Need Help in coloring mixing/ratios...

Hi, everyone i have few questions regarding hair coloring ratios/mixing.

Thank you, i really hate using bleach just cause of the damage it does. That's why i was thinking if used a single process color with 40vol that it should lift about 3-4 levels.  So, my friend doesn't have to use bleach on the roots? So she can use the high lift instead, that's great. I was worried it would go all orangy and stuff like most single process colors - but she never tried high lift color so i hope that works out.


For me and my black hair issue, do u think i have to bleach it to pale blond then dye caramel (i want it darkish caramel not blond caramel) or should i bleach it to a darker shade than pale blond? If i was to use bleach i was thinking of doing it in 2 steps using 30vol - 30 mins each until i get pale blond (do i have to lighten it up to pale blond even though i don't want my finished color to be light?)

Thanx again,

Nina

hey nina, i just reread your first entry...to go to a 6 level you by no means have to go past the orange shade then deposit....let me know what you are thinking about, and confirm level....will look in my book and see what it says after i hear back from you.

I forgot to ask you something. Have you ever used one of those Clear / colorless permanent color? It's used for glazing and glossing - the only thing is i dont know whether or not to use a developer with it (since it's colorless and doesnt need any lift) - but if you do need a devloper what vol do you use - i was thinking maybe 20vol? Wat do you think?

nina, sorry i haven't been on the computer...my mom is here for a visit...yes, i have some of the clear gloss...you do use a very low volume activator and it is supposed to be conditioning and does add shine if you get the right product....now, i use redken eq, but that is because i have a friend that is a cosmo and buys it for me.....matrix prisms is really not to good and i never had any luck w/clairol (oh, what is the name of that??)  well, they sell it at sallys....it did not work on my hair...now, let me see, what else....did you already do your hair??  if so, i am dying to know how it turned out for you...i hope great!!!!  i so feel for someone when things go haywire because i have been there....but what volume did you end up using?  40 is scary to me....i have used 30.....30 burned quite a bit....i have not ever used goldwell topchic.....how do you like it?  i know there is quite a bit of mixing with that line....when i go to cosmo school in dec, that is one of the colors that i will be learning with....wish i knew now so i would have more help to give you....let me know how it went!  loook forward to hearing from you nina....have a great day.

ooooooooooooo, that topchic sounds wonderful....wanna try it wannt try it.....my gosh, i am just hooked....your plan is great except for one thing....don't protein too much afterward because you can over proteinate the hair and could cause breakage....isn't that something??  was told by wes the cosmo about that, i didn't know that....other than that your plan sounds good....now, add some good thick conditioner to your bleach mixture.....trust me, that helps tons tons tons......i bet that blonde color was beautiful...my favorite thing is to turn people blonde....buttery, golden, silver....love it.....now are you just going to highlight your hair with this mixture?  doing the whole head?  fill me in...have to go fix dinner, don't like to cook and i married an eater...hows that?  he isn't fat but one day if he falls inactive, well, it won't be pretty....talk to you soon, i hope.

listen, when it comes to haircolor i ramble too...facinating...i am a bit intimiadated by goldwell because of the mixing thing....there are things to add to cover gray and such and i have never been able to study how it works....want to and will if i get that scholarship to eric fisher academy....but eric fisher himself saw my hair this one time and asked me who colored your hair?  i said, "i did" and the proceeded to tell me that i am a natural and then i started the saga of how i didn't color my hair for 42 years and then i do, because i had a few gray hairs....if i had it to do all over again i would have just highlighted my hair....had great natural color....i guess i could send a pic of it....but right now, because of "the disaster"  i started using redken shades eq....have you read about that product?  wow, it is outstanding....it's a demi, colors all my grays, leaves incredible shine.....and the COLORS!!!  i got to go into peels (that is the state store where cosmos shop and you can't come in without a licence...amber and i, well ok, i came up with a little scheme to get me in there and it worked and i was in there twice.....but i had to pick out that shades eq.  plus the PRODUCTS!!  now what i do is research things and make a list and she gets them for me...i always buy her lunch and a product of her choice.....the prices are amazing, let me tell you....oh ya, i too have heard mixed reviews on the ellumen...i went to the sight and probably would have bought it had it not cost 40.00 per tube on e bay and i would have needed 2 plus the developer....i guess if you love it then you are all happy but if you don't like it, it is very very hard to remove....thanks for telling me about the wella...you know the first color i ever put on my hair a year ago last december (i was up in minnesota w/my best friend and we both did it, what a blast) the color was blonde bronze....then they changed the name to tan blonde....i decided to try auburn in wella, it was awful on me...waaaaaay too dark....now when i did the wella the first time i used a 10 volume, and that dakened my hair, well i thought i was stuck with this AWFUL on me anyway, auburn....i decided to try putting the tan blonde on and do you know it lifted and almost mached the swatch!!  and then when i redid roots and refreshed the rest of my hair (i think i left it on 20 minutes or so) it was lifted to the real color....the using of the 20 vol from the 10 vol was night and day....are you bored to tears yet?  i have read about the cans of goldwell...tried to get more info but i know there is alot of mixing involved in goldwell and i cannot get the info....did i tell you that goldwell is what i will be training with at school?  i guess i better call it a night....hectic day....you are doing right with your conditioning schedule.....ok, the last time before you are to color when washing the hair 2 days in advance (this is important) but use a clairifying shampoo then a REAL PROTEIN contitioner....it will help like you would not believe....oh, and the conditioner in the bleach just makes your hair feel so much better and i would think it would have to make it more gentle and you might have to leave it on just a tiny bit longer but i did that with the bleach and i was AMAZED!  oh and i agree w/you on the clairol....it is one of the oldest makers of dye and the harshest....i also heard wella color charm (what i used) was harsh....man, the ammonia smell did about choke me, and i am not kidding...i started coughing and hacking once.....oh well, one must start somewhere....when do you think the due date is on this color change?  and also, whole head or what with the color...talk to you soon...goodnight.

dubai??  oh that sounds fun.  i was real intimitated by the mixing of goldwell.....now i must try it...i will have to get it off the internet as they don't sell it at the professional peels store here...darn.  i have heard good things so must try it....i am not getting all my e mails from hairboutique...i found this response in the bulk mail....i never look at it but i just thought i would and found a few replies!!  i hope your hair turned out beautifully nina....happy vaca.