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    Posted: April 27 2000 at 2:05am
Long hair on men has never been an acceptable form of appearance. The posts here have proven that.

As a hiring manager, I have never preferred long hair on men. It is an appearance of unkemptness, and the long-haire d men that currently work for my organization have distinct performance issues. They do not dress in a professional manner, and they are noticably and notably less punctual than their shorter haired or female counterparts. The long haired men have been far less punctual, have also spent more time procrastinating (one computer programmer that specified on his resume that he was "adaptable to new technology and changing software environments" took 3 hours [instead of 5 minutes] trying to get his palm pilot to work the way he wanted it.

So, do I directly discriminate against long-haired males?
No.

Have I seen a performance difference in long-haired males
vs. short-haired males?
Yes. Historically, short-haired males have been more
professional and better performers.

Do I think that all long-haired males are slackers?
No.
However, all of the long-haired males in my organization have been less professional in clearly demonstrable ways than short-haired males.

Why doesn't hair length apply to women?
Women have proven that their hair length have nothing to do
with their work ethic or professionalism.

Will I ever hire a man with longer hair?
Yes, if he shows the same commitment to professionalism that
either short-haired men or women show.
That includes:
overall professional dress and attitude
Proper skills
Defined education
Punctuality
Low absenteeism
Strong, proper, and prudent lifestyle and personal decisions
Excellent work ethic
Strong references
Desire for excellence

I have the same requirements that other employers have

you either make them or you don't

-fc
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What do you consider as long hair on a man? Also, do you really think that the length of a guys hair ties directly into performance? Generalizations such as this only propogates this stereotype of guys with long stringy unkept hair as being slouches. Well, I am a Project Manager in a professional environment. My hair is cut in a bob style below my ears which most would consider as long hair on a guy. I am the first to arrive at the office 90% of the time and I am very efficient and detailed at my work. I am educated and dress well everyday. I wash and condition my hair each morning before drying and styling it.
So you are basically saying that women are better workers no matter what length their hair than men. So if a woman had shaved her head bald and interviewed for a job what would you do? I am sure that there are guys with long hair that are not as professional as some short haired guys but I promise you that there are just as many short haired guys that are less professional as well. And yes there are a great number of women who are less professional too. Each person is different and you shouldn't lay out this broad blanket that covers all longer haired guys and portrays them as being bad workers.
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It is wrong that long hair is not an acceptable form of appearance for everyone. Look around the Unix, Linux, Internet, multimedia world. There exist a lot of freaks with long or even very long hair, and they are really good performers. A friend told me that on the CEBIT (an important computer mess) Americans were laughing about the German computer specialists why they all look like bankers. I myself have seen men in the software development area with very long hairs. I think that individuals do what they want.

You say that short-haired males have been more professional and better performers. I would like to know what is the quantitative relation between long and short haired males in your organization?
And what kind of work has to be done, what they earn for their work. If it is a nice work or rather boring. And something about the skills which will be required. If I can not make a social study about your theses I can not say if it is in general true or not.

If I work as a programmer for someone, I think I earn primarily money for the work I do there, not for presenting me in a fashion like manner. In some environments this attitude goes wrong, but today I have no problems to change to an other one.

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Are you saying that all the short haired men who work
for you are better workers than long haired men? That
sounds like a gross generalisation and one that is
obviously not true. I am sure there are many short
haired guys who are just as bad at work as the long
haired ones you complain about. Is this not just a
subconscious prejudice against long haired males
coming through? Would you say that all the short
haired women that work for you are poorer performers
at work than the long haired ones? Of cause not!
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I read your post about five times because I couldn't believe what I read.
That is so stupid and is as stupid as people who would say that women that paint their nail or have longer nails work better than woman who don't paint their nail and have short nail.
Man if you were here in person i would throw a quarter and say phone someone that cares about this stupidity.
Like the brain cells or the ambitions is attached to the lenght of the hair. One of the history books for sure. lol
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Wow, I exepected to get char-broiled on this one, and instead I got some really interesting answers.
The responders here seem passionate, yet civil.

Intresting the responses from men and women on this.

Also intresting how wolfgang referred to these men as freaks, or maybe that is just a euro term?

I have no issue with long haired men as a whole. Or as individuals.

All I am saying is statistically, I have the worst personal performance issues with the disheveled hippie types that seem to chart their overall life around having long hair. Tardiness, absenteeism, proper dress for the activity or environment...
Haven't cracked the mystery as to why.

Bottom line...appearance is part of presentation, presentation is a big part of [our] business.
To paraphrase an advertising slogan:
your business may vary.

thanks all. -fc
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Perseption is all, they say. Unfortunately that is true.
The man who came to work at my bank with long hair
was not a poor worker when his hair was long, nor is
he a better worker now his hair is cut. However, I must
say that, coming as I do from an enviroment where it is
extremely rare to see a man with long hair and, as a
result, I am not used to seeing men with long hair,
everytime I saw him before his hair was cut, every time I
spoke to him, all I saw was 'the hair' not the man. It
was like his hair was slapping me in the face, that his
hair was a barrier between him and me. And I am sure
this was the case with most customers. Whereas,
when I see a female co-worker, or talk to one, with long
hair, I do not notice their hair as I am used to seeing
women with long hair. I am sure the same is true with
customers when they speak to me. Therefore, the
more I think about it, however much I disagree with it, I
can understand why this man I work with was made to
cut his hair and I, as a woman, was not. I think we are
all victims of society and its perseptions. It would be
nice if society could change.
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It is interesting what you say about perseptions. It is
also interesting that in one of these posts the words
'hippy' and 'long hair' have been in the same sentance.
A perseption we have all been guilty of I think!
Conversely, I know many guys who, when they see a
woman with very short hair, start wondering if she is a
lesbian! All because she has short hair! I am sure this
is because, deep down we have been taught to believe
that men should have short hair and not have long hair
while women should have long hair and not short
(although this perseption is changing). I remember
when I was little, my two brothers had buz cuts, which
they hated, they hated having their hair so short, and
dreaded the monthly trip to the barbers for the ritual
shearing. I, on the other hand, had very long hair and
was not allowed by my mother to have it cut, even
though, on at least two occasions, I pleaded with her to
let me have it cut (although now I can't imagine why!). I
am sure this sort of thing taught me what society
expected in terms of hair length between the sexes
and, subconsciously, I still believe what I was taught.
As, I expect, do most people.
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Hello fastcache,

You said, "Long hair on men has never been an acceptable form of appearance. The posts here have proven that."

In centuries and societies past, long hair on men has at times been THE "acceptable" form of hairstyle appearance. Even if you intended "has never been" as "is not presently," your statement is indicative of a subjective societal bias applied to excessive measure. To say that "theft has never been an acceptable form of behavior" has merit because there is a victim who is deprived of their posession, but I am unable to identify a victim who is wronged when a man chooses to wear his hair long.

Additionally, I fail to see a substantive body of evidence contained within the posts related to this subject (two women saying that they think it looks "awful?") to quantify proof of your hypothesis. I hope for the sake of the organization which employs you that you are not responsible for hiring technical or scientific personnel.


You also said, "As a hiring manager, I have never preferred long hair on men. It is an appearance of unkemptness..."

Why is this? I sense that you apply a gender-based double-standard. If a long-haired man keeps his hair (and himself) clean and neat, why would you consider this man to be unkempt?


You also said, "... the long-haired men that currently work for my organization have distinct performance issues. They do not dress in a professional manner, and they are noticably (sic) and notably less punctual than their shorter haired or female counterparts. The long haired men have been far less punctual, have also spent more time procrastinating (one computer programmer that specified on his resume that he was "adaptable to new technology and changing software environments" took 3 hours [instead of 5 minutes] trying to get his palm pilot to work the way he wanted it."

Dress, punctuality, and job-related aptitude and performance are issues related to the hiring and management of the people in question. It sounds as though somebody else here (H.R. or management), hasn't done and/or isn't doing their job particularly well, either.
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YOur concern should be more with the performance of each candidate.
Sure I can easily understand the image that a company has but it is very harmful to go down the road and say that men with long hair are poorer performance. History has proven how harmful it is to label certain groups of people.
Maybe the situation in your company made you feel this way but it is false to put everyone in the same boat.
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With regards to your comments about thinking that long
hair on men looks awful. Yes, I admit, I do think that
long hair on men looks awful. However, as I have said,
I am sure that is because of society's indoctrination of
me. Having said that, I would never tell a man to cut his
hair short. After all, it would be hypercritical of me to
ask a man to cut off his long hair when I have long hair
myself and would never cut it even if I were offered a
King's ransom!
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Not all men with long hairs can be considered as "disheveled hippie types".

From the long haired men I know I can say that they take care with their hair and their appearance and that they do their work well.

I used the word "freak" in a sense to appreciate someone, as an example Albert Einstein was a freak of physics.
Beside that he hated hair cuts and his appearance was outsite the norm.

I don't know why so much people prefer short hair. But today I see also much more long haired men, who take care with their hair, as in earlier times in my life. I think this can be generalized to this century. Even in the years around 1970 I can not remember that a lot of men had long hair that goes more as two inches beside the norm.
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