QuoteReplyTopic: finding a good relaxer Posted: October 07 2008 at 5:10pm
hello, i need help asap. I am black and mexican. I have to use a relaxer cus my hair is curly. i have very difficult hair. i cant blow dry it, ill look like shacka's cracked out sister and even with a relaxer my edges are napified within a two week period. My hair is very dull and breaking off right now. It is long, longest layer is past my bra but very dry and over processed. So im looking for a chemical free relaxer. ive checked out some like african wonders and bodipher and reviews were scary and the hair wasnt straight. i also seen one called phyto but it isnt truly chemical free but works great and less harsh. I use olive oil relaxer now. it straightens it ok but burns. even when i dont wash or scratch my head for some days and use vasoline it still burns quickly so cant leave it on long. So when i wash it out its still a little wavy. i fear if i keep using the harsh chemicals my hair is going to get worse. Can someone please tell me about some better options, ANYTHING
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There's no such thing as a truly natural relaxer. Anything that's going to straighten your hair permanently is going to have chemicals in it. Your best bet would be to get a very light relaxer and then roller set and blow out / flat iron your hair when you want it straight. It's more work but that way your hair will still have some texture in it for when you want to wear it curly.
lol. yeah my moms hair sounds like yours but ive seen her relax and the next day die her hair with no problem. if i did some mess like that id wake up bald. lol. but i under stand how u feel. thanks for the info.
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I'm natural now, but when I used relaxers, I preferred Phytorelaxer to anything else on the market. Expensive but very much worth it.
But yeah, there's no such thing as a "natural" relaxer. Sorry. Whatever you end up using for your hair, in the end you're using chemicals to break the chemical bonds that are already in place on your hair. All you can do is search for a relaxer that is stronger on your hair, or more gentle to your scalp.
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That's what I use to think, but there IS a such thing as a natural relaxer....it just wont straighten hair like Dark & Lovely, though.
To The OP: I recommend Dr. Miracles. Truthfully speaking, I think you should accentuate your curls with good products or you should just buy a Chi straightener and use that instead of a chemical relaxer. Chemical relaxers are bad for your hair, and most likely are the cause of your hair breakage issues. A NATURAL relaxer, however, will only accentuate your curls and make your curls less tangled and more manageable. Don't listen to motowngirl....there is a such thing as a natural relaxer...it just isn't the same TYPE of relaxer as ones found in stores.
Natural relaxers strenghtens hair, accentuate curls, and makes hair more manageable as well as softer.
Chemical relaxers strip the hair of its texture and chemically alters the hair and makes it more susceptible to breakage.
If you MUST get a chemical relaxer though, go for Dr. Miracles. It relaxes hair better than any other relaxer i have ever seen. Use coconut oil or some other type of carrier oil on your hair instead of the junk in beauty supply stores.
That's what I use to think, but there IS a such thing as a natural relaxer....it just wont straighten hair like Dark & Lovely, though.
To The OP: I recommend Dr. Miracles. Truthfully speaking, I think you should accentuate your curls with good products or you should just buy a Chi straightener and use that instead of a chemical relaxer. Chemical relaxers are bad for your hair, and most likely are the cause of your hair breakage issues. A NATURAL relaxer, however, will only accentuate your curls and make your curls less tangled and more manageable. Don't listen to motowngirl....there is a such thing as a natural relaxer...it just isn't the same TYPE of relaxer as ones found in stores.
Natural relaxers strenghtens hair, accentuate curls, and makes hair more manageable as well as softer.
That sounds like a texturizer, not a "natural" relaxer. Relaxers are meant to take curls out of hair, not accentuate them.
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Water can "relax" a curl...that's typically why natural hair stretches when it's wet and is tighter when dry. Aloe vera can "relax" a curl. Anything with moisture can "relax" a curl. This means that it will just be smoother and not be as tight. It's semantics.
I've applied texturizers, chemical relaxers, and natural relaxers to AA hair before...there is definitely a difference. I'm not making an assumption or repeating what someone else told me. I've come to find out a lot of that stuff on motowngirl (which is what promoted the inaccurate "there is no such thing as a natural relaxer" assumption) nappturality, and other "good" natural hair care information sites are non-factual...a lot of which has been refuted. If someone has never seen or heard of a natural relaxer than they are most likely more prone to deny it's existence....but just because you have never heard of one before doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've used one before so I know for a fact that it exists.
Baka's Naturalaxer and Mineral Indulgence's Herbalaxer are all natural relaxers. Mineral Indulgence's has a bottle of product in it that accentuates curls...but the actual Herbalaxer (which is in a powdered form so it doesn't even look like a chemical relaxer) naturally relaxes the curl pattern in hair (stretches it). That's what I meant by accentuating the curl pattern, I was talkign about MI's natural relaxer...not Baka's.
Water can "relax" a curl...that's typically why natural hair stretches when it's wet and is tighter when dry. Aloe vera can "relax" a curl. Anything with moisture can "relax" a curl. This means that it will just be smoother and not be as tight. It's semantics.
I don't think anyone is arguing that moisture lessens frizz and makes hair texture appear more defined, but that's hardly the same thing as a permanent relaxer, which is what the OP is asking for. According to the definition you just gave, gel, mousse, and pomades are all relaxers as well.
I've applied texturizers, chemical relaxers, and natural relaxers to AA hair before...there is definitely a difference.
Not arguing with you because I already know that the different chemicals do different things to your hair. Just saying that the point of a relaxer is to "break" your curls.
I'm not making an assumption or repeating what someone else told me. I've come to find out a lot of that stuff on motowngirl (which is what promoted the inaccurate "there is no such thing as a natural relaxer" assumption) nappturality, and other "good" natural hair care information sites are non-factual...a lot of which has been refuted.
Refuted by whom, though? The stuff I've read about the natural relaxers that you mention isn't positive. Not trying to be argumentative, but the feedback over the long term isn't very good for natural relaxers. People weren't saying that it didn't exist ... more that it left their hair in bad shape.
OP, sorry to hijack your thread.
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"I don't think anyone is arguing that moisture lessens frizz and makes hair texture appear more defined, but that's hardly the same thing as a permanent relaxer, which is what the OP is asking for. According to the definition you just gave, gel, mousse, and pomades are all relaxers as well."
Moisture doesn't just do that though, it completely loosens the curl and allows the hair to lay flatter, my kid's have less shrinkage when their hair is wet, not because it reduces frizz or makes their curls more defined, but because the water allows their curls to lay flatter and hang loosely. It relaxes the curl, by definition it relaxes the curl. Relax simply means to make something less tight and looser, in which case a natural product that allows hair to hang loosely is a....natural relaxer. Natural relaxers aren't permanent. I know what the OP is asking for, I responded by telling her to use Dr. Miracles if she wanted to chemically relax a.k.a permanently straighten the texture of her hair. But if she wanted to just make her curls more manageable and accentuate them (this was in reference to the Herbalaxer) to use a natural relaxer.
Exactly. Anything that "relaxes" a curl pattern so it will be looser is by definition a relaxer, so yes...if the gel you are using, pomade ect makes your hair looser than it was before...than the gel and/or pomade relaxed your hair. Dark N' Lovely and other chemical relaxers don't have a monopoly over the word "relax". Anything that is tight, tensed ect...when loosened is relaxed.
"Just saying that the point of a relaxer is to "break" your curls."
A chemical relaxer breaks curls, a natural relaxer will not as it does not have the chemicals to "break" a curl. It's incapable of doing that. It's just a name...some people call it a detangler, some people call it a hair treatment, other people call it a natural relaxer. All the terms are befitting.
"Refuted by whom, though?"
By those who have made natural relaxers and those who have actually used them personally. Motowngirl's statements are out of ignorance...she definitively states that there is no such thing as a natural relaxer, though I highly doubt she has tried every product on the market. She's an average woman who posts her opinions on hair, so I understand that her statements are only opinions, but it's reckless to post "natural relaxers are not real and are really just chemicals" under her myths page without even researching what she writes before she posts it. She loses credibility when she posts non-factual information (more to the point, inaccurate information) on a "hair myth" page. A lot of the informtion on her site is arguable sometimes inaccurate, and a lot of the time non-factual...however, many people look up to her and blindly follows her advice (I was one of them) as I am sure she is aware of. People who are truly educated on natural hair, know that you can use certain herbs and ingredients to make a natural relaxer, and I just wish they were able to speak the truth so women who want to learn more about AA hair, can actually have a factual site to go by. It's a fallacy for her to think (and say) that something doesn't exist solely because she has never heard of it and/or seen it. She should have tried these products before blindly bashing them or using "feedback" she gathered from ads. That's all I'm saying.
"The stuff I've read about the natural relaxers that you mention isn't positive. Not trying to be argumentative, but the feedback over the long term isn't very good for natural relaxers. People weren't saying that it didn't exist ... more that it left their hair in bad shape."
No, people were saying that it didn't exist. People still say that it doesn't exist. Like any product, not every natural relaxer contains the same ingredients, and honestly there is so much misinformation involved in what a natural relaxer will DO that "feedback", in my opinion, should hardly be considered cannon and most certainly shouldn't be taken as anything more than a review. Motowngirl's "feedback" in regard to natural relaxers is clearly inaccurate. Afrobella's "feedback" in regard to how natural and wonderful Carol's Daughter didn't help me as the product's worsened the condition of my little girl's hair and some of the products have DMDM Hydantoin. The "feedback" I received in regard to Talliah Waajid products being all antural was completely inaccurate as petroleum and other non-no ingredients are in some of her products. Feedback is personal experience and everything from application, hair texture, and even allergies play a major factor. There is very little information about natural relaxers, most of which is not true....I'm assuming that if there was tons of misinformation in regard to chemical relaxers...people wouldn't be giving positive feedback either. I've seen people expect Baka's naturalaxer to completely straighten their hair, and then I have seen people post the ingredients to Baka's natural relaxer and make it themselves...professing how much they love it. Same with henna! I've seen people use henna as a way to detangle their natural hair...despite the fact that henna is more similar to a natural relaxer than a chemical relaxer is. I don't know what feedback you have received and what natural relaxer you are referring to, but there are awful reviews in regard to Kinky Curly, however a lot of people use it as their staple product. Same with Carol's Daughter Hair Butter, Miss Jessie's and every other product line in existence. I'm not trying to start anyting either, but honestly...you're arguing with me about something that I have actually tried and I am assuming based on what you have said here that you have not...tried. . I would never argue or imply that Blended Beauty does not perform a certain way on hair based on reviews or feedback , if I want to know how a product performs I'll try it myself so I can form an informed opinion on the product. If I didn't use a product solely because of what feedback that I saw (assuming I saw ALL feedback on said product)...I wouldn't have anything to use on my kid's hair at all since it's VERY rare that you'll get 100% positive feedback on any product..lol.
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wow...this thread turned into a debate. Interesting. As I said before from what I know people are looking for when they want a relaxer is hair that stays straight all the time without them having to do a lot of work on them. To the best of my knowledge you can't get permanently straight hair if your hair isn't straight without using something that has some form of chems in it. I never saw anybody get straight hair for longer than a couple hours with a gel or heat or whatever.
if there is such a product out there I'd love to hear about it and that it doesn't end up like the Rio and Copa stories (anybody remember those "natural" relaxers?)
Well I don't think it was really a debate, it wasn't intended to be anyway. I'm saying that they do exist and that it's a tad ignorant (in reference to motowngirl) to profess that something doesn't exist without actually knowing for SURE that something doesn't exist, or worse...relying on personal experiences as a way to profess that something doesn't exist. A couple of years ago, I didn't think Carol's Daughter existed, but I'd be a fool to say that the company DIDN'T exist solely because I never heard of it. That's all I'm saying. It's a matter of fact vs. limited personal experiences, and unfortunately I think that a lot of aggresively pro-natural hair sites (while they may be inspirational) can inadvertently give limited options for natural hair...or flat out giving inaccurate information.
As I have stated before as well, a natural relaxer isn't permanent, and doesn't straighten your hair like a chemical relaxer..so we are talking about two entirely different things here.
My position is that if you don't know for SURE that something doesn't exist, don't conclusively state that it DOESN'T exist.
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