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Waggy,

I suggest you reread your words in this thread. You attach your own spin on others` words, often arguing against what was never said! You later stated as fact that I was ill-informed, yet never clarified your position.

I`m all for a good debate, but you need to understand that against which you are arguing.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, life in the military does not exist as life in the civilian world. There are, of course, many similarities, but much of what flows and ebbs in non-military life simply does not in the military and vice-versa. That particular concept is what I think you cannot or will not grasp.

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Aaah Jennifer - still at it, are we!!

I am familiar with life in the military so no need to "fill me in".

You are correct that I said you were ill informed (yes, I know, your hyphens are better than my hyphens) and that was in regard to your statements about what I need to do or do/do not know.

The fact is that every countries military is different.

The fact is that in many countries hair can be any length for men and women and in many countries women are not permitted in combat situations (I don`t agree with that either).

The fact is that many people in the military serve their time without EVER being in any situation that involves combat (contact type) except for training.

The fact is that in some of the countries that allow hair of all lengths for men and women it does NOT create a problem that is deemed in any way insurmountable and some of those countries ARE involved in combat situations quite regularly.

I`ll give this much: some of my earlier words were harsh.

Read what I was responding to and perhaps you will see why I didn`t bother to respond more "nicely" to some statements telling me to "read a map, watch the news, yada yada and what all I NEED to do". Also not very "nice", wouldn`t you agree?

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Well Waggy sorry that I missed the capital J for jewish. I guess I was typing to fast.
My point was and still is that if long hair in the Isreal army is allowed why isn`t the men wearing long hair? YOu claimed that they do have the choice to wear long hair in the army and maybe there is a tiny amount of men that do. ( 20?) But the leaders of the army etc all seem to have short hair. So in fact that proves to me right there that short hair in the army including the Isreal army all sees the need for short hair. Don`t you find that interesting how they can choose yet they prefer short hair? Maybe the rule isn`t so silly....
If long hair didn`t interfere with the operation of their duties we would see a lot more Isreal men in the army with long hair. The army by their pictures and the news have proven to me that they prefer short hair by far for the obvious reasons.
It would certainly would be interesting to see how many men and women in the USA, England, Canada etc would allow their hair to stay long if they had a choice or would decide that it prevents their performance. Look at our policewomen they prefer to cut their hair and yet they can have long hair if they wish.

For me I hold the memories of many in my heart. I respect the army, every year I honour the men that fought the first war etc. I go to church on that day etc. I have complete respect for anyone that chooses that path in life. It takes a lot of courage and strength to come forward and serve the country. I just wish you would appreciate those men and especially women who have been in combat and are in the history books. YOu certainly had no respect for the people I know that were and are in the army. You said so.

It is not a great career choice. It is more a choice of the heart to serve and protect the people of the country. Their lives are often affected when they leave the army. Lets us not knock down the real meaning of the whole process. I gathered that you resent that whole army attitude by your chosen words. Maybe you were child that was sick and tired of moving to country to country and never feeling that you had a home or can make friend long. It is a hard life and people in the army that stay in the army have the biggest heart in the world because they are willing to give.
It is also sad that you never understood Canadian`s culture. The USA is a beautiful place to live and Canada is not the same when it concerns culture etc. Another subject. As many Canadian thinks of their nationality first then they are Canadians.
May you a great New Years Waggy.

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Jennifer - you first - credentials please. Is that the game??? And shouldn`t you be asking which country??? But actually, what IS the point of that question anyway since we are only talking about where, to our knowledge it is OK for people to keep any length of hair and within what guidelines.

Actually Waggy I wish you wouldn`t be so defensive about it and answer the question because firstly you said that you wish that we would ask you questions. Secondly if you were in the army for six months, a year or whatever you could easily tell us what your experience has been like with hair in the woods, in the situations.
Thirdly still trying to figure out if you are a woman or a man? Yes it would matter to the whole discussion. It was your advantage to answer her question and educate her and me etc. You have made that point many times about educating. There you go. All speeds ahead. What is your experience with long hair in combat situations? I on the other hand do have some fun experience of being in the woods having fun combat and my hair was caught. That experience made me really think when I had to wipe off the paint off me......
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OK Diane - wagging along here.

I am female - 50 years old. I have a lot of experience with hair in the woods but not from the military. Moved a lot a child but parent were NOT in the military. Was married to one man who was actively in the military and am currently and forever married to a man who was an officer in the military, changed his mind and had a career with the federal government. Friend and athletic partner who was actively in the Navy - joined when it was mandatory to cut hair, found it a royal pain and grew hers out to waist length and kept it there while still in the Navy as a career. At this point the Navy no longer required women to cut upon recruitment.

Cousins in Israel - all the girl have served their two years, one is currently visiting (and therefore available for much questioning), she had her curly waist length hair the whole time she served and promptly cut it into a crop when she got out (go figure)!! Male cousin is career in the military there, had long hair to begin then cut, don`t know what`s up now.

Diane - I obviously didn`t make my point correctly or you didn`t understand my point or a combination of the two - because what you said two above was exactly my point - the rule is NOT necessary because people will choose whichever they find more appropriate anyway. I`m not objecting to the choice of short hair, I`m saying I don`t think the rule is necessary.

I also must say that in looking back I DO APOLOGIZE for my snarky comment regarding "who cares, etc." - I said it, but I didn`t mean it, and I am sorry.

I do think you owe me one too though for some of your original tone which made it sound like you thought I was an idiot (now you may indeed have thought that, but it wasn`t nice to point it out)...waggers
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I never thought you were an idiot Waggy. I think that verbal communication is still the best in life when people can hear and see the other person`s facial expressions. Computer communication will never come close to it.
Lots of hugs, sincerely
It would be such a plesure on another thread or privately to know how you took care of your long hair when you had it and how long was it etc.
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Back atcha!! Hey we have emoticons, yay.

I`ll try the Bm private message thing - Happy New Year...gabi
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wow, goodness gracious, all this over hair? =)
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Well Geez TAMMY - we gotta spice it up a little, eh?? ...gabi :=)
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I was in the service for awhile. The Navy does not require their female recruits to cut their hair. You just have to keep your hair above and off your collar. It cannot interfere with your cover. Your combo cover is supposed to sit to 1 inch above your ear. Your ball cap is just like any baseball cap. When you wear a male combo cover (for drilling, if you do that) your hair must be entirely inside the cover. I went to a service academy, so the rules for hair might have been a bit different, but they are probably simliar.
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what`s a combo cover
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When I was in the military with very long hair, I could secure it in less time than it takes most men to shave (which is requred in the US military.) Potatoes, your sister can learn to put her long hair up very quickly if she wants to keep it badly enough. (Is she in already? What did she decide to do?)

For the record, I would have joined anyway even if I had had to cut my hair. I did not have to, so why should I? Long hair actually ended up being a lot easier to deal with than my friends` hair. They always had to go to the beauty salon to keep it within regs (just like guys have to go to the barber every two weeks or so.) Me, I could just braid, tuck, and go. Even in deployments under less than ideal conditions.
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