QuoteReplyTopic: Opinions Please Posted: March 29 2008 at 8:33am
DISCLAIMER: This post is for personal knowledge only. It is in no way intended to be a shot or attack on any individual person or group
I think I'm missing the point here. Correct me if I am wrong though
Why is it that several ladies feel so strongly that the commercial hair
sector shouldn't be capitalized on aside from themselves? Because in all reality, it's no major difference
than any other merchandise that the US imports?
Is it because the information is readily available to us online or
what? I know most of you ladies have visited the many B2B websites
before and noticed there are an abundance of merchandise that one can
purchase direct from the manufacturer/vendor for the low. Shoes,
electronics, phones, bags, clothes, ect. And of course all the
goodies we love... flat irons, weft hair, frontals, closures, lace
wigs, ect ect.
So what is the problem. Why is one upset/ questioning/ hating on/ or in awe of the individuals/companies that choose this as a business? Is it that you feel robbed because you know "lurkers" are making money off of our content & research?. Would it be different if it was a household name brand? Or is it cool because you know the person "board wise"?
I just want to know how you ladies feel regarding this issue. I always like to get others point of views on things.
I don't mind people trying to make a business out of selling lace wig info. It's stupid for anyone to even bother paying for it considering it's online for free, but hey. It's not my money, so *shrugs*
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Why is one upset/ questioning/ hating on/ or in awe of the individuals/companies that choose this as a business? Is it that you feel robbed because you know "lurkers" are making money off of our content & research?. Would it be different if it was a household name brand? Or is it cool because you know the person "board wise"?
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As far as questioning goes, that's a person's God given right. I think however, sometimes when someone makes a comment like "OMG did you see that price?" This is mistaken as "hating on" - it is not.
I'm in business & yes I'm in awe sometimes in some of the things I see. It doesn't make me a hater. I feel as if some vendors truly are raking their customers over the coals. However, every person/buyer should do their research first before making any kind of purchase.
Yes, there are those that have a following already from the board, but there are usually no issues NOT because they have a board following but because they are charging a reasonable fee & including services in the units that they already know people want.
I'll admit I have hated on a few AV, but that's because they purchased my units, put them on their page for TRIPLE the price & it sells and I have seen a member or two post about how great it was, they'll keep buying from them etc. And it makes me feel like but at the end of the day, my pricing is MY choice.....
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i don't think its about hatin on anybody, i certainly don't hate on nobody b/c i know who i am, and personally i got it going on regardless to what other's do or think.. but i think its more to do with people that have come together and helped each other with tips, suggestions, helpful information and we know better when we see someone making a huge profit on simple information..and we've always shared with each other as a community and a family not trying to hinder anyone from knowing the real deal.. i think its great to have your business, and i support many ladies that have a lf business, and i do agree that women that are in this business should up the price on the units they sale b/c they need to make a profit..in most cases its because they are offering their expertise if they have gained the knowledge and know how to cut, color and give the buyer other options that they might not get by going directly to the source and should be compensated as such.. its only when it goes beyond the unreasonable that it amazes me out..
to me we freely give information, i don't see they need in charging an very high fee's for information which doesn't include a lf with that information.. i mean to each his own, they set their own standards.. i just believe that those standards ought to benefical to the buyer as well as the seller and not to take advantage of the buyer.. in the long run you want your customer's to remain customer's, and not only one time buyer's.. i mean come on how many times after i offered the tip of silicon mix that all of a sudden almost every american vendor was selling it on their website and/or ebay.. but i wasn't tripping i knew they read the information from where i posted it.. i put out there, and i'm not mad that they capitalized off a tip that i gave freely to help others protect their investment.. i mean i didn't invent silicon mix but i did take the time for experimentation to discover that it was an excellent product to help with the life span of our units.. but i ain't hatin..
i guess its a personal preference, i could have kept everything i've learned along the way to myself, but chose not too b/c i want to share with others and i know i've helped vendors in their business so i couldn't be hatin b/c i knew when i posted it that they lurk.. that doesn't mean i don't think a lf seller should make a profit, to the contrary... b/c my hat's off to those that do a legit business b/c you deal with a lot, i've seen the threads of those that want a refund b/c their unit fell apart, but yet they failed to tell while blasting vendor that they dyed 5 times, and permed 6 times, and didn't seal the knots...
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b/c my hat's off to those that do a legit business b/c you deal with a lot, i've seen the threads of those that want a refund b/c their unit fell apart, but yet they failed to tell while blasting vendor that they dyed 5 times, and permed 6 times, and didn't seal the knots...
Oh my gosh, I'm sorry to hijak but
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b/c my hat's off to those that do a legit business b/c you deal with a lot, i've seen the threads of those that want a refund b/c their unit fell apart, but yet they failed to tell while blasting vendor that they dyed 5 times, and permed 6 times, and didn't seal the knots...
Oh my gosh, I'm sorry to hijak but
girl i've seen that a thousand times and as a mod on the other board, the vendor's would pm me and tell me the real deal, show me when it was purchased. that's why i've never been one that condoned blasting vendor's b/c you only get one side of the story..had one thread when the person never even purchased any unit from the vendor then posted a terrible thread about them, and never returned to answer questions ask of her, like what did you do?.i assumed they just wanted a free unit..
i could tell you some of the stories.. and i've always told them not to bring your dispute to the board take it to the vendor, they are the only ones that can help you resolve your problem...the member's support is great, but they don't have your money the vendor does, and they read the boards too.. you may have messed up your opportunity to resolve your problem by bringing it to the board first and blasting the vendor not to mention telling all you did to the unit for it to get in that bad of shape to begin with..and if you've tried to resolve it and then brought it to the board, i don't have the right to censor that person's experience, b/c they might have been ripped off, its happened b4 alot..
unfortunately sometimes b/c of the blasting its been resolved but it hurt that person's business, and i take a person's livelyhood seriously.. don't think i hate on vendor's b/c i have many lf vendor's that can attest that i've helped them solved more than a few situation's between them and the customer's than a little bit to keep it off the board.. now member to member purchases is another story, but a lf's vendor that's in business i think that's the only way to handle the situation.. and as for the thread i posted "this amazes me" i'm with that, b/c it does, and i purposely went out of my way NOT to post her personal information or her website b/c i wasn't trying to hurt her business, but i don't agree with over charging for simple information...
Edited by sexibeach - March 29 2008 at 12:48pm
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The whole "hatin" thing wasn't meant to say anyone was, I just tried to use as many terms as possible so you guys could see where I was coming from.
I mainly asked because I see this type of discussion more and more on the boards. And it's not just lf's I'm talking about either. The beauty industry in general. This is my profession as well and I do hawk over some of the prices of beauty products. Especially extension tools now I know how much they actually cost. OMG
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we know what you mean, i know it wasn't taken that way.. altho some might have thought that, but its so not true.. i mean i've been ask why don't i sell lf's by vendors willing to work with me, and by members.. i can't bare the hassle of the complaints or i don't think i'll be good at letting go of the merchandise, i'd want it all for myself.. that's why i say i take my hat off to legit vendors b/c i know what goes on.. just b/c a lot of it never took place on the public board, believe me i've had many pm's from vendors where they were wrongly being accused of something and wanted my help and when i knew they were right i helped them too.. same goes for members that felt they had been wronged as well.. but there have been some that weren't as honest as others.. and the same goes for the members, how many times have we seen scams to sell a lf from member to member.. not all members are like that, b/c i've sold one or two myself..but on both sides of the fence there is good and bad across the board.. its a scandelous business and those that have the guts and courage to sell i say more power to you, and i wish you the best and success..
Personally I think wooow, when I see someone charging an outrageous price, however I don't knock the hustle. Personally, I charge for my services what I believe I am worth, especially if someone else will make a profit from it. Then the value becomes exponential! I have to be able to sleep at night, so I charge what I feel is fair and appropriate for the products and services I offer. I Think I've done a good job finding this happy medium. If someone else chooses to do other wise, well that is just their perspective on it's value. Not to say it's right or wrong, but for the most part, I pretty much just concentrate on my own conscious and right standing with god. I live and I let live. People (consumers) should really research a big investment before they purchase, and if then they feel that it's money well spent, then hey it's their money to spend wisely or foolishly. At the end of the day I personally ask myself was I able to be a blessing to someone, was I fair and did I retain my value as a business woman and individual. As with life it's a balancing act of sorts, being able to make a living while being of great service, being fair yet not selling your self cheap. You will always find those that are in it for the quick buck, while others such as myself are truly passionate about their work and love what they do. Hats off to all of the vendors who operate from this place of intergrity and geniune service!! When you do you will be blessed with longevity, and loyal clientele for years to come.
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Personally I think wooow, when I see someone charging an outrageous price, however I don't knock the hustle. Personally, I charge for my services what I believe I am worth, especially if someone else will make a profit from it. Then the value becomes exponential! I have to be able to sleep at night, so I charge what I feel is fair and appropriate for the products and services I offer. I Think I've done a good job finding this happy medium. If someone else chooses to do other wise, well that is just their perspective on it's value. Not to say it's right or wrong, but for the most part, I pretty much just concentrate on my own conscious and right standing with god. I live and I let live. People (consumers) should really research a big investment before they purchase, and if then they feel that it's money well spent, then hey it's their money to spend wisely or foolishly. At the end of the day I personally ask myself was I able to be a blessing to someone, was I fair and did I retain my value as a business woman and individual. As with life it's a balancing act of sorts, being able to make a living while being of great service, being fair yet not selling your self cheap. You will always find those that are in it for the quick buck, while others such as myself are truly passionate about their work and love what they do. Hats off to all of the vendors who operate from this place of intergrity and geniune service!! When you do you will be blessed with longevity, and loyal clientele for years to come.
well......I agree with the above posters as well. BUT I do have a problem with someone else making a profit of OUR ideas. Think about it, we sit here and come up with tricks how on to wear these units in a flawless way only to have someone make money off of it that does NOT even contibute. That part makes me mad. I had a customer who told me that she bought a list of vendors off of ebay. WTf? I told her to bring it the next tiime for her appointmmet so That I could see it! I'll they are all OUR ideas!
Wow this is an interesting topic.. and i totally aree with posters.
But yeah..we post all this info on the internet, and other folks, vendors, none vendors, come and see that and they take it for them selfs..and some times tweek it a bit. And make huge profit..but what can you do about it??
I have a vendor right now..who wants to work with me, wants me to do tutorials, on how to apply closures, frontals, and a few other things. I am totally down to do it, but this info will be up on the site for ever, and any one will have acess to it, and can learn from it. But i will only get paid one time for this. This is def gona boost this vendors sales, and lurkers will go to the site, watch tutorials , and then by vendor product.. I told vendor my fee. I hope they dont think its outrageous, but its my skills, and technique that will be on photo for every one to see for ever. So i kind of stand on both sides of the fence..i guess..
Interested indeed. I wish I thought of selling info about Lf on e-bay. I thought that the concept was brilliant. Some people don't have the know how on how to search the internet or they wouldn't buy the information. Therefore there is a need for that service and that person provided the service. Who ever is selling or sold the information is a true American and very business minded. This is the American dream to find an opportunity and run with it. A person that sells natural hair products conducts research from other sources (intenet, books, other people etc.) then with that information they create a product. Please tell me if the concept is off. If it wasn't for BHM and forums like it I would never have started my lace front business. I wouldn't have the know how. Don't hate the player hate the game.
These forums are very public and we should expect the information will get into the general population at some point.
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This is mistaken as "hating on" - it is not. 
And it makes me feel like
but at the end of the day, my pricing is MY choice.....
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that's why i say i take my hat off to legit vendors b/c i know what goes on.. just b/c a lot of it never took place on the public board, believe me i've had many pm's from vendors where they were wrongly being accused of something and wanted my help and when i knew they were right i helped them too.. same goes for members that felt they had been wronged as well.. but there have been some that weren't as honest as others.. and the same goes for the members, how many times have we seen scams to sell a lf from member to member.. not all members are like that, b/c i've sold one or two myself..but on both sides of the fence there is good and bad across the board.. its a scandelous business and those that have the guts and courage to sell i say more power to you, and i wish you the best and success.. 
