fold it over the length of the comb and pull the comb right up to my scalp (underneath the layers I just sectioned). I take a brush and coat the shaft to the ends (try to avoid the roots).

Then I fold the right side of the foil inward, then the left, then bend the whole packet upward.

I skip a section of hair and do highlights on the section after that. I only do 4 or 5 at a time. It's all I can handle by myself.

If any bleach gets on surrounding hair, I try to wipe it off with a damp washcloth. If I bleaches out a spot somewhere by accident, I cover with perm dark blonde + 20 volume. Fixes it right up.

I don't know about putting semi-perm over bleached hair. I'm guessing it's alright to do, but someone else who knows hair better should probably answer that.
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I have had the same problem with that highlighting kit with the horrible mascara wand. I hate it. My hair is (was) the same color brown as yours before my highlighting fiasco, and there was nothing I could do to fix it. The only thing I could do was dye it all brown, and then go to a salon (later on) to see what they thought. I had brown low lights put in on top of my dye, I am still dealing with the nasty after effects 8 months later. The highlights will not come out, and I have half and half hair. The only thing I am doing now is cutting it shorter and shorter until it grows out, and dyeing it semi permanant brown as much as my hair will let me. I hope I don't scare you, but please do not mess with these highlights again. Those mascara wand home kits are horrible unless you are a trained professional.
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