QuoteReplyTopic: GL for Volume Posted: November 18 2004 at 11:59pm
I just got 100 Great Lengths bonds put in today for volume. I have about 2 rows on the bottom of my shoulder length hair but the rest is on the sides and top. It's parted on the side so it looks thicker.
The reason I chose extensions is that my hair is thinning on the top (I'm only 41). In 2000 I was diagnosed with uterine cancer. I had a total hysterectomy, which put me immediately into menopause and I had 6 grueling months of chemotherapy.
Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about the extensions. I just got them put in today but my hair looks stringy and greasy and the cut looks very choppy - not blended. Please tell me that this will go away. I've read all the posts on GL and I'm hoping that after I can wash it, the hair will blend in with my own.
I'm just so scared that I won't like them - that they are not what I expected. For me, this was a major decision and major cost. Has anyone ever had their extensions removed because they didn't like them right from the start? I'm gonna hang in here and give it some time but as of now, I'm not very happy.
I would love to hear from anybody that has used GL for volume not length. Please respond and let me know your experience.
P.S. I'm so glad I found this site. It's been a tremendous wealth of information. Take care.
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Hi, I'm sorry to hear you don't like your GLs and that you're having a difficult time with thinning. Without actually seeing your hair, I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but I have a few thoughts on the matter. I have gotten many kinds of extensions to add thickness, not length, myself, with mixed results.
Generally, I wouldn't recommend GLs or any other heated/fusion method for thinning hair; it's just too damaging. Also, if the thinning is on the top, any kind of extensions are going to be tricky because the further up on the head they're placed, the more visible they are.
As far as I know, the best method for those who have actual hair loss caused by chemo is known as "hair integration" (there are several different companies that do this, and it may also be known by other names). Be warned, though, that this is very expensive (like $3000, plus a lot of maintenance--like every two weeks). It's a sort of thin, webbed, almost fishnet-like cap that is woven into your roots against your scalp, with hair coming out of the webbing--almost like an invisible wig is being built on your head. A friend of mine had this and said it looked incredible, but again, the price is outrageous, so this is only a good solution if you have the money. I believe there are hair boards that discuss this method; I just don't know where.
Less-expensive solutions would include microbraids (which won't necessarily look better than the GLs, but would be much less damaging); you'd need an expert to do this, unless you're really good with DIY hair stuff. Or, you could buy the microlinks and Remy hair on Doc Locks site and do them yourself or with a friend (you don't need any expertise to figure it out). Microlinks slip a lot compared with fusion, but if you have all the supplies yourself, you can switch them out as needed and save a lot of money.
I know most of us don't want to wear wigs, which is why we dump all of this money into extensions, but it may be a good option to look into, especiallly if your thinning is on the top. The International Wig site has a good selection. I personally haven't had all that much luck with full-head wigs, but 3/4 falls and clip-on and drawstring ponytails can look great.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the cut, though. If you're unhappy with that, you should just demand to have it re-cut the way you want it, and given the amount of $ you've paid for this, the stylist should definitely have no probelm re-cutting. And it may look much better after washing--mine usually looks as good when I leave the salon as when I style it myself.
As far as removal, the GLs are probably going to be very hard to remove right now because they've just been put in. The removal, which basically involves acetone and needle-nose pliers, can be quite painful and result in a lot of hair loss. What I would do is wait two months (when the bonds have weakened a bit but the roots aren't too matted yet) and soak your roots in olive or baby oil for a night and have a friend carefully remove them. Just crack the shell with some needle-nose pliers and let the hair slip out (someone else on these boards gave more specific instructions on this). I haven't done this myself, but I've heard it works well; my experinecs at the salon with acetone were downright awful.
Good luck with your GLs. I hope they work out for you, but if not, look into other methods--GLs definitely aren't for everyone.
great lengths has a remover that is gel like and works really good at taking them out- no acetone- acetone remove other types of bonds great lengths uses a gel base high alcohol- it is gel so it sticks to the bond and does not get all over your hair.... if your stylist was using acetone which does not work on gl- maybe she or he was too cheap to buy the proper remover- i would look in to it cause it should not hurt- there was a post a while back about paris and her getting great lenghts she does and the salon she goes to is veredsalon.com check out the website... if she uses gl they can not be all bad like people like to post- i am sure she along with the other celebs posted on this website with there stylist would only buy the best!!!! to all that keep postinf that gl is a glue.... yes it melts on your hair but it is keratin base- when it is melting it does not stick to your fingers or stay hot- also if reheated it does not get sticky.... other prebond extensions that are glue get sticky in hot weather or rement when they get hot- for example lord and cliff - there is a huge difference in the bond and how they hold up--- bonds that get resticky when warmed will grab other hair not in the bond but around it and cause a mess. gl, and cinderella hair do not do this as they do not reheat.... fyi lord and cliffs remover is acetone based- if you use acetone on these bonds they crumble- used on gl nothing- alchol based remover on gl cause them to get soft realease the hair and slide out NO I DO NOT WORK FOR GREAT LEANGTHS- or do hair i do my own extensions at home on myself and have tried everything- granted i did go to school for hair and have a license i do not oractice though...hopes this helps- oh i have been doing my own extensions for 7 years and have used everything from gl, cinderella, lord and cliff, and micro links if you need to know where to buy any i will be happy to post as i have tried it all thanksagain
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GLs is VERY DAMAGING to hair that's thin, weak, damaged, color-treated, fine, or if you're trying to grow your hair out. The original poster has loss from chemotherapy, for god's sake--would you really recommend GLs?!
It's great if GLs works for you, but it's just irresponsible to recommend it to anyone whose hair is thin, weak, damaged, color-treated, fine, or is trying to grow their hair out.
It's common sense: Something's being bonded to your real hair with heat. Do you really think that's not going to damage your real hair?
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Wow! Jenny, you are a little rough. Telling me to "use common sense" geez, I was just asking a question. Maybe I'll just read the posts and not ask questions.
Exactly. Sorry if I offended you, Sleepy. I was responding to HelloKitty1. None of these methods or their effects are "common sense" until you've actually done them. But I'd think it would be common sense to HelloKitty1, who says she has experience with the GLs method, that anyone who's suffering from real hair loss or thinning shouldn't be using GLs.
About the acetone, every stylist I have talked to (ones who use GLs and those who don't) tell me that the gel remover contains acetone--even if it's not listed on the ingredients list that way. For more information, check this out: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hairgroove/message/478 (I also think people have posted about this subject on this board before.)
Either way, I am less concerned about the acetone or alcohol (which is somewhat drying and harsh chemically) than the possibility of mechanical breakage from removal. In my experience the GLs remover doesn't break down the bond very well and there's a lot of pulling and ripping during the removal process. For this reason, many stylists who use nonfusion methods refuse to remove fused extensions. It is also much easier to remove GLs after they've been in for a while; the bonds are stronger when they're first applied.
Most importantly, if you like them and they're working for you, that's great, Sleepy. As I said in my original post, I haven't actually seen your hair so I don't know exactly what the difficulty is. And if it's just an issue with the cut or styling, that can easily be fixed. Good luck!
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Ladies, thanks for the clarification. I'm new at these boards. Sorry for accusing you Jenny.
Just to let you know, I'm really loving my GL. The hair has this very cool wave to it. However, I still have a few questions.
1) Does the anti-tap go only on the bonds or all over my head. Because it's hard to get to the underneath bonds. So I just spray it all over my hair. What does the anti-tap do exactly? 2) Why can't I wash my hair with my head upside down. Sometimes when I'm in a hurry, I just soak my head under the tub faucet. What will happen if I wash my hair under the sink? Remember, it is only shoulder length - there's not much length added with GL. 3) My hair still looks stringy and somewhat greasy to me. My normal hair is neither of the above. Did anyone else have experience with that?
Well, thanks for letting me ask my questions. I did do a search but couldn't get enough info.
so even though people think i need to use common sense.... i still think great lengths is a great method i have very fine hair......it works great for me..... the anti tap should be applied all over your head make sure you mix it with the water and let it sit onyour head for a few minutes. it keeps hair ig good shape, keeps bonds from dreading, is anti static, and keeps hair from tangling, i always use the gl leave after the anti tap but i have extensions past my bra starp so i need it you might not
you are not supposed to wash your hair upside down i think because it might tangle if you was it vigorously- but since yours is short and not that many pieces it should be ok, just don't scruff up the hair when doing it
as for the the greasyness of it i am not sure- what shampoo are you using did you switch recently? maybe the bonds are moving around the oil glands giving your head more stimulation than normal.... this could be it- kinda like brushing your hair alot. oh- did you mix enough h20 with the anti tap? other than that i am not sure- kms has great deep cleaning shampoos that are okay with great lenghts- maybe try one once in a while.... i hope this help, and i hope you are enjoying your gl
Hey Sleepy. I don't know what anti-tap is; I've never heard of it before.
As far as not washing your hair upside-down, I would think (especially since you just got the GLs) this is because the bonds are all pointed downward, and washing your hair upside down might put added stress on the bonds and perhaps weaken them? It might also cause a little matting or tangles? Honesty, I don't think it would hurt too much to try it once.
As far as the hair looking greasy, I can't imagine why, except that all extensions are coated with silicone shine spray at first, and perhaps it will take a little while to wear off.
The "stringiness" you're talking about may be what I think of as the "pieceness" of extensions. One of the problems with all extensions (or at least interlocked ones) is that they're put in in "chunks," so to speak, so they tend to lay in individual chunks (rather than "blend" seamlessly with the rest of the hair). Blow-drying, curling, or flatironing can reduce this a bit. (I use all three, actually.) Perhaps someone knows some products to suggest? I'm really not an expert at styling, but maybe someone else on these boards has some good tips.
Again, I'm glad you're liking the GLs; good luck!
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hi ladies.. I have GLS and I to love them. I was told to use anti tap but I didnt like the way it made my hair feel so I stopped. Even without the anti-tap I never had a problem with mine, Hey sleepy, when i first had them put in I HATED THEM until I got use to it I couldnt do my own hair for like 2 weeks but it will all blend and soon you wont know they are there, its like they really do become a part of you, just remember if your hair is fine I wouldnt go any longer then 2 months before changing them becaure as your hair grows and the bond is moved down, you dont want a gap there , your fingers get caught and so will your brush which will pull from the root and will leave you with thinner hair, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP UP WITH THEM YOU WILL HAVE NO DAMAGE. dont listen if your stylist is telling you to keep them in longer. mine stay in 3 months but for your case i would say 2 also you should really use nioxin products they work great for thinning hair and they dont bother the extensions. well hope this helps.
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Thanks for the replys so far. What would I do without this great advice? I hope I'm not repeating myself, but I still have some other questions.
Regarding the anti-tap - What is the ratio with the anti-tap? 8 oz of water to one line on the anti-tap bottle? Can I mix up a batch and keep it in a spray bottle or do I have to mix it fresh each day? And it's specifically for bonds itself not necesarily on the hair, right? Because I am also using my Nioxin detangler spray. Maybe I'm using too many products, huh?
I love Nioxin products and have been using them for years. However, do you think I should use the Scalp Therapy? It's basically like conditioner for the scalp but with extensions, I heard conditioning the scalp is not a good idea. Any thoughts?
Jenny, I think you are correct about the "pieceness". It looks stringy to me but my hair is not greasy. I think I'm still adjusting to my extensions. Of course, like I said, maybe I'm using too many products. This is what I use. Nioxin shampoo, anti-tap, Nioxin detangler and Redken gel. That's not too many, is it?
Here's my last question (I hope!) Because I have extensions on both sides of my side part (top of my head), I think my hair looks extremely flat on the top. (Which is really the main reason I got extensions altho I know they aren't meant for volume). I have to keep my side part because my extensions were bonded in that direction so I can't ever part my hair down the middle or on the left side. Fortunately the side part suits me, but how can I poof up the top? There's such a defined part down the top of my head. I hope you all can undertand what I'm trying to say.
Do you ever put your photos on these message boards? I wouldn't know how to put mine on but I would love to see other "real" people with extensions - not just celebrities or the models for GL. I'm very interested in seeing pictures of extensions on ladies with shorter hair like mine.
My, that was a long post. Have a good evening!
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Did your stylist say it was OK to use the Nioxin Scalp Therapy? It might cause some slippage. GLs bonds are generally very secure (unlike hairlocs, Eurolocs, or microrings, which slip like crazy), but personally, I'd try to keep the conditioner away from the roots.
The best product I've found for adding volume is Bumble and Bumble Thickening Spray (it's about $20 a bottle, which is more than I usually spend on hair products, but it's the only product I'm willing to spend that much on).
I spray it on the roots of the top of my hair, near the part and in the crown, and then I blow-dry, pulling the hair upward (usually, I use a round brush, but either way works). Be careful near the extension bonds, though. It wouldn't cause slippage, but it could cause some matting; generally, I think it's best to keep the bonds as product-free as possible.
I don't think you're using too many products necessaily. I was actually told not to use Nioxin shampoo while I had GLs, but I don't remember why; if your stylist says it's OK, I'm sure it is.
If you're trying to enhance the curl, you might want to replace the gel with a curl-enhancer. I usually wear my hair straight, but I've heard good things about the curl-enhancing products by John Frieda, Texture, and Tigi. I also really recommend silicone shine spray (any brand will do), which keeps my extensions frizz-free, shiny, and managable.
Again, I'm glad you're liking your GLs, and good luck!
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